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03/18/2014 at 12:25 PM #47449Pack85EEParticipant
Comments and Slight Disagreements
JonhG – your list of differences
Confidence – it’s different for these two teams in an odd way.
Last year’s team seemed be overconfident in a “We deserve to be good and don’t need to work hard” way. EDIT – (Maybe that was just CJ) This years team I think has lacked confident. But they have been willing to work hard and confidence seems to be growing. We just need our guards to be confident and hit shots.BJD – always love your comments but is KH’s defense that much better than Vandy’s? They both are big and slow but both can block and affect shooters. I don’t think Vandy is out of position any more than KH. And Vandy can get back down court better. I would move Vandy up one and KH down one. Just my view.
Overall, I think our defense is improving. The two mental let down games (Clemson and Miami) excluded, I think we are showing a competitive defense that can take us though a couple of games. Aside from help for Warren, I think it’s a good defensive performance that will win us the games. I don’t mean an awesome defense, just a good performance to compliment our offense and give us some fast break points and stops at key times.
Overly optimistic again. GO PACK!
03/18/2014 at 12:37 PM #47453WulfpackParticipantKH’s defense, especially footwork, needs a lot of work. Vandy is the better guy right now, if he can stay on the floor. KH also ain’t rebounding, either. He has a long way to go.
03/18/2014 at 12:42 PM #474541.21 JigawattsKeymasterGood point, Bill. The “any 1 or 2 of EIGHT” factor IS quite difficult to prepare/gameplan for.
The problem for State is you never know if there will even be “any 1 or 2 of EIGHT”.
03/18/2014 at 12:43 PM #47455BJD95KeymasterKH stays home more, and is the better overall shot blocker. Plus he LOVES being physical. But yeah, he is probably more uneven than the tier in which I listed him.
I shit-canned the Luckie thread and will do so to any others that go off the rails. No bad juju on NCAAT tourney gameday.
My Stalin powers are vast. Da.
03/18/2014 at 12:45 PM #47456BJD95KeymasterJigs – you’re totally right. Makes us hard to gamplan for our staff, too. LOL
03/18/2014 at 12:49 PM #47459packof81ParticipantGo Pack!
03/18/2014 at 1:00 PM #47461Pack85EEParticipantGood call on the No bad Juju move. Almost time to go back down into the dark basement for bud light.
03/18/2014 at 1:01 PM #47462MISTA WOLFParticipantI am happy to be a part of the big dance, to get to dance with the belle of the ball. However I am not happy to just have made it. I expect to win and all of us should have that attitude(which I believe we do.) For how long we get to dance depends on the young men and the coaching staff. Our defense will be a challenge especially when we go to zone. I think the zone will limit Christon driving the lane, but when he does penetrate, he will be looking for Martin on the wing. Those 2 guys alone shoot right at 40% from 3. We have to rotate in our zone or they will have many chances to shoot the long ball. I personally would like to see TJ play up top in the zone rather than the back line simply for his defensive prowess. Cat will already be up top, so my idea is why not put your 2 best defenders up top to stop the drive? When we go man hopefully Gott will have Cat sag Christon to stop the penetration of the lane. I’m proud of the boys. I hope they see all the negative things people are saying about them being in the tournament and let it be fuel to the fire. Don’t just be happy to be there. Go out and play like you’ll die tomorrow.
03/18/2014 at 1:34 PM #47468Whiteshoes67ParticipantGottfried will always base PT on the player’s offensive ability and the fit in the high post. Defense and rebounding are afterthoughts. Come tourney time, we’ll always play on the margins. Because we depend on shooting a high percentage and scoring it efficiently, we can’t have off nights on O because we don’t defend and rebound well consistently. When you get to 64, you face pretty balanced teams, as a rule. Xavier isn’t knock-your-socks off great on either end, but they’re solid on both. This one is a coin flip. Could win, could lose, could be ugly, could be a blowout.
03/18/2014 at 1:37 PM #47469pakfanistanParticipantGottfried will always base PT on the player’s offensive ability and the fit in the high post. Defense and rebounding are afterthoughts. Come tourney time, we’ll always play on the margins. Because we depend on shooting a high percentage and scoring it efficiently, we can’t have off nights on O because we don’t defend and rebound well consistently. When you get to 64, you face pretty balanced teams, as a rule. Xavier isn’t knock-your-socks off great on either end, but they’re solid on both. This one is a coin flip. Could win, could lose, could be ugly, could be a blowout.
I haven’t seen them play, but the rumor is they’re sloppy with the ball. If that’s true, with TJ’s tendency to jump passing lanes and pick off passes, that might swing things slightly in our favor.
03/18/2014 at 1:45 PM #47470Whiteshoes67Participant^Paki…that’s a wash. We may get a few easy buckets in transition but we’ll give up Offensive boards and easy looks. We are who we are.
03/18/2014 at 2:10 PM #4747544rulesParticipantSo am I the only one who really wants to see the O run more through the Vandwagon? He’s the second best passer on the team, and when it goes inside he is very happy to look for a cutter or to pass it back out. He’s not bad with that little hook shot, either.
Of course, it would help if somebody other than TJ would cut into the lane …Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. Mao Zedong
03/18/2014 at 2:15 PM #47478maverick_ncsuParticipant^ I have been thinking that as well. Vandy is a pretty good passer and at the ACCT, his shot looked pretty good. Also really liked what we did in the first game of the ACCT that had Turner not simply shooting 3s. He was moving, head-faking, taking a couple of steps in and to the side and shooting mid-range jumpers. Would have like to see him take a couple of those in the Duke game just to see if that could get his shot going again.
