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  • 02/18/2016 at 8:16 AM #99684
    pakfanistan
    Participant
    Rick wrote:

    If someone has lost both a job and a marriage because of their infidelity, it is hardly being judgmental to question their character. Truth is the defense for defamation.

    So first, what insider knowledge do you have into Gott’s personal life and relationships?

    And second,

    WHOOSH

    02/18/2016 at 9:44 AM #99686
    BassPacker
    Participant

    So now some are to the point of despair they have to bash Gotts character? Reaching new lows on this site. Theres a difference in character and personality. Most teams reflect a coaches personality rather than character. Come on people, lets not become that lunatic fringe so many accuse us of.

    02/18/2016 at 10:39 AM #99688
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Lots of opinions on the personal side of things. I have my own. But ultimately, I don’t want to have a beer with him. I just want him to go about his business professionally, reflect positively on the school and the young men he influences, try to improve that performance, and win. As Rye says, you are what your record says you are.

    For those who want to point to the last 4. What’s changed is that he now has roster he put together. There are no remaining inherited pieces or recruits. All yours. And you’re going up against better competition than you did in Tuscaloosa, and the results are not remotely close to good. You played on the margins with some really good personnel, and now the personnel is not p to par, nor are the results. That’s it. Any other spin is just that, a spin. Next year, barring substantial improvement with the current players on the roster, I don’t see a significant bump up in wins. We’ll be playing on the margins again at best. At worst, look for something similar.

    02/18/2016 at 11:50 AM #99691
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I appear to have riled up the Gott squad today.

    02/18/2016 at 12:12 PM #99692
    pakfanistan
    Participant
    Rick wrote:

    I appear to have riled up the Gott squad today.

    I don’t know if you count me in that, but I’m not riled in the slightest. My jimmies are completely unrustled.

    02/18/2016 at 12:18 PM #99693
    Rick
    Keymaster
    pakfanistan wrote:
    Rick wrote:

    I appear to have riled up the Gott squad today.

    I don’t know if you count me in that, but I’m not riled in the slightest. My jimmies are completely unrustled.

    No no I definitely detect rustled jimmies. My jimmie detector is beeping like mad.

    02/18/2016 at 12:36 PM #99694
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    02/18/2016 at 2:18 PM #99696
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster
    Whiteshoes67 wrote:

    …you’re going up against better competition than you did in Tuscaloosa, and the results are not remotely close to good. You played on the margins with some really good personnel, and now the personnel is not up to par, nor are the results. That’s it. Any other spin is just that, a spin…

    The only quibble that I would have is that the results before this disastrous season were positive steps in the right direction. Not where I want to be, but at least moving forward.

    And yes, the spinmeisters always manage to avoid inconvenient truths.

    02/18/2016 at 5:36 PM #99698
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Va, you take great care in generalizing the spinmeister movement…

    No weight given here or given there. Actual facts are often ignored by “fans.”

    02/18/2016 at 7:37 PM #99703
    tractor57
    Participant

    The famous quote that was never spoken – “just the facts ma’am”

    02/18/2016 at 7:47 PM #99704
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Joe Friday got this covered T57 .

    02/18/2016 at 9:46 PM #99706
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster
    TheCOWDOG wrote:

    Va, you take great care in generalizing the spinmeister movement…

    No weight given here or given there. Actual facts are often ignored by “fans.”

    You don’t know how much it pains me to me be politically correct. 20 years ago (maybe even 10 years ago), I wouldn’t have bothered.

    People who pick their facts to suit their theories disgust/frustrate me at work and on message boards. The facts are what they are and in most situations, we the fans don’t have all of the pertinent ones. But the final results on the score board are incontrovertible. I will never understand how people manage to ignore the scores or W/L records when interpreting current “facts” or making future predictions.

    The past doesn’t always predict the future. But only a fool ignores lessons learned in the past.

