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In case you couldn’t bear to look at the television after the loss last night, here are the post-game comments posted by the News&Observer. Gottfr
[See the full post at: Gottfried reflects on loss to Terriers]For the record…
… our man Brent Friedlander is reporting that…
Coach Gott told his side of the T story , this way…
“I never swore,” he said. “I never used any foul language. I thought that Trevor got tripped on the play driving to the basket and I told him I thought our guy got tripped. And I got a technical for that.”
Brent also noted…
… (ACC) director of officials John Clougherty (was) watching from courtside…
Veteran observers, such as myself, while not wishing to fuel the tin-foil hat crowd among us, find it inconceivable that the Director did not ‘visit’ with Hess, Hull and Covington in their locker room before the game… and that the topic of “how to “handle” Hess’s return to Raleigh’ was not ‘discussed’…”.
That said, much like when the Coach calls the ‘right play’ from the bench… the question always remains… “Did his kids actually run the ‘called’ play and if so, did they run it correctly…”.
And after a game where only 31 equally distributed fouls were called … the Ref-Haters won’t have to go into withdrawal for lack of something to ‘discuss’ this week…
For those who missed it… Joe Ovies has the video of Lacey’s shot here… no doubt the red light, the clock are in sync and there is no visible space between the ball and Lacey’s fingers…
Watching that video, is somewhat like watching the movie Gettysburg… as it’s difficult not to watch in fanciful hopes of a ‘different ending’ … or worst – thinking – ‘maybe our boys will get it right … this time…’.
In any event… next game is Wednesday night and it should be another ‘good one’.
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!I would like to know why we had a foul to give on the last Wofford possession and, again, inexplicably refused to foul on the floor to run time off, shorten the game/possession for them. Inbounds, count to two, foul the guy with the ball on the floor. How freakin’ hard is that? You’d think we would have learned that lesson after Maryland last year. But, no…
Not a terrible loss – and it happens – but I was more disappointed in the way it went down than anything else.
Up 6 and in control late, and the other team out-executes you down the stretch. Wofford deserves a ton of credit for their game plan and execution; by the same token, the Pack should probably feel a bit salty about being punked late. I don’t mean that in a derogatory tone towards the Pack – it just simply means that the game was about in-hand and was taken away. N.C. State scored two points over the final 3:30 – a very tough one-on-one jumpshot that Lacey nailed in the clutch.
Overall execution has to get better – a definite learning opportunity as Cowdog alluded to in the game thread. Very anxious to see the response on Wednesday evening.
^Matt…
the ball’s out of bounds with 6 seconds to go… if I’m coaching I would have given the foul…
as the play unfolded that was Anya’s foul to take…
but he was stopped at the top of the key… by a large brain fart…
at that point, neither the ball nor the man were within his reach…In that scenario, I’m thinking they “probably” were told to ‘give the foul’ exactly as you describe…
but it just didn’t happen…Our next guy, whoever that was … would have fouled in the act of shooting… and I’m sure they were ALL told NOT to do that.
Of course… if Anya had ‘given the foul’, he would have over done it – some 25 ft from the basket, and HESS would have been ‘forced’ to call a Flagrant and then – ignoring GOTT’s explanation that Anya is just a big goofy kid who had tripped over his own size 16 feet and couldn’t help himself – given GOTT another T during the ensuring protest…
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Ovies is not exactly a homer. I’ll leave it at that. There is a photo circulating about on twitter, it’s a screen shot and the ball is out of his hands and there is still time on the clock. They got the call wrong. Dead wrong. Hess kept woff in the game and killed pack momentum periodically. Make the tin foil hat jokes all you want, as long a state rolls over and takes it, it will continue to happen.
Whatever. That was a typical NCSU f up. You won’t see Duke losing to an NAIA D3 school. I suppose as an alum and lifetime fan I should be used to this.
The quick T on Gott was Hess’ FU to NC State. He just wanted everyone to know that he was in charge. That kind of petulant behavior shouldn’t be tolerated.
