Your “I’m Too Apathetic to Think Up a Cute Title” Syracuse Open Thread

OK, so the trip to Louisville wasn’t quite as fun as the trip to Durham.  Meh…..It happens.  Why did it happen this time?

You saw it, what do you think?

Effort, energy missing in NC State’s latest ‘lifeless’ ACC loss (NewsObserver.com)

There’s never a good time to question your team’s effort.

It’s not that N.C. State’s Terry Henderson wanted to, but another embarrassing, lopsided ACC loss, 85-60 at Louisville on Sunday, left the senior guard with no choice.

“It felt like nobody wanted to compete from the start of the game,” Henderson said. “I don’t know why. That’s just how it felt.”

Those are painful words from a team leader, no matter the point in the season, but especially so with N.C. State (14-8, 3-6 ACC) coming into this game after its biggest win of the season at Duke on Monday night.

Not that this is N.C. State’s first “lifeless” loss, as coach Mark Gottfried put it. There were similar efforts in losses to Creighton, Illinois, Miami and North Carolina. Just like those losses, this game was away from home.

None of the confidence, energy or effort from Monday’s road win at Duke carried over for the Wolfpack against a deep, powerful Louisville (18-4, 6-3) team.

The team looked like it was playing in “cement boots,” Gottfried said.

Look, there is no shame in losing on the road at Louisville.  Especially following up the emotional win in Cameron.  But the way we lost?  Heck, we barely even went thru the motions.  Now there IS shame in that.

But nothing to do other than turn the page and try to do better.  Let’s do better.

Time is growing short.  And as VaWolf82 has made all too clear, such that even dummies like me can understand…..there is much ground to be made up.

Sadly, looking at the 2nd half of the season, I see a maximum of 5 wins.  And that’s if we play like we did vs VT/Duke every night out.  We haven’t exactly been doing that of late.

Syracuse at NC State

Tipoff:  Wednesday, February 1st, 7pm

Coverage:  ESPN2

Pack Returns Home to Host Syracuse (GoPack.com)

The NC State men’s basketball team (14-8, 3-6 ACC) returns home to PNC Arena Wednesday evening to host Syracuse (13-9, 5-4 ACC) after playing its last two games on the road against ranked opponents.The game is scheduled to begin at 7:00 p.m. ET.

The game will be televised on ESPN2 with Karl Ravech and LaPhonso Ellis on the call.

Fans can also listen to the game on the Wolfpack Sports Network with Gary Hahn and Tony Haynes calling the action.

Pack Tracks
– NC State fell to #13/14 Louisville, 85-60, Sunday afternoon at the KFC Yum! Center. Abdul-Malik Abu and Maverick Rowan led the Pack’s offensive attack with 13 points each. Freshman Dennis Smith, Jr., added a team-best six assists and three steals.
– With at least 10 games still left in the season, freshman Dennis Smith, Jr., is already in the top-5 in numerous NC State freshman categories. He has 49 steals on the season, second-most by an NC State freshman (Chris Corchiani – 61). He has scored 417 points this season and with 10 points on Wednesday night would move past T.J. Warren and teammate Maverick Rowan into third place in the NC State record for most points scored by a freshman (Brandon Costner – 605).
– In the last three games, junior forward Abdul-Malik Abu is averaging 17.3 points and 7.3 rebounds per contest. He is shooting 63.9 percent from the field (23-of-36) and has shot at least 60 percent from the field in all three games.
Ted Kapita‘s double-double at Duke made him the sixth NC State player to record a double-double this season. Abdul-Malik Abu (4), Dennis Smith (3), Torin Dorn (2), BeeJay Anya (1) and Omer Yurtseven (1) have also recorded double-doubles this season. The six players with a double-double ties for the most in the ACC with Florida State, UNC-Chapel Hill and Syracuse.

Syracuse’s game at North Carolina State is suddenly important for both teams (Syracuse.com)

Syracuse, N.Y. — One week ago, Syracuse’s game against North Carolina State looked like just another run-of-the-mill game in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Syracuse’s record stood at 11-9 overall and a mediocre 3-4 in the conference. North Carolina State’s record was slightly better at 13-7, but the Wolfpack was off to a 2-5 start in league play.

