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I don’t care about scholarships, post season bans, or Roy. I want banners coming down. I want ACC and NCAA championships revoked. Nothing else hurts them except the sting of losing their precious. They can easily weather any other punishment. Losing the laundry would be a total B-slap to their arrogant face.
I don’t believe UNX will publicate anything on the reception of the new NOA, redacted or otherwise, this time around.
Four words CD, Freedom of Information Act, they are a public university, they have no choice but to publish it. They can redact the heck out of it but they have to publish it.
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I don’t care about scholarships, post season bans, or Roy. I want banners coming down. I want ACC and NCAA championships revoked. Nothing else hurts them except the sting of losing their precious. They can easily weather any other punishment. Losing the laundry would be a total B-slap to their arrogant face.
I think best case is some scholarships and post season bans. Nothing is coming down.
@Yogi. I believe they will drag their feet on all FOI request until the point of self-imposing.
Ineligible players by the dozens would indicate vacated championships across multiple sports…and yes, that includes MBB. How many is the question at this point.
Doubters just don’t understand just how critical this is, nor how many BIG eyes are on it, including the United States government. Antitrust, baby.
There’s a term I haven’t heard in all of this BUT it really fits CD. That would be a nasty thing for all those lawyer types over on the hill to try and untangle. Antitrust could be their undoing. That would be REALLY NASTY.
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^There’s a limit to what they can drag out with the public record requests. I’ve given a few folks some advice on this end. FOIA doesn’t apply to UNC. State Public Records Law does. As long as the media and/or public is focused with their requests, it will come out. There’s no doubt the media will acquire the amended notice of allegations, with redactions, and do so very quickly. The tricky part comes from the clues in the NOA. That will lead to new information. If the requests are focused and not overly broad, then they, too, will be filled within a reasonable amount of time. If the media and public cast too big a net in their requests, the process can and will drag out.
@Yogi. I believe they will drag their feet on all FOI request until the point of self-imposing.
Ineligible players by the dozens would indicate vacated championships across multiple sports…and yes, that includes MBB. How many is the question at this point.
Doubters just don’t understand just how critical this is, nor how many BIG eyes are on it, including the United States government. Antitrust, baby.
There may be a few big eyes on it but there are big brooms and big rugs eyeballing it too. I wouldn’t normally count on the government holding them accountable due to their liberal get out of jail free card, except for the only catch is the fact that a preferred grievance group is involved and theoretically being wronged. That may be their undoing.
All you doubters may want to bookmark this entry.
MBB – 3 or 4 year postseason ban Scholly loses cover that same period
WBB – 3 or 4 year postseason ban Scholly loses cover that same period
FB – 2 or 3 year postseason banAlmost every victory covered by the NOA (2002-2010) gets vacated for these three sports as well as other minor sports
@ Whiteshoes. Shoes, I sincerely meant to say State Public Requests. That gosh darned Yogi, messed me up 🙂
Oh, to clarify, the antitrust is on the NCAA, and their “academics mission.” I’m tellin’ ya, we have congressional constituents that are all over this.
(Out of state, of course.)Better than having me butcher it, Ply. The case is in appeals, and the NCAA’s only card is to demonstrate that they are in the business of education. Something that UNX’S did not provide.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article73163537.html#navlink=Lead
Kane’s latest…
It is alleged beginning in the 1989 fall sem through 2011 summer sem, the inst permitted SA in multiple sports to compete while ineligible”
BDevilU wrote: UNC Cheating Era Wins By Coach:
Dean Smith 212
Bill Guthridge 80
Matt Doherty 53
Roy Williams 176
"Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!
Found this on Yahoo; advance PR ahead of the NCAA hammer…are they performing better now that the fake classes have ‘ended’?
http://www.tarheelblog.com/2016/4/20/11476148/unc-posts-perfect-apr-in-18-sports
Be very prepared for many more exclamations as the one pointed out by ’78, up there. For every time you heard Dickie V scream, “That’s the Carolina Way Baby!” , ten fold will be the fluff exaltations coming our way…until…
I just need to know one thing. Will a men’s NCAA championship banner come down? I mean I have dinner at the Barn on the line. My brother doesn’t think a banner will come down. I say otherwise.
OK…
so the new NOA comes out whenever….
Holes has 90 days or whatever to respond…So what happens when they “self-report” some more BS before the deadline for their response to the new NOA??
The merrygoround goes round and round, where it stops, nobody knows…
The story that never ends…
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!OK…
so the new NOA comes out whenever….
