Men’s Basketball Player Turnover Under Mark Gottfried

Mark Gottfried NCS Basketball503

As best as I can tell, this is the turnover under Gott. Just going to leave this here for reference.

11-12

Painter – transfer (family issues)
Harris – transfer
Raymond – transfer

12-13

Leslie – left early, never played in NBA
Brown – left early, NBA
Purvis – transfer
de Thaey – left to go wherever

13-14
Warren – left early, NBA
Lewis – transfer

14-15

Lacey – left early, never played in NBA
Washington – transfer
Wallace – walk on transfer

15-16

Barber – left early, NBA ?
Martin – transfer
Martin – transfer

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  • 03/29/2016 at 4:40 PM #102114
    MrPlywood
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    StateRed44 wrote:

    Is there solace in the fact that UVA plays very boring basketball?

    I think that falls under the “beggars can’t be choosers” category. 🙂

    03/29/2016 at 4:57 PM #102115
    FergusWolf
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    StateRed44 wrote:

    Is there solace in the fact that UVA plays very boring basketball?

    I think that success overwhelms boring

    03/30/2016 at 1:34 PM #102121
    eas
    Participant

    Boring is only relevant when you aren’t winning. I didn’t see many boring UVA games the past 2 years…..a

    04/03/2016 at 8:13 PM #102220
    APackFan4life
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    Problem Got has is almost Zero player development, especially in the low post position. They come in with potential and leave about the same as when they arrived. Some of the guys with real talent naturally improve with more playing time but even those few exceptions are guards.

    04/03/2016 at 8:33 PM #102222
    pakfanistan
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    APackFan4life wrote:

    Problem Got has is almost Zero player development, especially in the low post position. They come in with potential and leave about the same as when they arrived. Some of the guys with real talent naturally improve with more playing time but even those few exceptions are guards.

    Abu is better. Washington improved. Vandy got vastly better. Howell got better.

    I’d post stats to prove it, but I’m too lazy.

    04/03/2016 at 8:51 PM #102228
    Rick
    Keymaster
    pakfanistan wrote:
    APackFan4life wrote:

    Problem Got has is almost Zero player development, especially in the low post position. They come in with potential and leave about the same as when they arrived. Some of the guys with real talent naturally improve with more playing time but even those few exceptions are guards.

    Abu is better. Washington improved. Vandy got vastly better. Howell got better.

    I’d post stats to prove it, but I’m too lazy.

    I thinks its hard to predict either way. It does seem teams with lower rated recruits seen to do better than us. Heck even the two incoming transfers were not particularly highly rated recruits but seem to have been developed well.

    04/03/2016 at 11:18 PM #102233
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    You are who your record says you are.
    Bill Parcells

    Too many transfers?
    Too little development?
    Poor recruiting decisions?
    Poor defense?

    Trying to prioritize or arrange the reasons for State’s record are all akin to playing with deck chairs on the Titanic. Head coaches get paid obscene amounts of money to figure out the details. If Gott doesn’t get it done, then we’ll move on to another one (eventually).

    04/04/2016 at 7:39 PM #102271
    pakfanistan
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    VaWolf82 wrote:

    Too many transfers?
    Too little development?
    Poor recruiting decisions?
    Poor defense?

    In order, meh, no, maybe, yes.

    04/08/2016 at 12:28 PM #102093
    pakfanistan
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    Rick wrote:

    Is that the same fallacy in which all the players leaving were the problems and all the ones coming in are the solution?

    Of course solution equals thirteenth place.

    I recognize that one. It’s called a straw man.

    04/08/2016 at 12:28 PM #102081
    Khan
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    Is that the same fallacy in which all the players leaving were the problems and all the ones coming in are the solution?

    Of course solution equals thirteenth place.

    Lol

    04/08/2016 at 12:29 PM #101851
    Wolfanatic
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    Painter…moved on due to a family illness..I believe his grandma was ill and he wanted to be closer to home.
    Harrow..never played for gott.
    Throw those two out of the mix…
    Harris…yeah, a bench player at best..
    Purvis…probably the best of those that defected, yet still somewhat over rated
    Lewis …the third of our 3 McDonalds All Americans…..right..we got two Big Macs and a Kid’s Meal without a toy, and daddy thought Tyler was much better than he was. He couldn’t defend a three-legged dog, let alone a Cat.
    Raymond and De Thaey? Neither have achieved any notoriety since defecting. Gott’s program survived just fine without both of them. Neither of them had the potential to move us from the Sweet sixteen to the Elite Eight.
    Kyle…It remains to be seen…I did not want to see him go but he left for what was IMO selfish reasons. He did not appreciate his role in a team game.. It is upon him to prove Gott wrong for cutting down his minutes. Time will tell. Too many kids get too much smoke blown up their bunghole and believe that they are all that and a long white rag top Cadillac. Reality is a bitch that cares little for requited love….

    04/08/2016 at 12:29 PM #101845
    Thinkpack17
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    -Harris- Do you remember his dad? Thinking that he was an NBA player like big brother? Saying that he “shut down” Thomas Robinson in the Sweet Sixteen game? Did he ever live up to daddy’s expectations? Is he going to the league?