Then Syracuse won two straight, including an 82-72 upset of 6th-ranked Florida State on Saturday. North Carolina State went into Cameron Indoor Stadium and stunned Duke. The 84-82 win was State’s first at Cameron Indoor in 20 years.

Syracuse and N.C. State had revived their postseason aspirations in a week’s time. And their meeting on Wednesday at N.C. State’s PNC Arena looms as a key game for both teams.

“It’s definitely important, especially for us,” Syracuse freshman Tyus Battle said Monday. “We’re trying to make a push for the tournament right now. We’re rolling right now. We just want to keep things going. We have to get wins.”

Syracuse (13-9, 5-4) and N.C. State (14-8, 3-6) are having to bolster their NCAA tournament resumes now because they failed to do so in the non-conference portion of their schedules.

Syracuse suffered bad non-conference losses to the likes of St. John’s, Connecticut and Georgetown. The Orange lacks a marquee victory outside the ACC.

N.C. State’s resume is similar. The Wolfpack lost to Creighton and Illinois before the start of conference play. However, N.C. State’s best non-conference win came against St. Joseph’s. The Wolfpack’s game against Illinois was the only one against a team from a Power 5 league and that game was part of the ACC-Big Ten Challenge.

In Ken Pomeroy’s statistical analysis of teams on KenPom.com, Syracuse is currently No. 53, while N.C. State is down at No. 78.

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We’ll give the Random Wolf Songs one more try I guess…..

Go Pack!!!!!

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  • #116153
    redwolf87
    Participant

    Last year, I thought every week we’d see a new scenario for State to lose a basketball game. And they pretty much did.

    This year is the same, except the tragically comic aspect of it, while innovative, has become downright numbing.

    I agree with a lot of other posters. This is a repeat of the Alabama death spiral. And it is a dumpster fire. And, at this point, there is almost no reason to think it will get any better next year, if things remain static in the absence of DSJ and Yurtseven (assumptions that both are gone).

    Gotta make a move in the next 2 months.

    #116158
    PackerInRussia
    Participant

    If they had cement boots after last game, they just got pushed into the water. Will take a miracle to make anything of this season. What a shame. At least we got to see the great DSJ play. He and Ben Simmons should start a club.

    #116161
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I turned on the TV to see the last minute and first couple of OT.
    I laughed and changed the channel. Gott is awful.
    Eh, who cares. Get a decent coach and maybe I will reengage but I have no desire to watch this pathetic “team”.

    #116162
    BassPacker
    Participant

    The young trophy girlfriend Coach Gott has now must be screwing his brains out…..cause sure as heck don’t know what he was thinking with from the 8 minute mark to the end.

    #116164
    gso packbacker
    Participant

    I think my text exchange with a friend summed it up for me.

    Him: Wow!
    Me: Indeed

    Time to put a bow on it as the only question is whether McCallum’s prediction of 5-11 will be too optimistic at the end of the day. 🙂

    #116166
    choppack1
    Participant

    I hate this for the kids. They deserve better.

    DSJ and Mav played their butts off…

    #116169
    WolfInVolCountry
    Participant

    I have reverted to a “Sidney Lowe” type of apathy. I actually watched Big Bang Theory reruns instead of the game. It has become so bad, that if I come across a State game on the weekend while surfing; I will watch for a moment and then move on… no matter the score. I have better things to do with my time, even though I really like the kids on this team. (Bona fides: I am a State grad, I bleed red, I hate UNC and I bought an F150 because it was State Red and my block S license plate would look great on it.)

    #116170
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Here’s an incomplete data point:
    For the year ending 6/1/2015; NC State’s Athletic Dept reported that total revenue exceeded total expenses by almost $7M.

    Based on a review of all of the ACC schools that I did about the time Marvin got caught eating doughnuts, total revenue would include all monies transferred from the Wolfpack Club to the Athletic Dept. But there is no way to know exactly what the Wolfpack Club took in for that year. I also don’t know exactly what happened to that athletic dept surplus of $7M.

    But the only data available to you and me suggests that the athletic dept is no longer barely scraping by.

    https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/details

    (It appears that I can’t directly link to NC State data.)

