Statistically Speaking – SDPI Finishes

There is a lot of momentum amongst Wolfpackers’ current interest in football…so, we are going to ride this train a little more.

On the heels of VaWolf’s statistical entry, I thought that the community would be very interested in this recent find. Good stuff.

It would be particularly interesting to analyze the performance of the different schools more directly against each other.

Remember, its performance, not achievement, so years with the highest win totals may not actually be a certain team’s best season. And its also only conference play, so any non-conference action, championship games, and bowl game are excluded

^So, State’s analysis would generally improve based on our generally solid OOC & bowl performance, even in the MOC years.

Included in the NC State commentary is this jewel:

Chuck Amato without Phillip Rivers is like Wham! without George Michael. NC State’s average SDPI with Amato and Rivers: 0.385. NC State’s average SDPI with Amato and without Rivers: -0.83.

But, I don’t quite understand the author’s comments regarding the Mike O’Cain situation. Maybe the comments would make some sense if Mike O’Cain only coached those two years included in the analysis…but those two years were year six and seven that were coming not too far behind two consecutive EMBARASSING 3-8 seasons and included losing records to both UNC and ECU. The author should have just left that one alone.

Since Tom O’Brien now coaches NC State…it is worth checking out the Boston College section.

Tom O’Brien is responsible for all of these seasons having been the head man at BC since 1997. If O’Brien has been anything, its steady. He’s never had a bad season nor a tremendous season. Since 2001, the Eagles have been above average every year save 2003, peaking in their last season in the watered-down Big East (2004) and again in O’Brien’s final season this past year.

Best SDPI Finish: 3rd Big East (2001 and 2004), 4th ACC (2006)

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24 Responses to Statistically Speaking – SDPI Finishes

  1. BJD95 04/17/2007 at 9:01 AM #

    The numbers tell it pretty well, don’t they?

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 04/17/2007 at 9:06 AM #

    All I know is that our offense in recent years has looked anemic. I watch QBs from smaller colleges like Tulane, Ohio, etc. etc. on ESPN during the week and though these teams have little or no defense — they have a lot of explosive offense with a good passing game. Then I’d go to CF and watch our team and it’s 3rd and 8 and we’d (constantly) throw the ball to the guy who has 6-7 yards to go to get a first down while there are some other guys in first down territory.

    I mean it was like a re-run every week, boring, and a no-confidence offense. It was really painful to me watch our offensive show this past year and the year before. Amid the few lucky breaks, spotting teams the first 7 to 14 points, crushing penalties, often playing catch up, and then not showing up — I got to this point of frustration that turned into a malaise.

    I see improvement with Dana Bible and am optimistic. TOB will bring the intangible to the team. It can’t get worse.

  3. Buddygreen 04/17/2007 at 10:51 AM #

    I think the Rivers situation has showed us several things. One that MOC had an eye for quaterback talent. Two that players can develop into something special when talent + desire + good coaching is mixed. Rivers + Norm Chow’s tutoring laid the ground work for his success. Three how important the quaterback position has become in college football. Used to quaterback could cost you a game, he can now cost you a season.

  4. choppack1 04/17/2007 at 11:22 AM #

    I haven’t had a chance to drill down on this, but if I’m reading it correctly, it looks like this is the points scored, vs. the average points scored, the points given up vs. the avg points given up…That being the case, the consistency of a Wake Forest or a BC wouldn’t show up on this list since both of these teams rarely have the talent differential to totally shut someone down or run up the score on them. I do think this will reveal your most talented teams – unless like the Wolfpack – they’ve found a way to always play to the level of your competition.

  5. bTHEredterror 04/17/2007 at 12:00 PM #

    ^I think it is the difference between points scored/allowed for any team versus the average for the conference. It lets you know on which side of the average you fall. I think the numbers bear out what we all knew. State lost a lot of close games due to offensive deficiencies.

  6. choppack1 04/17/2007 at 12:15 PM #

    Interesting that BC’s graph is a pretty obvious trend up. FSU’s OTOH…

  7. noah 04/17/2007 at 12:37 PM #

    During Rivers’ years in Raleigh, how many future NFL off. linemen did we have?

    Scott Kooistra, Chris Colmer, Jarvis Borum and Sean Locklear…anymore?

    Reggie Poole (was that his name? The JUCO during Rivers first year?) only played one year here, but I think he was on the Titans practice squad for a year.

    We also had very solid contributors in Shane Riggs and a terrific fullback/H-back whose name I’m totally blanking on..but he played with the Vikings for a year or two. The transfer from WVU…

    Since Rivers left, we’ve had decent linemen in: Leroy Harris

    Have we had any all-acc linemen since?

    Go back to the end of the Sheridan era and the start of the O’Cain years…our best teams were the years when we had guys like George Hegamin and the Redmond Brothers and Steve Keim…

  8. Mr O 04/17/2007 at 1:01 PM #

    Noah: The transfer TE that might have hung around a few years with the Detroit Lions. He was a huge part of the offensive line during the Gator Bowl year.

  9. choppack1 04/17/2007 at 1:15 PM #

    Borum didn’t play w/ Rivers…I think he was before then.

    Noah – the h-back, TE you mentioned is Sean Burton. More than anyone person, he changed the attitude of entire OL for 2003. He was relentless. He came up w/ the famous comment:
    Carolina made fun of our schedule – they got worked.
    Clemson made fun of our schedule – they got worked.

    He also said a Notre Dame player turned to him and said, “What’s up w/ you guys, you are playing like you hate us?”

    In 2004, we were actually set to have a good OL, but injuries decimated us.
    I think the starting OL in 2003 was Locklear, Riggs, Colmer, Koostra – and who Paulsen or Harris?? In 2004, I think we lost Harris, Paulsen, Colmer and others to injury at one time or another.

