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As much as State fans will hate to hear it, all signs point to Archie Miller spurning NC State. Just a little while ago, Joe Giglio, a man who is as p
[See the full post at: Face It, Archie’s Not Coming Back To State]Doesn’t really bother me that Archie isn’t coming, and of course his brother is a former assistant to Sendek. I am sure there are some real good coaches out there, and perhaps the time has come for us to finally turn the corner. Dayton is not invincible, and don’t really have any big wins against big name Division I schools. I would rather have the coach from Butler, and though I hear the talk, not sure Keats would be a good fit. Guess we just have to wait and see what happens, and hopefully most will be happy, as you can never please everyone.
Well then @#$% it. Hire the high risk guy and give him only 3 years to make progress. Start churning. No more 10 year crap like we gave Herb then have it cause all the stink it has for the next 15 years. @#$% IT!
If this is true and we don’t have a Marshall, Holtmann or Buzz Williams-surprise type hire lined up, then I hate to say it but the talking heads are right. Really quite astonishing we can’t find better coaches.
its still just gossip, only amplified. we usually start out thinking we’ll get the guy, then we don’t. maybe if we start out with not getting him, it will swing back the other way. pony up donors, and make an offer that cannot be refused.
The fear of Yow is interesting. She’s done in 2 years so is it really her or is the coaching community that’s paranoid of the blues? Find the guy who isn’t, can recruit, coach from the floor and move on.
Trying not to get too emotionally involved in this one way or the other. I would like to see Archie but am open to other possibilities. OK NCSU, wow me with the pick (in a good way).
Well if Archie truly feels this way, then throw everything at Marshall. Press the nuke button!! I would mortgage the dang football program to have Marshall come. Just do it. He said he would listen. Then if we have to pull a rip cord, so be it.
If this is true and we don’t have a Marshall, Holtmann or Buzz Williams-surprise type hire lined up, then I hate to say it but the talking heads are right. Really quite astonishing we can’t find better coaches.
Either NCSU or Yow sucks. Its one or the other.
If we cannot hire a coach as good as the one VT hired then we might as well pack it in.If this is true and we don’t have a Marshall, Holtmann or Buzz Williams-surprise type hire lined up, then I hate to say it but the talking heads are right. Really quite astonishing we can’t find better coaches.
Either NCSU or Yow sucks. Its one or the other.
If we cannot hire a coach as good as the one VT hired then we might as well pack it in.At one point Ol Jed had Belien coming from by Gosh WVA. Something is off for sure.
There was never any reason to keep DY on once MG started his all-too-predictable spiraling. But NC State did the most NC State thing possible, of course.
Not panicking yet, like Cowdog. But Arch had better damned well happen. We are painted into a corner, I fear.
I got bad vibes yesterday when IU came open. May be no crossed wires there, but it didn’t feel good.
David Glenn (I know, I know) reported yesterday that Wade absolutely was interested.
This may be a minority opinion, but if that’s true, interview him TODAY and if everything checks out, offer him the job. Not contingent on waiting for Godot (Archie). It’s not at all clear that Miller would do better here than Wade. And Teh Troll (Goodman) just reported that Wade was at the top of the list for multiple openings.
Well at least the women did us proud today. 62-48 over Auburn, with the final score not even as bad, as it had blossomed to 26, with the the subs playing most of the final period, and lots of turnovers. Go Pack! Await the winner of the Texas game.
If this is true and we don’t have a Marshall, Holtmann or Buzz Williams-surprise type hire lined up, then I hate to say it but the talking heads are right. Really quite astonishing we can’t find better coaches.
Either NCSU or Yow sucks. Its one or the other.
If we cannot hire a coach as good as the one VT hired then we might as well pack it in.Not a good comparison. Buzz to VT was very rare/fortuitous. Things were falling apart at Marquette.
Better comparison: Look at recent hires at Texas and Florida. Both very good jobs. Both went the mid-major/up and comer route.
Absolutely nothing in recent history should have made us think we were gonna get “our guy” this time around. I’m actually starting to believe what the media says about us/me as state fan(s). I say we accept our fate as the red haired step child to the two child prodigies in durham and chapel hell. Do away with bball and throw it all in on football. Now of course in about 8 months I’ll reverse my opinion when a talented Dorean team struggles to get to .500 but damnit until then!!!!
A diatribe: (No. 3241543 by my count)
1) It is quite disappointing that Archie isn’t coming, but I don’t want a coach (alum or not) who isn’t 100% committed to being here long-term. I hate that Sean (and/or Dad) Miller played a role in this, but they are looking out for their brother/son. No reason to fret over that.
2) Take solace in the fact that DY has at least ONE coach who is willing to say yes, AND that coach will be solidified shortly. This is a vast improvement from the last two coaching searches.