    PS – Several more snippets of interesting information from this web site:

    Undergraduate population: 11,800 men vs 9,500 women. That’s a substantial increase in the female percentage since I started school a lifetime ago.

    “Not Allocated Revenue” = $13M. Is this the annual check from the ACC?

    #116171
    Rick
    Keymaster

    “Not Allocated Revenue” = $13M. Is this the annual check from the ACC?

    That should be the “Gott and Archie buyour fund” but I bet its not.

    #116172
    Khan
    Participant

    I stand by my “we’re awful” conclusion.

    #116173
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Extreme heat and pressure makes diamonds or explosions….

    With people, my experience is that different personalities manifest themselves in different ways during times of extreme pressure. You can change the personalities all you want, but all you get is different color fireworks and the fundamental structural weaknesses of the organization still won’t ever get fixed.

    In other words…. fix the fundamental structural weaknesses of the organization FIRST and 90% of your personnel problems fix themselves.

    Ya’ll are smart enough to figure out for yourselves what that means with respect to NCState athletics…

    Ya’ll have a great day…

    It’s 70*plus again down here at the Beach and Spring starts in 23 days…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #116176
    13OT
    Participant

    Interesting that total revenue exceeds total expenses by about $7,000,000. Is this sustainable given the current direction football and men’s basketball are headed? I think not.

    Firing Mark Gottfried will do little more than bring on another coach who will likely be somewhere between mediocre and awful, just like our current football coach. Do we want to be bad until 2020 or 2025, or beyond? No sane Wolfpack fan should want the current AD hiring another football or men’s basketball coach, not after the results we’ve had the past several seasons.

    I have had enough of Debbie Yow, not to mention the seemingly never-ending sub-.500 ACC seasons on her watch. I do plan to let the WPC know this when my renewal comes up at the end of this month. If NCSU administrators feel the need to stay this disastrous course, which they apparently do, then they’ll do it with $360 less next year. It’s nowhere near $7 million, but it’s a start.

    As long as the big bucks keep rolling in, nothing short of an LTR walkout will get the attention of the NCSU elites who seem to know (and care) as little about winning as I care about paying to be a part of it any longer.

    #116177
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Hire an AD who doesn’t think NC State basketball is an undesirable job. Then get a coach. Plenty of money to make that happen, as VA noted above.

    #116178
    SqlWolf
    Participant

    My apathy is running at full blast 11 right now. I was aware of the game last night but didn’t bother turning on the TV until late in the second half. I fully expected our team would be down 10 points. I was pleasantly surprised to see us up by 7. Then I learned we were up by double digits and were right in the middle of a total collapse. As the game and lead dwindled down. I kept feeling the crushing disappointment of missed freethrows. When time ran out and overtime began, I turned off my TV because I could already see the game was lost. I may not watch basketball the rest of this season. I’m so done with watching this “dumbster fire.”

    #116179
    rthomas44
    Participant

    I would think most $ is from ESPN.

    #116180
    tvp1
    Participant

    Is anyone hearing anything to suggest that a change is even remotely possible?

    I have reason to believe that Archie would be very interested. Don’t take it to the bank or anything, but from what I’ve heard the opportunity exists.

    #116182
    McCallum
    Participant

    My apathy is running at full blast 11 right now. I was aware of the game last night but didn’t bother turning on the TV until late in the second half. I fully expected our team would be down 10 points. I was pleasantly surprised to see us up by 7. Then I learned we were up by double digits and were right in the middle of a total collapse. As the game and lead dwindled down. I kept feeling the crushing disappointment of missed freethrows. When time ran out and overtime began, I turned off my TV because I could already see the game was lost. I may not watch basketball the rest of this season. I’m so done with watching this “dumbster fire.”

    Let me tell you about a place of peace and tranquility. It is a place of quiet and a sense of doom doesn’t pervade the air.

    So you ask, “where is this place?”.

    It is not far away. Take the first left, go 1/2 mile and stop at the sign that says “Couldnt Give a S.hit USA”.

    Life is good here and they don’t serve decaf.

    McCallum

    #116184
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I am to the point I want there to be zero reason for Yow to keep Gott. I would prefer she not be involved in any coaching search but at this point I am so sick of Gott ball I would take it. If she pulls in Archie then I will retract everything I ever said about her.

