Your “I’m Too Apathetic to Think Up a Cute Title” Syracuse Open Thread

OK, so the trip to Louisville wasn’t quite as fun as the trip to Durham.  Meh…..It happens.  Why did it happen this time?

You saw it, what do you think?

Effort, energy missing in NC State’s latest ‘lifeless’ ACC loss (NewsObserver.com)

There’s never a good time to question your team’s effort.

It’s not that N.C. State’s Terry Henderson wanted to, but another embarrassing, lopsided ACC loss, 85-60 at Louisville on Sunday, left the senior guard with no choice.

“It felt like nobody wanted to compete from the start of the game,” Henderson said. “I don’t know why. That’s just how it felt.”

Those are painful words from a team leader, no matter the point in the season, but especially so with N.C. State (14-8, 3-6 ACC) coming into this game after its biggest win of the season at Duke on Monday night.

Not that this is N.C. State’s first “lifeless” loss, as coach Mark Gottfried put it. There were similar efforts in losses to Creighton, Illinois, Miami and North Carolina. Just like those losses, this game was away from home.

None of the confidence, energy or effort from Monday’s road win at Duke carried over for the Wolfpack against a deep, powerful Louisville (18-4, 6-3) team.

The team looked like it was playing in “cement boots,” Gottfried said.

Look, there is no shame in losing on the road at Louisville.  Especially following up the emotional win in Cameron.  But the way we lost?  Heck, we barely even went thru the motions.  Now there IS shame in that.

But nothing to do other than turn the page and try to do better.  Let’s do better.

Time is growing short.  And as VaWolf82 has made all too clear, such that even dummies like me can understand…..there is much ground to be made up.

Sadly, looking at the 2nd half of the season, I see a maximum of 5 wins.  And that’s if we play like we did vs VT/Duke every night out.  We haven’t exactly been doing that of late.

Syracuse at NC State

Tipoff:  Wednesday, February 1st, 7pm

Coverage:  ESPN2

Pack Returns Home to Host Syracuse (GoPack.com)

The NC State men’s basketball team (14-8, 3-6 ACC) returns home to PNC Arena Wednesday evening to host Syracuse (13-9, 5-4 ACC) after playing its last two games on the road against ranked opponents.The game is scheduled to begin at 7:00 p.m. ET.

The game will be televised on ESPN2 with Karl Ravech and LaPhonso Ellis on the call.

Fans can also listen to the game on the Wolfpack Sports Network with Gary Hahn and Tony Haynes calling the action.

Pack Tracks
– NC State fell to #13/14 Louisville, 85-60, Sunday afternoon at the KFC Yum! Center. Abdul-Malik Abu and Maverick Rowan led the Pack’s offensive attack with 13 points each. Freshman Dennis Smith, Jr., added a team-best six assists and three steals.
– With at least 10 games still left in the season, freshman Dennis Smith, Jr., is already in the top-5 in numerous NC State freshman categories. He has 49 steals on the season, second-most by an NC State freshman (Chris Corchiani – 61). He has scored 417 points this season and with 10 points on Wednesday night would move past T.J. Warren and teammate Maverick Rowan into third place in the NC State record for most points scored by a freshman (Brandon Costner – 605).
– In the last three games, junior forward Abdul-Malik Abu is averaging 17.3 points and 7.3 rebounds per contest. He is shooting 63.9 percent from the field (23-of-36) and has shot at least 60 percent from the field in all three games.
Ted Kapita‘s double-double at Duke made him the sixth NC State player to record a double-double this season. Abdul-Malik Abu (4), Dennis Smith (3), Torin Dorn (2), BeeJay Anya (1) and Omer Yurtseven (1) have also recorded double-doubles this season. The six players with a double-double ties for the most in the ACC with Florida State, UNC-Chapel Hill and Syracuse.

Syracuse’s game at North Carolina State is suddenly important for both teams (Syracuse.com)

Syracuse, N.Y. — One week ago, Syracuse’s game against North Carolina State looked like just another run-of-the-mill game in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Syracuse’s record stood at 11-9 overall and a mediocre 3-4 in the conference. North Carolina State’s record was slightly better at 13-7, but the Wolfpack was off to a 2-5 start in league play.