3) Reminders of neighbors who have “made their big hires”:
Va Tech went through two years of James Johnson after ten years of Seth Greenberg who still has the last NCAA tourney win for Va Tech before getting Buzz, who lost in the First Round.Wake Forest has Danny Manning now after four years of Jeff Bzdelik (No NCAA appearances) and three years of Dino Gaudio–both of whom were nowhere near the success of Skip Prosser.
Maryland has Mark Turgeon, who has won only three NCAA games in six years there. (Yes, they moved to the BigTENORMORE.)
Clemson is still not as good under Brad Brownell as under Oliver Purnell, and could possibly be ready to make yet another change. Larry Shyatt had his chance as well, and that wasn’t so great.
Georgia Tech stumbled through the 11 years of Paul Hewitt and then paid Brian Gregory to coach five years, before finding Josh Pastner, who appears to have them headed in the right direction.
Virginia has a laundry list of failures (Jones, Gillen, Leitao) until Tony Bennett arrived (and he may be looking to move now if the rumors are true).
Pitt is now in a funk with Kevin Stallings after Jamie Dixon kept the program going as strong as Ben Howland left it, but bolted for TCU.
Miami suffered through Leonard Hamilton, Perry Clark and Frank Haith before Larranaga (who is close to 70).
Florida State has been through 15 years of Leonard Hamilton and have one ACC title to show for it.
Louisville, Syracuse, The Asterisk and Duke are the exceptions, not the rule.
4) Young coaches (unproven by the standards of the league) were exactly what Jim Valvano and Mike Kryzewski were when hired. Both turned out pretty good. But nothing they accomplished at their prior stops were ‘worthy’ (according to even my own unrealistic expectations) of the jobs they were given. Yet they excelled.
5) Tempering expectations is the least fun part of being a fan. It doesn’t mean that we lower them, regardless of who is announced as the next coach. All of us agree that the bar is quite low given our last two seasons. I’m personally looking for much more effort and a team concept that seems engaging. The beauty of V’s teams was their flexibility. He could beat you with star players but he could also make adjustments and win with lesser talent (1987, for example). I’m hoping the next coach has that ability to see the game and get his players to adjust to the situation. That’s what it takes to win consistently in this league.
6) My own take is that Keatts is probably the better recruiter and Wade is probably the better X-and-Os coach based on my viewing of the coaches and their teams in action. Let’s hope whichever coach we get (either of these or someone else) can improve on their weak areas quickly given the new home. From my own perspective, this is much like a choice between ice cream and cake; both are excellent desserts (take it from me, I’m quite rotund physically), but in this case we’ll be saddled with only one. Let’s enjoy it and not complain about what we don’t have.
SaccoV,
Good rant, er post….
If a Coach AIN’T interested (and his agent tells the “special consultant that”, how are we supposed to “win him over”? Ever seen a HS kid fantasize over the hottie in High School who gave him the cold shoulder at every opportunity? I have an NCSU Grad (very SMART) friend that did that all through HS. What happened….he became a recluse after graduation. BUT, guess who did “get to know him” after he came by every afternoon and called repeatedly? Her LITTLE (very cute) SISTER.
Moral of that TRUE story (they married and are in their 70’s and raised a nice brood of kids)…If someone says, be my FRIEND….not my LOVER….it probably ain’t gonna happen.
Ranting and raving and going out on the ledge and threatening to blow up the PNC ain’t gonna make it happen. If Archie is NOT interested….then as long as we REALLY and SERIOUSLY tried….what are we supposed to do? Blackmail (got pictures of Arch and a few Dayton Cheerleaders?) MIGHT do it….but short of that…give me YOUR PLAN TO CONVINCE ARCHIE.
This is gonna play out as it plays out. IF we have TOP TIER P5 folks on the list (and their agents would have had to say….YES….but only AFTER I get beat)….then my bet is that Yow is doing some preliminary talks with the “Available” folks….and then waiting to see how the weekend plays out. She GOT Burned waiting too long the last time.
Remember that Shaka ain’t done DIDDLY at UT. He took Barnes’ Talent and went to the NCAA last year. Lowe did that with Herbie’s talent and almost beat UNC in the ACCT Final game. SO, would we have been better off with Shaka than Gott? I really don’t think so.
MIND GAMES….that folks take what is posted here, save mine of course, with such seriousness….
I’m with SaccoV – I want a coach who wants be here and will bleed red every day. Valvano was one but circumstances got in the way after the Natty. Norm was one but after that Natty circumstances came into play as well. Case really established the program and obviously lived and breathed it – that is not likely today.
All I want is a coach who believes in the Pack as much as I. If a prospect can’t do that then he/she should not be considered further – be that Sean, Archie or anyone else. As a D1 coach you are paid well and my upbringing says you owe your efforts to who pays you.
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