    04/14/2016 at 11:02 PM #102617
    MrPlywood
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    This is an interesting list of “high-profile” transfers. It would be interesting if one joined the Pack. Note that Caleb is listed, Cody is mentioned as part of the deal. The list is a mix of guys from all levels of programs, and it seems that most of them got plenty of playing time. Who knows what lurks in the hearts of 19 year old guys?

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14390188/college-basketball-transfer-list

    04/15/2016 at 3:26 AM #102618
    tractor57
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    MrP of note to me is the great increase in transfers over time.

    04/15/2016 at 5:48 AM #102621
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    It’s like free agency.

    04/15/2016 at 6:33 AM #102622
    redisgood
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    There are two on that list so far who have upcoming visits. Savon Goodman, the Arizona State forward who lit us up last season and can play immediately is coming at the end of April. And Jimmy Whitt, a freshman point guard from Arkansas who will have to sit out a year is also coming in the next few weeks.

    04/15/2016 at 8:22 AM #102623
    Rick
    Keymaster

    There are definitely more transfer now. The difference between the better teams in the conference and the lower tier seem to be how many transfers they have.
    Chicken or egg though.

    04/15/2016 at 9:35 AM #102625
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    I don’t know if that is completely true.

    For example, Duke “loses” Thornton. They bring in someone better (five-star Frank Jackson, who stands 6-4).

    Some programs just have the mojo.

    04/15/2016 at 9:41 AM #102626
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I took this from the other site so the formatting sucks but it essentially shows how many MPG and PPG leave. Only real exceptions are UVA and UM.

    Team Player MPG PPG APG RPG Schools Transferred To
    UNC 0 players 0 0 0 0
    ND 2 players 23 7.5 1.3 2.3 BC, N Texas
    Cuse 2 players 28.5 6.8 2.2 4.1 Lasalle, IUPUI
    DUKE 4 players 36.1 12.9 2.1 4.7 Cuse, UF, SMU, UMD
    Ville 6 players 47 10.1 1.4 6.6 Nebraska, G’town, NW, GaState, USC, Winthrop
    Pitt 4 players 47.8 11.9 4.7 5.4 Charlotte, IU, TCU, Juco
    FSU 4 players 50.2 15.1 2.3 8.3 TAMU, VCU, ECU, UALR
    Clemson 6 players 63.1 18.1 5.2 8.9 Temple, Charlotte, Murray St, Hofstra, FAU, Juco
    UVA 6 players 69.4 15 4.4 7.1 Auburn, SDState, Belmont, UNI, Tarleton St, ODU
    UM 5 players 90.9 30.7 4.1 10.8 Baylor, Ole Miss, Juco, Marshall, Rutgers
    GT 6 players 99.4 31.2 4.2 17.8 Umd, FAU, GM, Tenn St, Ark St, FGCU
    WF 9 players 143.8 43.2 7.9 22.7 Nova, Prov, Bradley, BYU, GW, Towson, Iona, Drexel, UALR
    NC STATE 8 players 149 45.8 10 22.8 Cincy, Uconn, Butler, MTSU, Prov, ODU, TBD
    BC 7 players 158 49.2 8.5 20.7 WV, Arixona, St Marys, Davidson, Nicholls St, Brandeis, Boise
    VaT 7 players 165.3 57.3 7.6 28.6 UF, GaT, NW, OSU, Richmond, SMU, UAB

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    04/15/2016 at 3:24 PM #102637
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    ^ How many years does that info cover?

    04/15/2016 at 3:55 PM #102642
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I think it is Gott’s tenure

    04/15/2016 at 3:55 PM #102644
    Tau837
    Participant

    ^You can tell from the schools that it covers Washington (Cincy), Purvis (UConn), Lewis (Butler), Raymond (MTSU), Harris (Providence), Painter (ODU), and the Martins (TBD). But it does not cover Harrow (Kentucky). So it covers 5 years.

    04/15/2016 at 4:13 PM #102645
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    Haha – well that makes sense 😛

    04/18/2016 at 12:51 PM #102698
    redisgood
    Participant

    Ben Carter who is a PF from UNLV is transferring from the program and can play immediately. NC State is one of his scheduled visits. From the little I’ve read about the guy, here is what I found:

    – Initially played for Oregon. Was suspended 9 games for selling team gear;
    – Transferred from Oregon to UNLV because he wasn’t happy with his minutes and being forced to play the 5 position;
    – His father, who was quoted in everything I read, is a prominent AAU coach on the West Coast;
    – He tore his ACL at the end of January, and will begin light jogging in May

    I know we need big guys, and I know we have lots of scholarships, but this one makes me nervous.

    04/18/2016 at 1:41 PM #102703
    Texpack
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    redisgood wrote:

    Ben Carter who is a PF from UNLV is transferring from the program and can play immediately. NC State is one of his scheduled visits. From the little I’ve read about the guy, here is what I found:

    – Initially played for Oregon. Was suspended 9 games for selling team gear;
    – Transferred from Oregon to UNLV because he wasn’t happy with his minutes and being forced to play the 5 position;
    – His father, who was quoted in everything I read, is a prominent AAU coach on the West Coast;
    – He tore his ACL at the end of January, and will begin light jogging in May

    I know we need big guys, and I know we have lots of scholarships, but this one makes me nervous.

    With the CHeats on probation and looking for dirt, what could possibly go wrong?

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