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Gott is finished and Yow is in a self induced corner now. Who do we want to see on the sidelines next year?
Archie?
Hoiberg
Marshall
Mack
KeattsIf Arch would really come back here, I’d be willing to give him a shot.
If not, I’m in for Keatts. He’s an up-and-comer that’s done great things with UNCW. But he’s going to need a different cast of characters if he runs that offense here.
Yes, I know they got clobbered by Bill and Mary over the weekend. With their Dean Smith protege that looks like he should be in a porn movie.
hes only got 1 recruit for next year (Allen, from Garner, who is a wolfpack fan and will probably stay regardless of a coaching change). Not to mention the unavoidable mass exodus he has every year. I would imagine Markell/Kapita/Rowan are all gone as well as DSJ/Abu/Yurt/Anya. You basically have no team at all because no one is going to come play for Gott now that theyve seen what hes done with DSJ! I guess what i am saying is there is no good reason to keep him. Now is the time. It HAS to be this year!
My heart tells me Archie but my brain tells me Keatts. I’d give Hoiberg a chance to but he would leave for his alma mater when given the chance.
On other threads, there are people pushing Marshall from Wichita St. Rumor was that he turned down Yow when she offered Shaka the job first. Don’t know if that rumor is true and even if it is, don’t know Marshall’s opinion of DY today. So I can’t say that he would really be a likely candidate or not.
I’m also not sure he is worth what it would take to get him. But the press conferences would sure be fun (as long as he was winning anyway).
From all the coaching searches we’ve been through over the last decade, it’s obvious to me that the first move is for DY to hire a consultant. (OK, second. She’s got to fire the coach first.) This way coaches’ agents can contact the consultant and both the school and coach can honestly deny any rumors until both sides are serious.
It should work the other way as well…the consultant can contact coaches on the dream list (or their agent) without anything getting out. But I’m not sure how successful that approach is. IF a coach isn’t interested in finding out more about your job when a coaching search starts, what are the chances that he would be interested if DY/consultant contacted him?
All I would like to see is if something is done, carry it out strategically/decisively/quickly. In that process avoid guys just looking for a bump. Our last two searches were cautionary tales.
Our last two searches were cautionary tales.
That’s being kind.
his way coaches’ agents can contact the consultant and both the school and coach can honestly deny any rumors until both sides are serious.
Now, see, you’re talking defense. We don’t do defense, remember?
Needs to be emissary from the chancellor/donors to Team Archie to see what he wants and if he would like to bring his AD with him. Or get his input on other people we might bring in.
I think Marshall likes being King Shit where he is and with the Koch Bros. money. Don’t think he has the right mentality like Calipari did in terms of sticking it to Roy and K.
IIRC, it was wrongly rumored that my 2nd choice (Turgeon, Calipari was my #1) was the “in awe” of the Blues, when it was really Marshall. Turgeon was the guy we thought was really just interviewing to get a raise (obviously wrong when he took the MD job).
Someone mentioned Cronin. im not sold on him, hes a midwest guy and hes been at Cincy a while and hasnt done anything to really knock your socks off. And the ACC is tough, much tougher than the AAC/C-USA or whatever conference they are in now
Ply: I’ve watched Dayton a dozen times over the past 3-4 seasons. I’ve watched them win and I have watched them lose. In every game they have played hard nosed, man to man defense for every possession. If you look at their defensive efficiency, it has been in the top 35 in each of the last 4 or so years (and I think was around 15th this year the last time I checked).
They run a motion offense and mix inside and outside on the attack. The ball will be moved with the pass. They’re not as 3 happy as many mid-majors but they don’t quite have the shooters that some mid-majors do either.
They’ve typically lacked size, and when I have seen them lose it has been on the boards against bigger teams on a day that they also didn’t shoot well (like Syracuse in the tournament last year).
They play smart ball and typically don’t beat themselves. They’re not robots, but college kids so they do make mistakes, but they’re not of the dribble up the court and throw it straight out of bounds variety.
My sense is that Arch gets most out of them most nights and runs a tight ship. They’re not recruiting at an elite level, but are bringing kids through and developing them.
Frankly, it is by watching them that has made me high on Arch. I will admit that I did not think Arch was ready for this job at our last search. He needed to go run a program and prove himself. He’s done so with me. Bring him home.
Frank Martin…success at 2 big schools. Coaches defense. Team will be worse next year, I believe we could get him. We shall see if they have a nice postseason run.
Red: Martin accussed NC State of tampering and then wouldn’t grant a transfer a release to State. I sense some bad blood there. I don’t think he’d ever be in play.
Yeah maybe so. Also he probably has his eye on Miami. I do love his defense, but the offense would possibly be not up to most fans liking. I would use him as a 3rd to 4th string back up plan. I kind of like his Bobby Knight type sideline demeanor. Kind of sick of the coach-friend thing.