    02/18/2016 at 10:15 PM #99707
    choppack1
    Participant

    Let’s face it – gott has proven he can coach. You don’t have the success he’s had if you can’t.

    However, where he is struggled is sustaining success and truly building on past achievements. Since he has been in the p5 schools – he hasn’t truly put it together in all 3 of the seasons. Ironically, the closest he has come to doing that here was in his 1st year.

    You can infer from the ceiling in his 15 years what you want.

    I believe he has us positioned pretty well for next year. But I thought that at this time last year. If, as has happened with Gott in the past, we lose a couple of guys (namely Abu) semi-unexpectedly, then it doesn’t look as good.

    I think he does a mediocre job coaching d – something he had a reputation for at Bama. Again, that stuff doesn’t matter – if you win consistently and ethically – only a fool cares about how it looks. Problem is, we have 16 years in a major conference and only 2 of those have really produced upper tiered (read top 20%) results.

    Still, as others have stated his results on the court have earned him a mulligan for this year – I would just be more confident if you didn’t have those 11 years at Bama.

    02/18/2016 at 10:38 PM #99708
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant
    VaWolf82 wrote:

    … the final results on the score board are incontrovertible…
    only a fool ignores lessons learned in the past.

    VaWolf… With all due respect, Sir…
    Could it be that there’s a fundamental contradiction in the logic here..

    Sometimes in life, you win when you shouldn’t and sometimes you lose when you shouldn’t…
    Life ain’t all numbers and it’s certainly not all black and white.

    Our BBall TEAM is not Coached by a Fool.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    02/18/2016 at 10:58 PM #99709
    tractor57
    Participant

    Sometimes you are the windshield, sometimes the bug

    02/18/2016 at 11:33 PM #99710
    ryebread
    Participant

    Bill: I hate to say it but in the big money world of major college sports, all that matters are the numbers, and the only numbers that matter are the records. Sure some other stuff can get you fired if you’ve got an okay record, but none of those other things keep you retained if you aren’t winning. Winning even covers egregious sins, like we see with Ole Roy.

    The 11 years at Alabama are not to be ignored. They supposedly have lower standards in basketball than we do and care less about it, yet they fired an alum for the exact numbers that many defend here. If anything it looks like Alabama runs more of a performance oriented program than we do.

    My biggest problem with the Gott hire was that it was going to inevitably end up here. He was the second five years of HWSNBN. I was hoping like crazy to be wrong, but the signs were there in year 2. Ever since then it’s just been more people taking notice, and the fan base getting more devided. It’s a real shame.

    FWIW, I felt the same about the TOB hire. I knew that one was going to be divisive. There was no other end result given Fowler was running the search. It’s funny that in a sport where we have far less history, built in competitive advantage and relative resources, we hold that coach to a much higher standard.

    02/18/2016 at 11:57 PM #99711
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^ “Big Money” people are “people” too…

    And at the end of the day… there’s really very little “difference in character” between “peoples”, regardless of position, class or net worth….

    If one is proud pf the “character” of this year’s TEAM, then that necessarily must include the Coaches….
    If not… then… there’s nothing to say that will make a difference….

    I’m very certain that on a daily basis, Dr. Debbie and Bubba are much more concerned about the Big Bucks, than either Coach GOTT or Uncle Roy ever have been….

    Having said all that…
    I’m also of the opinion that discussions regarding matters of “character” pertaining to the imperfection of men/women should be off limits among gentlemen and ladies on public forums…. which I hope explains fully why I’ve bothered with responding to most all of the comments on this topic above and elsewhere…

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    Fanbases, by their fundamental nature, are always divided…
    e.g. In 1974 — a National Championship season — less than 30% of the student body attended basketball games …

    so what’s new with that?