03/18/2014 at 2:19 PM #47480Pack85EEParticipantYea, sometimes I feel like Vandy should look for his shot more. He passes out when he has great position underneath. But that may be mostly from coaches instruction. If he shot a lot more, would he miss a lot more. As it is, he mainly takes gimmies.
03/18/2014 at 2:43 PM #47486bill.onthebeachParticipantThe problem for State is you never know if there will even be “any 1 or 2 of EIGHT”.
Yep… they’re still young kids… but that’s the other coaches headache…more than ours…
Any math wizard can figure the odds are in our favor of some one showing up…
especially if the last four or five games are considered as a group…Tonight… I’m betting on the BIGS…
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!03/18/2014 at 3:28 PM #47498WufpackerParticipantJust win, Baby….
03/18/2014 at 4:01 PM #47507wolf2003Participant<2. NC State vs. the world. Every year there’s one team everyone agrees had no business being in the tournament.
This year it’s NC State.
Indeed, NC State was on three of 168 simulations of the NCAA tournament field. NC State went in and broke everyone’s matrices.
Related: Let’s go NC State! Beat Xavier and then beat Saint Louis and prove everybody wrong. The world needs more T.J. Warren.
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This insert comes from http://www.Grantland.comI guess other people want to see other more of the Wolfpack and TJ.
03/18/2014 at 4:28 PM #47511redisgoodParticipantI’m thinking Xavier will not be able to contain TJ (big revelation there), and I also think Dez and Cat will be up to the defensive task. Wolfpack by 8.
As an aside, I’m an infrequent poster, but a regular reader. I gotta say, BJD has by far the most credibility when it comes to breaking down a game. His assessments are regularly spot on, and I look forward to reading them.
03/18/2014 at 4:30 PM #47512JohnGalt78Participant^Mav, I recall (ACCT) Vandy being forced to shoot several times (with fairly good results) when dealt the hot potato at 2.5 seconds left on the shot clock. He had no choice. Whatever….it seemed to work.
Damn, here I go again….hope creeping in. I really feel good about tonight, damnit! I can’t quit you, Wolfpack.
Any chance there will be ACC official(s) calling this game????
03/18/2014 at 4:49 PM #47516Pack85EEParticipantWait, what color is Xavier?
03/18/2014 at 4:49 PM #47517maverick_ncsuParticipantI get what you mean about the hot potato, but I really liked seeing that quick decision-making and passing. I was watching a couple of the ACCT games with my father-in-law who hasn’t watched a bunch of State games this year. He kept asking me why we didn’t move and pass that quickly on offense all of the time because we seem to be getting better looks out of it.
I realize you can’t take end-of-shot-clock offense too far, it did seem like it opened the door for cutters and shooters because we didn’t give the defense time to catch their guy if he got free. I don’t think the only type of up-tempo offense has to come from fast breaks. With a heady PG and a couple of slashers on the floor at the same time (Warren, Dez, Cat), I think we could have done this a bit more this year, even as a change of pace. It feels like over half of our possessions are going down to the 12 to 10 secs left on the shot clock. This is good clock management some times, but it’s not too bad to change it up some either to catch the D napping.
03/18/2014 at 4:56 PM #475201.21 JigawattsKeymasterYep… they’re still young kids… but that’s the other coaches headache…more than ours…
Any math wizard can figure the odds are in our favor of some one showing up…
especially if the last four or five games are considered as a group…Tonight… I’m betting on the BIGS…
Actually Bill it’s State’s problem. While the opposing coaches don’t know which of the other 8 will step up and contribute it’s painfully obvious that if you completely concentrate on slowing down Warren, read: not stop him just slow him down, that the rest of the team is so inconsistent you’ll increase your chances of beating State. Here’s a look at the contribution of the team in regards to points, more specifically those who score double digits. I didn’t have time to get into the weeds of percentage for everyone.
The first chart is just for games against BCS level competition and is pretty self explanatory. Obviously Warren is the workhorse but it’s also showing who’s been helping Warren this year and who’s been doing it over the last month.
The second chart is State’s record when breaking down the percentage of points Warren scored in the game and the team’s record. FYI, the 2 loses for +40% are home vs UNC and at Syracuse. Heck the Syracuse game had 6 players only contribute 9% of the points. I found the 30-30% record (3-7) interesting because Warren is producing but not at such a high level to overcome the lack of support from his teammates.
Even when 3 players score in double digits State still loses, something about lack of defense and the rest of the team not contributing at all.
This is a very quick and high look at point contribution so I’m sure I’ve overlooked stuff that could be of more use. I realize there is so much more to contributing to a victory besides scoring double digits but I had to start somewhere and it appears that State is better off setting up TJ to score then relying on the rest when they don’t have a gimmie shot.
03/18/2014 at 5:06 PM #47522packsageParticipantThe point spread on this game has gone from Xavier minus 1.5 to Xavier minus 3.5. EVERYONE is taking Xavier. No respect from the smart money. What do they know that we don’t?
My nervousness level is rising…
03/18/2014 at 5:07 PM #47523Alpha WolfKeymasterThis applies tonight:
“When a defining moment comes along, you define the moment… or the moment defines you.” —Roy ‘Tin Cup’ McAvoy
03/18/2014 at 5:11 PM #47524redisgoodParticipantThis applies tonight:
“When a defining moment comes along, you define the moment… or the moment defines you.” —Roy ‘Tin Cup’ McAvoy
I hope that wasn’t right before he put 10 balls in the water.
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