  10. Buddygreen 04/17/2007 at 2:53 PM #

    TOB said, “you don’t go to Florida to find OL!” For some reason we didn’t recruit and develop OL in recent years as well as we should have. Part of that was the turnover in OC. Recuits just didn’t know who they were coming to play for. Amato was a defensive guy and he recruited great for that side of the ball and we had some great defenses. Great to see TOB working NC and nationally for lineman. Been some great Big NC boys on the line blocking in the past for the Wolfpack. Like to see us get back to that tradition. I had forgotten about the Redman brothers. Great guys! Talk about two guys that could put away some pork chops!

  11. noah 04/17/2007 at 3:05 PM #

    Jarvis Borum was a senior when Rivers was a frosh, I believe.

    I don’t think that turnover at OC had anything to do with our ability to successfully recruit off. linemen. We just kept coming in second for them. But that’s just my opinion. Obviously, I can’t prove it.

    BTW, I also wanted to point out that the City of Raleigh is currently revising it’s policy with the NCHSSAA. Carter-Finley will now host all four classifications of championship games in high school football.

    Kenan was the host for a long time. Raleigh recently got two games…they’re moving all four games to Raleigh for now. That will last through 2010 under the current agreement.

  12. branjawn 04/17/2007 at 3:12 PM #

    So the obvious question is, what impact does hosting the NCHSSAA championships have on recruiting. My guess would be only positive. Did it help UNC? To combine the two, will it hurt UNC. I don’t know if there is any way to quantify an answer, if there is I’m sure Noah has it. haha

  13. choppack1 04/17/2007 at 3:17 PM #

    Noah – You’re right Borum’s senior year was 2000.

  14. noah 04/17/2007 at 3:32 PM #

    It certainly doesn’t hurt. I know that State fans did their share of griping when the games were in Chapel Hill.

    I, for one, griped simply because getting in and out of Kenan is so horrendously awful that it made going to the game a total drag. And, I think that traffic and parking had a lot to do with why they are moving the games mid-contract. Aren’t they currently doing some huge traffic project in and around Chapel Hill?

    If you have really nice facilities, basically, I think you want people in the building under ANY circumstances. It’s kinda like driving the really nice car and hoping to impress hot girls.

    Hmm? Oh yeah, this IS my Porsche.

    The games basically serve as an unofficial visit. You get some of the top kids to come in and see Carter-Finley at its best. You get them in your locker rooms and walking around the facilities and seeing the weight rooms.

    Jim Valvano said that the most that a coach could do (recruiting-wise) was to get the kids to visit. After that, you’ve done everything you could do, said everything you could say…it’s up to them. But you have to get them to visit.

    This isn’t QUITE as good. But it’s the next best thing.

  15. branjawn 04/17/2007 at 3:58 PM #

    Well, I only found 2 examples so far of top level recruits who played in a champ game and where they went. This proves nothing, just thought I’d share. 2005: Mohamed Massaquoi (Independence HS) to Georgia. 2006: Brandon Spikes (Shelby HS) to Florida.

  16. branjawn 04/17/2007 at 4:06 PM #

    Hmm, I haven’t looked, but didn’t Chris Leak win it all in HS? So there’s another one to Florida.

  17. noah 04/17/2007 at 4:08 PM #

    Chris and CJ Leak both won state titles.

    Michael Waddell won a state title. As did TA McLendon, and all of those Richmond County kids…Mike Thomas, Oscar Sturgis, Eric Thomas, Eric Davis…

  18. kool k 04/17/2007 at 4:50 PM #

    IT’S DIVISON 1 FOOTBALL!!!

  19. class of 74 04/17/2007 at 5:04 PM #

    IMHO, even River’s final season was a huge disappointment not so much for Phillip but certainly the team. That’s when I first began to question Chuck as a HC and each season seemed to just get worse inspite of a decent amount of talent. Offensively we have been a basket case for the past three seasons. In the end Chuck was his own worst enemy but I think we can turn that page and look forward to results like those of Holtz, Rein and Sheridan or better with TOB.

  20. VaWolf82 04/17/2007 at 5:20 PM #

    IMHO, even River’s final season was a huge disappointment not so much for Phillip but certainly the team.

    I have always thought that many were disappointed during PR’s senior year because of unrealistic expectations. State lost either 6 or 7 of the DL on the two-deep rotation after the 2002 season. “Expecting” to maintain the same defense with such losses on the DL always seemed unrealistic to me.

    However, I’ve always wondered if different schemes on offense and defense wouldn’t have improved the 2003 season. In the end it doesn’t matter…..the last three seasons have been disappointing by any measure.

  21. BoKnowsNCS71 04/18/2007 at 8:31 AM #

    I was disappointed in his Junior year. As the team went mano a mano with Ohio State on our first play (OSU kick the ball to us) the football bounces off the helmet of the receiver and we give the ball to OSU and then spot them 7 points. It was a great Phillip Rivers comeback at the end — only to have some questionable attempts for PR to run the ball in. Why?

    And then there was UNC — T.A. and the failed runs at the end to win. The hand writing was on the wall. The Sr. year was just more of the same.

  22. VaWolf82 04/18/2007 at 9:25 AM #

    You are mixing up the seasons.

    State played OSU in PR’s senior year and the year after he left.
    The TA fumble against UNC was also after PR left.

  23. BoKnowsNCS71 04/18/2007 at 9:52 AM #

    Age does that to ya.

  24. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 7:25 PM #

    Bo, don’t ya hate these whippersnappers. I knew exactly what you were saying, uh, thinking, anyway.

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