I had ESPN3 issues about the time the lead got cut from 9 to four so I have no idea how Wofford actually got back in the game during that stretch.
The offensive ineptness of our bigs was the difference in the game. The 14 second long possessions in the lane for Wofford didn’t help any either. Refs don’t call 3 seconds very much anymore, but when the offender is in control of the ball it really needs to be called.
The fouls weren’t out of whack yesterday, but the quick T was very revealing. If Hess is allowed to call one of our conference games we should just walk away and save ourselves the grief. He still has an axe to grind.
Whatever. That was a typical NCSU f up. You won’t see Duke losing to an NAIA D3 school. I suppose as an alum and lifetime fan I should be used to this.
Eh, Duke lost to Mercer – in Raleigh – in the NCAA Tournament last season. Mercer moved ‘up’ to get into the same league as Wofford this season. Then there’s also Lehigh …
Anyway – be as upset as you like, of course, but the comparison was a bit over the top. Plus the ‘little guys’ have been knocking off the ‘big guys’ at relatively high rate this season (and in the past few seasons). Our season is far from toast, but we’ve got some real work to do now.
The quick T on Gott was Hess’ FU to NC State. He just wanted everyone to know that he was in charge. That kind of petulant behavior shouldn’t be tolerated.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
A few points
1) This was a bad loss. An acc team should not list to Wofford. You can try to justify it all you want.
2) We have had a long history of choking away leads under Gott. Just another example.
3) Hess is not a good ref. He has too much ego. He reminds me of a poster on this site that way.
4) This team had some big flaws. We are really bad at rebounding. We have good individual defenders but our team defense is not so good. Bad at going over screens. Bad at help side. Bad at boxing out. The offense looks horrid.Hmm… I didn’t find out the score and watched it on reply. Had I know what had happened, I’d have skipped that one.
Some thoughts:
– King Karl sent a statement early. Ahh, NC State and Gott, I’ve not been allowed to see you for a while and you’ve cost me some ACC pay checks. FU!!!!
– After that bush league move, the officiating was fine.
– The call at the end looked right to me on replay. The clocks weren’t fully in sync with the video, so it was hard to tell which one was right. I thought more evidence pointed “against” than “for” the shot being good.
– We lost due to two things — turnovers and inside play. Washington had his worst game of the year, and we struggled in the half court.
– I have to hand it to Wofford. They out played and out hustled us and just wanted it more. They were also really clutch.
– If home court is worth 7 points in college basketball, it’s worth 10 in Reynolds. Man I miss playing there. I was at State during the last 4 years of Reynolds and the first year of the ESA. There’s no comparison despite the fact that we had a better team when we were at the ESA. I say this as reference for those who might think they’ve romanticized an older memory, or for youngsters who are comparing these heritage level opponents to playing UNC or Duke at home in the ESA/PNC.
– It’s a @#($)*@#$ shame this Reynolds renovation project doesn’t make it a viable venue for a return for men’s basketball. Someone up high should mandate this be a priority, even if it costs $15M more. Why spend $35M, if it can’t do that. Arena’s seemingly have 30-40 year shelf lives, and we’re on year 15 at the ESA/PNC. That decision will be on us before we know it.
– On that last defensive play, I was hoping for a box and 1 with the 1 on the shooter and Anya guarding the ball in bounds, and turning immediately around to defend under the basket. V would have done something like that.
– As awful as the defensive play was, the offensive play to get the questionable 3 shot was a thing of equal beauty. That was a great look with a lot of court to cover and we had the ball in the best player’s hands. That’s all you can hope for.
– With 2 time outs remaining, I thought we wasted one when we took one of them to see which people Wofford had out there. Come on. They don’t have many options. We were going to need those time outs if they scored.
– I thought it was the right call not to foul. We needed all the time if they scored. Given Karl Hess was out there, I’d have almost guaranteed a controversial foul call had we had an intention to foul.