Then Syracuse won two straight, including an 82-72 upset of 6th-ranked Florida State on Saturday. North Carolina State went into Cameron Indoor Stadium and stunned Duke. The 84-82 win was State’s first at Cameron Indoor in 20 years.

Syracuse and N.C. State had revived their postseason aspirations in a week’s time. And their meeting on Wednesday at N.C. State’s PNC Arena looms as a key game for both teams.

“It’s definitely important, especially for us,” Syracuse freshman Tyus Battle said Monday. “We’re trying to make a push for the tournament right now. We’re rolling right now. We just want to keep things going. We have to get wins.”

Syracuse (13-9, 5-4) and N.C. State (14-8, 3-6) are having to bolster their NCAA tournament resumes now because they failed to do so in the non-conference portion of their schedules.

Syracuse suffered bad non-conference losses to the likes of St. John’s, Connecticut and Georgetown. The Orange lacks a marquee victory outside the ACC.

N.C. State’s resume is similar. The Wolfpack lost to Creighton and Illinois before the start of conference play. However, N.C. State’s best non-conference win came against St. Joseph’s. The Wolfpack’s game against Illinois was the only one against a team from a Power 5 league and that game was part of the ACC-Big Ten Challenge.

In Ken Pomeroy’s statistical analysis of teams on KenPom.com, Syracuse is currently No. 53, while N.C. State is down at No. 78.

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We’ll give the Random Wolf Songs one more try I guess…..

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  • #116208
    gso packbacker
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    My sense of why O’Brien was ultimately let go was that while he agreed with Yow on the program goals and objectives, he didn’t feel that he needed to do anything differently to achieve those results.

    If that kind of stuff is indeed important to Debbie, she better have been in Gott’s office having this discussion a few weeks ago.

    From my vantage point, I don’t see any changes (results aside).

    All that being said, I am treating a possible coaching change just like a do a State game. Greatly manage expectations, hope for the best, and just do my best to enjoy the show.

    #116210
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I mean, we DID make changes going into this hoops season. Went heavy buy in on the recruiter/talent acquisition model. And we have tremendous players and an equally awful team this season.

    What does she think, he’s gonna pull TWO Dennis Smith Jr’s out his posterior this offseason??

    /also, those two theoreticals would still combine to play nary one shit bit of defense, yeah?

    #116212
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    It’s seems that the evolving consensus, at least around here, is that this — apathy, mediocre teams, coaches — is not a “basketball program” or, for that matter, a “football program”, problem…

    Maybe it’s rooted much deeper and much higher in the University Administration, in the form of conflicting goals and objectives…

    In other words, could it be the University at the top levels has one set of goals, objectives and expectations for revenue athletics and the alumni and fans have a different set of goals, objectives and expectations for revenue athletics?

    By all appearances and without conclusive evidence from the University Administration, what other conclusion could we reasonably reach? That being the Coach… changing Coaches or AD ain’t gonna accomplish jacksh#t from our point of view?

    Maybe we’ve been barking up the wrong tree….
    Maybe it’s time to go scouting for big game….

    Is it not true that the worse that could happen would be an honest, open, frank acknowledgement of the problem and some sensitivity to alumni points of view, that brings diverse people together, instead of the same old blahblahblah, smokeandmirrors, of the last 25 or so years?

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #116213
    MISTA WOLF
    Participant

    At the end of the day, the administrations goals should be our goals. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired.

    By the way….. Over the last 13:44 of the game, we were outscored 41-18. The Pack women were getting their ass handed to them the last time I checked.

    #116214
    etab4u
    Participant

    Didn’t watch the game. Probably won’t watch NCSU again this year. I’ll just check the score and read you all ranting.
    Almost too apathetic to post.

    #116216
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    All I can say is, those of you who cannot bear to watch, you missed a great game. Your loss. We didn’t win, the end of regulation was unbelievable, but it was still a great game. DSJ was all time all time, Mav was on fire, and the guys played their hearts out. We should have won, but if you couldn’t enjoy that game, you don’t like basketball, regardless of what you think of Gott. Of course, if you are pulling against the team, as several of you are now admitting to, your opinion is worthless in my book anyway.