Holes has 90 days or whatever to respond…So what happens when they “self-report” some more BS before the deadline for their response to the new NOA??
The merrygoround goes round and round, where it stops, nobody knows…
The story that never ends…
Robert Earl Keene is about to “end the song”…Those of you non-believers can put your towels over your head and kneel…Naysayers, for the sake of impatience, well,…go learn from Axel Rose!
"Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!
Before the UNC investigation began, but not long before it was reported, I dated a young lass who was employed by the UNC Athletics dept. Good lass. Not a UNC homer, which automatically put her on the outside looking in, even as an employee of the department. There were subtle hints of some of what’s surfaced. She was a critic then and now stands justified. This is just my way of giving a little shout out to her.
The NCAA has two pending lawsuits (one of which had a motion to dismiss that was set aside just this past Friday), one of which the Asterisk and the NCAA are co-defendants. As I read the digital tea leaves, the NCAA is extremely unhappy at being named a co-defendant in that lawsuit, and their willingness to provide sound, proper punishment following established protocol will keep the Asterisk’s retained counsel from being able to countersue. The NCAA, as flawed as a Goodwill suit, will protect itself over the interests of UN*. Lastly, for those who think UN* is ‘too-big-to-fail’ because they move the needle in terms of TV ratings … take a read of this link, and tell me if the NCAA will survive if the Blues play in the postseason or not.
Lastly, for those who think UN* is ‘too-big-to-fail’ because they move the needle in terms of TV ratings … take a read of this link, and tell me if the NCAA will survive if the Blues play in the postseason or not.
For all intents/purposes, the NCAA doesn’t make a dime off of UNC. They get their money from the CBS contract over the NCAAT. As far as I know, that contract doesn’t include a clause that reduces the payment if UNC doesn’t play in March.
Lastly, for those who think UN* is ‘too-big-to-fail’ because they move the needle in terms of TV ratings … take a read of this link, and tell me if the NCAA will survive if the Blues play in the postseason or not.
For all intents/purposes, the NCAA doesn’t make a dime off of UNC. They get their money from the CBS contract over the NCAAT. As far as I know, that contract doesn’t include a clause that reduces the payment if UNC doesn’t play in March.
Most are aware of that. With that said there has to be some reason why the NCAA has dragged their collective feet in investigating and eventually punishing them. Whether it is protecting the assets they have or any future cash grabs. The NCAA in the end will always look out for itself. Most programs can bully them (NCAA) around but at some point they will retaliate or dig in for a fight. I see this as one of those times even if they got there reluctantly. The public has finally forced the NCAA to investigate this dumpster fire. UNC’s arrogance over the decades has brought them to the brink of serious penalties. Fellow NCAA programs and fans got tired of the “we do it the right way” mantra. So when the NCAA tried to sneak away in agreement with UNC’s comment, that other students were allowed in those classes as a means to diminish the athletic intent, it went sideways. When accrediting agencies as well as other programs got wind of this it became something it couldn’t ignore. I believe the NCAA didn’t want to look weak in the eyes of these agencies much more than the universities complaining. As others have said this is both a academic scandal and a athletic scandal. Started as a athletic scandal but eventually the inmates decided to bring the whole university into the mess by the admission that other students were enrolled. This could have been prevented. Again arrogance ruled the day. The university can survive and continue to accomplish their goals of educating young minds with a heavy penalty from the NCAA not so much if they had received a heavy penalty from one of the agencies. Some would argue what they received (penalty wise) from they accrediting agency was appropriate. I feel the penalty was sufficient. As much as most of us would have wanted a complete shutdown and “salt the earth” approach it would not have achieved desired results. The NCAA knows there will be a lot of “eyes” on this penalty. The quandary in issuing these penalties will be on several fronts. They have to appease a lot of people whether the NCAA admits it or not. Has to be tough to assuage the vocal media, other universities and most importantly the accrediting agencies. I think the accrediting agencies want the NCAA to take ownership of these issues like they should have from the beginning. The NCAA also risks making people feel sorry for UNC. I know I can’t fathom that feeling either but we all know UNC has powerful allies and will sue if they feel the penalties are too draconian. I am sure others believe this and might said as much but UNC’ is playing the long game. They have been for sometime. Think UNLV and JT. The level of these penalties will determine much longer this game plays out. My hope is the NCAA has some leverage (money, benefits, etc.) to force them to accept this punishment and put this to bed. I don’t have much confidence in that scenario.
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