I think you have to give Archie first phone call. I don’t think we could get Marshall but I’d say those 2 are both home runs the whole fan base would accept. And I think they’d do a good job.
There would seemingly be too much $$$ in play to land Marshall if he is even available. I’m not convinced he is. Maybe for UNC he is. I’d wonder if he is worth the $$$. If the Koch brothers want him, they will keep him. If not then one also has to ask questions.
Arch has to be the first, second and third calls. One thing that I forgot to mention above is that Arch’s teams win the second half. At one point in time this season, they’d outscored 18/19 opponents in the second half. I haven’t checked to update that stat, but he either has better depth than everyone (which they don’t) or he is in there making actual adjustments.
Now all this requires we actually have a spot open. While it is obvious to me what needs to be done (and what I’d have done after last season), it will seemingly have to continue to be a burning dumpster fire to force action. Even then I wouldn’t put a move at over 50/50 given all the other “factors.”
I think the 50/50 is being optimistic. It is more like 80/20 that we DO NOT have a spot open.
The momentum has to be two fold. FIRST (where is George Soros when we need him?), there must be protests and vigils and votive candle ceremonies bemoaning the fact that we are in a coaching death spiral. It has to have some “recognition”. NOW, on a serious side, writing Bobby Purcell and Dr. Woodson would be a good first step for the “many” that are concerned….especially those that wish to give advice.
The other side has to be a push by the BIG GUY$. They WPC can NOT (and will not) FUND any buyout. I have read the financials and have not found any other later data. I have NO insight as to whether any of the candidates has a “Sweetheart” clause exempting them from their penalty. I will leave it at that.
I can tell you one thing, you WILL get a response from Dr. Woodson….and he will probably CC AD Yow and she will definitely respond to you.
I liken the situation as to a semi-successful Rock Band or group where it is “Mark and the Coaches”. Mark got into a tiff with the lead and very talented drummer. SO, when he left, he decided that a Rock band did NOT need a Drummer. He brought in two Bass Guitars, which sing vocals and make his voice sound better, and now fans are howling and taunting them at every gig. HE thinks that it will be just a matter of time before the fans “catch on” and really dig his new sound (Sans DRUMMER). Look at the many successful rock groups (telling my age here). Bob Seger and Billy Joel (google them if you are too young) have had the same drummer for over 20 years or so. Bob Seger also had a LONG run with a lead guitarist. He sold “Like a Rock” to Chevy and could not perform it. After the contract expired, it took him about 2 years to come up with a NEW lead guitarist that could actually duplicate or make it sound “like he wanted it to…”.
Sort of dumb, I know, but some folks can’t understand WHY a HC has to be multi-faceted and have the Offensive, Defensive and also Recruiting talents. We have one that can sell “himself” (professionally and personally) and has some Offensive prowess. He is woefully short on Defense and his “Complimentary” Defensive Coach, Bobby Lutz….which was specifically hired for that purpose, is no longer on staff.
That to me is as simple as it gets.
If you can’t recruit some “role” players with good defensive skills and you can’t “teach” your scout squad how to play an opponent’s defense, then you are doomed for failure….despite all the offensive big guns that you have. Look at the stats….Duke was having an off night….and not hitting the 15+ uncontested shots we gave them. Cuse went through a drought and then came back.
I WOULD point out that Herbie was the same. I sat in Charlotte at an ACC Tourney circa 1999 or 2000 and watched Duke, whom we had on the ropes, totally destroy us and win (JJ Reddick set a new ACC Tourney Record…I THINK). Herbie had NO answer. We had NOT practiced “Junk Defenses” and he never saw it coming.
Shades of Herbie again…..
Write your emails…..
Why do we assume Maverick kapita and Markell are gone? Kapita I can see, Maverick I don’t see and Markell is the starter next year whoever the coach is. Let’s just hope it’s not Gott.
The momentum has to be two fold. FIRST (where is George Soros when we need him?), there must be protests and vigils and votive candle ceremonies bemoaning the fact that we are in a coaching death spiral. It has to have some “recognition”. NOW, on a serious side, writing Bobby Purcell and Dr. Woodson would be a good first step for the “many” that are concerned….especially those that wish to give advice.
Hey, our students can burn and break things and cause a ruckus too. And they don’t even need a reason. (I was there, but not a participant)
I WOULD point out that Herbie was the same. I sat in Charlotte at an ACC Tourney circa 1999 or 2000 and watched Duke, whom we had on the ropes, totally destroy us and win (JJ Reddick set a new ACC Tourney Record…I THINK). Herbie had NO answer. We had NOT practiced “Junk Defenses” and he never saw it coming.
That was in damn Greensboro and Josh Powell was killing it.
McCallum
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