Media Says: Face It, Archie’s Not Coming Back To State

As much as State fans will hate to hear it, all signs point to Archie Miller spurning NC State.

Just a little while ago, Joe Giglio, a man who is as plugged in to NC State athletics as any outsider can be, posted this tweet:

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Immediately afterwards, Giglio was bombarded with questions and theories.  Sean Miller thinks he can get the UNC job when Roy Williams retires.  Archie doesn’t want to work for Debbie Yow.  Archie wants a B1G job, possibly Indiana.  You name it, it’s probably out there.  But no matter the reason(s), there’s no reasonable reason to believe that Archie Miller will be introduced as NC State’s next head coach in basketball any time soon.  And that makes Miller pretty much this year’s version of Rick Barnes.

Realistically, State will end up doing pretty much what it has always done, that is, hire a new head coach who has shown potential at a lower level of competition.  That list is long, and has some distinguished and not-so-distinguished members:

Everett Case got his first college head coaching job at NC State after serving in various basketball leadership roles for the US Navy during World War II and as a successful high school head coach before that.

Press Maravich had been the head coach at Clemson for six years, compiling a 55–96 record before coming to Raleigh to be an assistant coach under Case.  He led the Wolfpack for two seasons before being lured to LSU.

Norm Sloan was 85–63 at Florida after becoming their first full-time head coach before returning to his alma mater.

Jim Valvano was Iona’s head coach before he came to Raleigh.

Les Robinson was at East Tennessee State prior to coming to Raleigh for the thankless task of salvaging what was left of NC State hoops after the university’s leadership decided to all but kill the program.

Then came people you likely need no introduction to: Herb Sendek from Miami of Ohio, Sidney Lowe from an assistant coaching job at the Detroit Pistons and Mark Gottfried from ESPN.

There’s an obvious pattern here, and it is one that will surely play itself out over the next few days or even weeks: NC State will hire a head coach from a much smaller and generally lower profile program, and hope that it works out.  Case, Sloan and Valvano were no sure thing when they stepped onto NC State’s sidelines.  Neither were Sendek, Lowe or Gottfried.  And the next Wolfpack coach will also be a guy who is no guarantee.  And that’s probably the only guarantee that Wolfpack fans will get.

 

 

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  • #121047
    Cardiac-95
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    ^that assumes we hire a competent AD to follow Yow… HARDLY a given…

    #121050
    PackFan
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    Can someone explain to me why so many people think Miller was the ultimate answer (that’s an honest question)? I’m not saying he wouldn’t have been a “good” coach, but his performance at Dayton doesn’t strike me as stellar. Outside of an elite 8 run (after a 10-6 conference record that year), I’m not sure he proved much.

    Obviously Keatts hasn’t proven much either…I just get the feeling people think Miller is a “10” but Keatts is a “1”. Time will tell…

    #121051
    TheAliasTroll
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    BJD for AD. Seriously though…

    #121052
    Cardiac-95
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    Yes!… 1000x!!

    #121066
    Khan
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    This is extremely simple.

    Either we are:

    A) Utterly incompetent, or

    B) Uninterested in relevancy

    #121074
    StateRed44
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    hes gonna do great

    #121081
    pakfanistan
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    hes gonna do great

    I think so too.

    #121083
    JeremyH
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    Is this real? Feels like a nightmare.

    #121084
    eas
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    My only thing to say is simple. You have a 3-4 million dollar salary to offer with top notch facilities/fan support and you hire the HC from UNCW? I thought we were all in for hiring a DEFENSE oriented coach that could make a splash from day one! He may do well but why on Earth do we keep going like this? Why do we always have to be the University who always hires a risky coach? Why, Why, Why….. Because we haven’t had balls in many years.

    I hope he does well but when you fire Gott before the season is out and then hire the first Yahoo with a little success at a lower level it still makes you look stupid. Then again we are great at looking stupid.

    #121085
    eas
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    Please tell me this is a joke and I’m reading it wrong. I can’t believe this is our best option. If so, then maybe the press is correct in saying this is a $hitty job to take.

    #121086
    In The Weeds
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    Pffft…
    Too many experts and constant complainers. He was not necessarily my first choice but he isn’t the floor. I’m all in and hope he’s successful. Screw the Millers. Everyone get on board or go elsewhere.

    #121087
    JeremyH
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    What was the Archie red flag?

    #121088
    eas
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    No expert here and I WILL support him. Just a bland hire in the sea of potential coaches. I honestly thought we would hire a stronger defense style coach. That’s all….

    #121089
    eas
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    He gets 2.2 million a year and a 6 year contract as well. His base salary at UNCW was only 300K a year, so I bet he did want a raise up to 2.2 million a year.

    #121091
    eas
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    Check that…I think he made 600k this year at UNCW

    #121092
    OutWestWolf
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    Pffft…
    Too many experts and constant complainers. He was not necessarily my first choice but he isn’t the floor. I’m all in and hope he’s successful. Screw the Millers. Everyone get on board or go elsewhere.

    who was the floor?

    #121093
    albunde55
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    He gets 2.2 million a year and a 6 year contract as well. His base salary at UNCW was only 300K a year, so I bet he did want a raise up to 2.2 million a year.

    Could have gotten behind hire at 1 mill to $1.2 with incentives, They only paid Gott 2 mill in first year!

    #121096
    TheAliasTroll
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    We’re over paying. Which you’ll all find out in short order with two or three orbits around the sun.

    #121097
    eas
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    Maybe they worked a higher base salary in order to have a lower buyout or something. Just seems like a big jump, actually a really big jump in pay. Almost sounds like he had a better offer and we needed to sweeten the kitty with 2.2 million.

    #121098
    eas
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    Isn’t 2.2 million a good bit more than what any of the other coaches were looking at are currently making (minus Gregg Marshall of course)?

    #121099
    albunde55
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    If we are such a tough place to coach, then why a 6 year deal? If he is so good that he will take us to promised land in 3-4 years, why would want to hold him back from a bigger better job outside the ACC! My head hurts!

    #121103
    JeremyH
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    I found an old Zona thread that talked about their embarrassing coach search, getting spurned by 6-7 coaches publically, including a Usc coach,chasing Miller of Xavier who had no interest, and entertaining Steve Lavin..no one really remembers that. Their AD persisted on Miller, and eventually got his man.

    #121104
    JeremyH
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    Although I hear people are not thrilled with Miller’s tourney resume. Think the pressure is on him to produce this year with all that talent he’s got. Maybe this explains his interest in UNC. There is a perception (by Zona fans at least) that it recruits for itself in a way that Zona does not.

    #121106
    TheAliasTroll
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    Millers are and ALWAYS will be scum as far as I’m concerned. I hope their careers crash and burn.

    #121107
    ryebread
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    There are plenty of reasons not to take a job for someone with a young family. No sour grapes from me with Archie. I wish him the best and hope that is the message communicated back to him. I have to think we tried and that is all I wanted.

    Having said that, I’m actually excited about Keatts. I liked him a LOT more than Wade. I have watched his teams play quite a few games and they play an interesting style of basketball that will really resonate with our fans. I see much more upside out of Keatts than any of the retreads.

    As I thought about our potential candidates, I thought about who I wouldn’t want to see the most on the other sideline. It was Keatts. If he were at Louisville after Pitino, I honestly think they wouldn’t miss a beat. I’m not saying they’d have hired him, but I am saying that I would not have wanted to go on the road to Louisville to play them with him as the head man. Maybe we flipped the script?

    Welcome Coach Keatts. Time to get to work recruiting our own players, some new ones and in building a staff. Assistants will be key.

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