    #116219
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    It’s seems that the evolving consensus, at least around here, is that this — apathy, mediocre teams, coaches — is not a “basketball program” or, for that matter, a “football program”, problem…

    Maybe it’s rooted much deeper and much higher in the University Administration,

    Pre-Woodson, I think that there was a deep disconnect. The admin was satisfied with not-sucking. Amato fell below that and was fired. Sendek met that requirement and Fowler stuck with him. Only in a theoretical sense, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Herb had stayed instead of fleeing to the desert. The rumors of discontent among the big money donors were spreading. I have often wondered how that scenario would have played out….but I am grateful that I didn’t have to watch it.

    Woodson and DY speak of excellence. Now it’s time to move beyond talk in BB and getting mighty close to that time in FB.

    #116220
    McCallum
    Participant

    I have reverted to a “Sidney Lowe” type of apathy. I actually watched Big Bang Theory reruns instead of the game. It has become so bad, that if I come across a State game on the weekend while surfing; I will watch for a moment and then move on… no matter the score. I have better things to do with my time, even though I really like the kids on this team. (Bona fides: I am a State grad, I bleed red, I hate UNC and I bought an F150 because it was State Red and my block S license plate would look great on it.)

    I didn’t know anyone watched Big Bang Theory. The beta male nature of the characters and the not so subtle homosexual vibes make that show reek of the the last spin of the gene pool going down the toilet.

    McCallum

    #116225
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    Posts being moderated. Ladies WIN in Louisville. Last SECOND shot, in OVERTIME. At least there is SOME joy in Brickville.

    I DO plan on continuing to go to the game. I do plan to critique the coaching staff which I feel is the real issue.

    I stayed in my seat last night for both halves and the OT. Had a feeling it was gonna be OT.

    Bench lost the game last night. Should have fouled.

    We let Dook throw up 15 uncontested shots. Cuse did the same. Gillon had a perfect night. He DID hit some really good shots, but had he been defended, he would NOT have set a PNC record. THAT was PATHETIC…

    #116226
    McCallum
    Participant

    When the Wolfpack women win a big game nothing says celebration like an ice cold Fresca.

    McCallum

    #116227
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    Bench lost the game last night. Should have fouled.

    Not disagreeing, but I have seen two instances in the last week where the player knew he was going to be fouled and threw up a shot, but the ref will not call it a three shot foul. They’ve got to call that. It happened in the UNX/Pitt game where three would have tied it, but of course they called the foul before the shot. Someone is going to get caught on that soon.

    #116228
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    I didn’t know anyone watched Big Bang Theory. The beta male nature of the characters and the not so subtle homosexual vibes make that show reek of the the last spin of the gene pool going down the toilet.

    What is ‘projection,’ Alex?

    #116229
    freshmanin83
    Participant

    I have reverted to a “Sidney Lowe” type of apathy. I actually watched Big Bang Theory reruns instead of the game. It has become so bad, that if I come across a State game on the weekend while surfing; I will watch for a moment and then move on… no matter the score. I have better things to do with my time, even though I really like the kids on this team. (Bona fides: I am a State grad, I bleed red, I hate UNC and I bought an F150 because it was State Red and my block S license plate would look great on it.)

    I didn’t know anyone watched Big Bang Theory. The beta male nature of the characters and the not so subtle homosexual vibes make that show reek of the the last spin of the gene pool going down the toilet.

    McCallum

    You seem overly generous in your description of that show McCallum.

    #116232
    freshmanin83
    Participant

    I didn’t know anyone watched Big Bang Theory. The beta male nature of the characters and the not so subtle homosexual vibes make that show reek of the the last spin of the gene pool going down the toilet.

    What is ‘projection,’ Alex?

    When de-nile is not a river in Egypt?

    #116233
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    McCallum wrote:
    I didn’t know anyone watched Big Bang Theory. The beta male nature of the characters and the not so subtle homosexual vibes make that show reek of the the last spin of the gene pool going down the toilet.
    What is ‘projection,’ Alex?

    Yes, and we would also have accepted “What is ‘reaction formation’?”