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    02/19/2016 at 7:36 AM #99730
    Rick
    Keymaster
    bill.onthebeach wrote:

    I’m also of the opinion that discussions regarding matters of “character” pertaining to the imperfection of men/women should be off limits among gentlemen and ladies on public forums…. which I hope explains fully why I’ve bothered with responding to most all of the comments on this topic above and elsewhere…

    You actually first brought up the whole character issue. If you don’t want it discussed why would you bring it up?

    02/19/2016 at 7:56 AM #99732
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Rick…

    No… I was responding to some comments by multiple authors about stuff that happened years ago down in Alabama…

    Yes… I have attempted to elevate the level of the conversation to a much higher level — in the hopes of reminding everyone that some things are better left unsaid….

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    Final Note about “character”…

    Every Team is a mirror image of it’s Coach…

    For Five or more years…

    NCState Men’s Basketball is not and does not appear to be anyway close to “probabtion” for “bad behavior” by the NCAA or the SCAA.
    NCState Men’s Basketball players or coaches had not been in the news or in court for their off=the=court activities.
    NCState Men’s Basketball players’ as far as we can tell do not seem to be having difficulties with their academic workloads.

    Seems like a bunch of pretty good “characters” to me….

    .

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    02/19/2016 at 9:06 AM #99736
    Rick
    Keymaster
    bill.onthebeach wrote:

    Every Team is a mirror image of it’s Coach…

    I do believe teams take on the personality of their coach. I disagree that they take on their character.
    I cannot remember one of our teams ever giving up. IMO that comes from Gott.

    02/19/2016 at 9:24 AM #99737
    Rick
    Keymaster
    bill.onthebeach wrote:

    NCState Men’s Basketball is not and does not appear to be anyway close to “probabtion” for “bad behavior” by the NCAA or the SCAA.
    NCState Men’s Basketball players or coaches had not been in the news or in court for their off=the=court activities.
    NCState Men’s Basketball players’ as far as we can tell do not seem to be having difficulties with their academic workloads.

    This is a minimum qualification of a coach. It’s like someone bragging that they keep their kids fed. It’s part of the job description.

    02/19/2016 at 9:24 AM #99738
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    I believe a team can kill and eat the hearts of their enemies and take on their strength.

    02/19/2016 at 9:48 AM #99739
    Rick
    Keymaster
    pakfanistan wrote:

    I believe a team can kill and eat the hearts of their enemies and take on their strength.

    LOL

    02/19/2016 at 9:58 AM #99740
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant
    bill.onthebeach wrote:

    Rick…

    No… I was responding to some comments by multiple authors about stuff that happened years ago down in Alabama…

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    Final Note about “character”…

    Every Team is a mirror image of it’s Coach…

    For Five or more years…

    NCState Men’s Basketball is not and does not appear to be anyway close to “probabtion” for “bad behavior” by the NCAA or the SCAA.
    NCState Men’s Basketball players or coaches had not been in the news or in court for their off=the=court activities.
    NCState Men’s Basketball players’ as far as we can tell do not seem to be having difficulties with their academic workloads.

    Seems like a bunch of pretty good “characters” to me….

    .

    One caveat here, its not just something that happened at Bama, its going on now.

    02/19/2016 at 10:03 AM #99741
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant
    choppack1 wrote:

    I believe he has us positioned pretty well for next year. But I thought that at this time last year. If, as has happened with Gott in the past, we lose a couple of guys (namely Abu) semi-unexpectedly, then it doesn’t look as good.

    I think this is where the battle lines are being drawn. Granted both sides are probably biased in this but one side sees next year as a continuation of a dumpster fire while the others are clinging to hope. Like I said both sides probably are not seeing it clearly but alas that is where we are. If we are another bubble team and squeak in then of course he is not going anywhere. If we have a mirror season in 2016-17 then I think the flood gates open and it will be tough to defend Gott.

    Of course best case is we finish top 4, get a 3 seed or something and we can move on down the road with everybody being happy.

    Personally I think there just are too many question marks with next years team so I would say we are a bubble at best.

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