    #116185
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    I am to the point I want there to be zero reason for Yow to keep Gott.

    From a basketball perspective, we’re already there. I’m hopeful that State has the finances to pull off a coaching change with two sets of buyouts (Based on $ info posted above). Also buyouts are rarely lump sum payouts. See “Fowler, Lee”.

    But “hopeful” is far short of “certain”. After Hewitt’s disastrous contract, GT had to suck it up for a while after getting rid of Hewitt. I can’t say for sure exactly what State’s financial situation is.

    #116189
    ryebread
    Participant

    I watched the game on recorded delay late last night. I had some commitments when it was actually on, but didn’t learn the score so I could watch it “fresh.” I always want to see State win and as discussed in a previous thread, I thought it was one of our best chances at getting a win left on the regular season schedule.

    There were some pros. I have now watched all three triple doubles by NC State players in the last 20 years. DSJ is a special player, and honestly looks even better when he is focused on getting others involved (first 2/3rds of the game) than he is when trying to score. That bodes well for him in the pros. It is sad to see some Gott defenders (not necessarily here) throw him under the bus to defend Gott. Imagine how awful this team would be without him. Oh wait, that’s next year’s team if Gott is coaching us.

    Mav and Abu both also had really strong games. They each took advantage of a great match up for them. I also thought we looked good when Yurt was at the high post and we were actively feeding the low post.

    When we were up 14-16 late, I thought we were in pretty good shape, but when Syracuse went on the 12 point run and we didn’t do anything to stop it, I had a sinking feeling. When it went to OT, I knew it was over. We saw Gottball at its finest — missed free throws, no defense, way too late to call a time out, poor situational awareness, letting one kid light us up in a career game (most points ever scored by a player in the ESA).

    I wonder if there’s ever been a game in ACC history where one player had a triple double, a teammate had 30 points and the team still lost. I’ve not looked it up, but it would be fascinating to find if that anomaly existed.

    It’s been past time for Gott to be gone. As I said before the game, a win wouldn’t change my opinion of that. A loss doesn’t change it either. Nothing short of a 1983 styled run is going to do that for me.

    My only real solace in last night was that with each mounting loss it is going to be harder for Yow to excuse away another year. Eventually it will be bad enough that action must be taken. Note, I would never pull against NC State, and take no joy from a loss, but if there is a silver lining from last night maybe it is that.

    #116190
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    I am to the point I want there to be zero reason for Yow to keep Gott.

    From a basketball perspective, we’re already there. I’m hopeful that State has the finances to pull off a coaching change with two sets of buyouts (Based on $ info posted above). Also buyouts are rarely lump sum payouts. See “Fowler, Lee”.

    But “hopeful” is far short of “certain”. After Hewitt’s disastrous contract, GT had to suck it up for a while after getting rid of Hewitt. I can’t say for sure exactly what State’s financial situation is.

    I’ve come to view those in charge of NC State athletics as a corporation with a CEO directed to keep the share holders happy by staying in the black, winning is optional. Do just enough to keep the consumers from screaming for heads to roll and keep the money rolling in. From my view there is no desire to do everything within the rules and grey areas to win. If that view is wrong then they really suck at it because riddle me the last time NC State won a conference championship in Basketball or Football?

    If revenue sports are simply put up with for generating revenue and not wins/championships then why should I care?

    #116194
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    riddle me the last time NC State won a conference championship in Basketball or Football?

    1979 – football…note that the conference champs did not play in a bowl (turned down Garden State bowl in New Jersey because it was during exam week.)

    1987 – men’s basketball.

    Yes, I know that your question was rhetorical.

    #116196
    tractor57
    Participant

    to quote a friend of a former coworker “f##k’em an feed then fish eggs”
    I was with Gott until this year – IMO best thing that can happen is DSJ going pro and Gott out to pasture.

    #116201
    freshmanin83
    Participant

    Guilty as Gott. When evaluating a player. DSJ is usually a special player on offensive side of the ball. Not so much on the defensive side.

    #116202
    Thompson44
    Participant

    We suck, we will continue to suck with the current Coach in place. I am not sure there is a savior for the program out there.

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