    #116239
    McCallum
    Participant

    Here’s a chaw of backy spit each on your “projection” and “reaction formation” comments.

    SPIT, ding!

    SPIT, ding!

    May each of you spend the day lovingly staring into your phones as your wiggle about in your skinny jeans.

    McCallum

    #116241
    Rick
    Keymaster

    By all appearances and without conclusive evidence from the University Administration, what other conclusion could we reasonably reach? That being the Coach… changing Coaches or AD ain’t gonna accomplish jacksh#t from our point of view?

    I worry this is the case. The administration does not seem to care to be good at the revenue sports. I guess the end of this season will give us a good indication.

    #116242
    Rick
    Keymaster
    #116246
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Is this our first Deadspin since the Thursday Night “golden shower” student section game?

    Deadspin was a LOT better then, but this article was spot on.

    #116249
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^Well Rick… he’s not incorrect for the most part…

    I would take strong exception to the statement(s) that suggest Old Wolves are totally unreasonable in their expectations and would drive off any “good coach”, if one EVER took a job at NCState.

    From 1948 to 1991 — for 44 years — we played on a level field with and competed at the top levels of NCAA basketball every year and won Championships. That coupled with all the changes in the sport over those years means something. Forty Four years is a long time.

    We also understand how those experiences permeated our entire adult lives in meaningful and positive ways that transcended sports.

    For others, you don’t miss what you never had and can’t explain what you haven’t experienced…. some thing you, at times, find it terribly frightening and difficult to admit.

    Yes, at times, Old Wolves find it difficult, if not impossible, to communicate their deep seated feelings with others. But for US Old Wolves to be labeled — the a##holes in the crowd — because we are grumpy, OLD WHITE MEN, unreasonable and obnoxious, when in fact we are just calling ’em the way we see ’em based on what we have seen with our own eyes and experienced first hand– is PC-New Age- BULLSH#T.

    Most of us have acquired the ‘Grace and Courtesy that Only Comes With Age’ and would be satisfied with finding a solid middle ground and more importantly the plain facts and simple truths.

    That means two things…

    Don’t bore us with the obvious and tell us things we already know like they are Nobel Prize level discoveries… Best example of that is when you say… “That was a long time ago and times have changed”.

    AND quit feeding us BULLSH#T and then smiling and acting like we don’t know it’s BULLSH#T.

    We’ve tasted all 27 flavors of Howard Johnson’s Ice Cream.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #116252
    choppack1
    Participant

    Bill – well said. one should remind these “pundits” which is should be noted is very similar to “idiots” that the same thing was said about Clemson in football.

    As painful as the last 2 decades or so has been, we have been to the tourney 9 times, and have 3 sweet 16 appearances and 4 ACC championship game appearances.

    #116253
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Thanks…

    I left out one thing…

    “And stop begging US to pay good money to be insulted with the Obvious and the BULLSH#T.”

    Your actions will speak louder than your words.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #116259
    Daniel_Simpson_Day
    Participant

    Athletic department revenue outperforms on-field performance for the same reason ESPN’s revenue is higher than it should be. People are paying for a product they don’t use. Donors (subscribers) who give blindly every year no matter how well or poorly the teams perform. Eventually that bubble will burst and we will be left with a penniless and irrelevant athletics department.

    #116327
    mak4dpak
    Participant

    Last 2 home games, if we can just make FTs, we beat Wake/Cuse. DSJ/Mav just cannot miss these in crucial times of the game. More of the same vs. Miami and we can chalk up another loss. The star from Cuse didn’t miss a single FT. Others for State miss them, but these 2(DSJ/Mav) just cannot do this, especially in the end, with the game on the line.

    #116331
    McCallum
    Participant

    Athletic department revenue outperforms on-field performance for the same reason ESPN’s revenue is higher than it should be. People are paying for a product they don’t use. Donors (subscribers) who give blindly every year no matter how well or poorly the teams perform. Eventually that bubble will burst and we will be left with a penniless and irrelevant athletics department.

    The last part is half right.

    The athletic department is already irrelevant.

    People will always give because they like having their name in a magazine, on a wall or on a building.

    McCallum

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