– RPI wise, that wasn’t a bad loss, but program wise it was. It was a trap game with us looking ahead to Tennessee (who just beat Butler), but it was a game we needed if we’re going to become the Top 25 type program that I want.
– We look young. Unless there’s a huge talent gap like Kentucky has this year, experience seems to be winning in college basketball.
– We’re going to stink this year against any grind them out type of team. We have to get out in transition and get the game up in the high 70s. We’re not going to win many in the 50s because we just don’t produce enough good looks in the half court with Cat running the point.
– Holding leads is going to be a problem this year. We didn’t do it last night, but have threatened to collapse in other games as well.
– Free throw shooting was outstanding though. We made the most of our trips to the line.Mr Bill said: “…It was Anya’s foul to take, but was stopped at the top of the key by a large brain fart.”
I concurr, and was immediately reminded of another poster on this site.
They’ll all get better in time, boys and girls.
Really tough loss to a really experienced team. Good time to lose the “we had the game in hand and gave it away”. If the team is able to learn from it, take something away from it in terms of focus, effort and composure, then it’ll serve us later. Not denying the tough loss in any way, just not panicking about it.
The days of running roughshod over the non-conf schedule are done. For almost everyone.
Did I miss something?
Was this a single loss in early December to a solid ball team (albeit still an upset) or a first round exit in the NCAA tourney to a 16th seed?
Did I miss something?
Was this a single loss in early December to a solid ball team (albeit still an upset) or a first round exit in the NCAA tourney to a 16th seed?
It was against Wofford and we had a late lead = bad loss
For all of the people who are calling Wofford a good team, have you seen them play against someone else?
It seems like every time this happens a bunch of people start calling whatever scrub team that beat us a ‘good’ team. Their justification for calling them good appears to be because they beat us. Circular reasoning at its finest.A few stats about this basketball juggernaut…
On offense they rank
168 on points scored
241 on rebounding
78 in fg %On defense they rank
35 in points scored
25 in rebounding
149 in fg %They play show and struggle to score and stop anyone.
Like I said, bad loss
Their justification for calling them good appears to be because they beat us. Circular reasoning at its finest.
Another explanation could be somebody doesn’t understand the definition of ‘good’ (RPI 52 in this case), confusing it with varying degrees of excellent or great, or somebody is full of narrow minded bitterness just looking for an excuse to express it, or somebody is in desperate need of getting laid.
To those with a little wider view, very few early Dec losses could be legitimately catagorized as ‘bad’, even if the only benefit is to expose weaknesses, focus team effort, or otherwise prepare the team for later season play. This is true even if his majesty says otherwise. That’s the point of early season scheduling, but I guess we could go back to the strategy of HWSNBN.
For all of the people who are calling Wofford a good team, have you seen them play against someone else?
It seems like every time this happens a bunch of people start calling whatever scrub team that beat us a ‘good’ team. Their justification for calling them good appears to be because they beat us. Circular reasoning at its finest.^I can’t really agree with you. Definitely not an encouraging outcome, but, well – Wofford is a pretty good team. Speaking only for myself, I’ve seen them play a couple of times this season (their game vs. Iona was part of the 24-hour marathon on Espn. Was able to work from home and have the game on in the background … they are solid).
Should we lose to them – especially at home? Nah, but it does happen. Belmont beat the Holes in Hole-ville last season – and the Cheats wound up being a pretty solid team nonetheless (I know, not apples-to-apples – still, these things happen). I think it’s unfair to say that it’s circular reasoning. Do most State fans – especially on this site – really come across that way? IMO, most State fans are eager to bash State (for a number of reasons), not prop them up after a loss. You may have a point for a few fans, but to say that the majority is/are using circular logic just b/c a loss happened against a mid-major is unfair – my opinion, of course. Wofford is flat better than a few ACC teams this season. Again, that doesn’t mean we should lose to them at home – but this is not a disastrous loss … now Jacksonville – that would have been a truly horrible loss.
I will put a check in the ‘never seen them play before last night column’ for foos. I assume I can now expect another blistering string of name calling.
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