Basketball Weekly Roundup

I enjoy doing these weekly updates on ACC basketball. (I guess that’s a good thing because the pay certainly sucks.) But I would hate to do a bracket for the entire NCAAT on a weekly or more frequent basis. The danger in trying to do too much too frequently was nicely illustrated before the Duke/UNC game when Lundardi’s top two seeds were shown. He had UNC as a 1-seed, but before the game they had already dropped to #8 in the RPI Rankings. There is no way in God’s green earth that UNC would have been given a 1-seed with that ranking.

The danger in attempting frequent, comprehensive analyses is the twin errors of inertia and predictions. Teams rated highly are left there too long after they begin to falter…either because the faltering is missed or the assumption that they are going to recover. The flip side of these twin errors is that rising teams are not always picked up quick enough. Much like what goes on in AP rankings, “name” programs seem to hang around in brackets longer than their play this season has earned.

The simplistic technique we use avoids these twin errors by setting objective measures based on RPI and conference record. Towards the end of the regular season we roll in Top-50 wins to help pick through the large band encompassed by “The Bubble”. Thus when a team like Duke goes two months without a Top-50 win and is trending towards 0.500 in conference, I point it out. When Clemson climbs from an RPI Ranking of #236 on Jan 1 to #70 after a month of conference play, it’s worth taking note. But I try to limit my discussion from these facts to possibilities, not predictions.

So off my soap box and on to the RPI Table:

With no Thursday night ACC games, I’m using Thursday’s RPI rankings for this article. By the time this gets published Friday morning, I expect that there will be some small movements in either direction for the RPI Ranking, but at least there won’t be any relative motion among the ACC teams.

Last week, I said not to be too quick to pencil in UVA as a #2 seed. But I never expected that they could move out of the 2-seed into a #1 seed. They may not make it to a 1-seed, but their remaining schedule is tough enough that they certainly have the opportunity to make the pundits forget about their coronation of UNC as the class of the ACC.

In a continuation of my unusually generous streak, I’ve kept Pitt as “IN” even though their recent performance doesn’t really justify it. Their wins over the last month of conference play came at home against BC, VT, and WF and a road win against FSU…not exactly an awe-inspiring record. As we’ll see in a few minutes, the Dance Card calculations through Wed’s games may have influenced my generosity.

 

TREND GRAPHS

 

Note that RPI Rankings #40 -#45 are included in both graphs and you need both graphs to see FSU’s recent decline…

 

Let’s throw in the Dance Card too:

So moving Pitt out of the “IN” category implies that there is someone ready to take their spot…and right now, candidates seem to be in short supply.

Referring back to the RPI Table, Pitt has one Top-25 win and a total of two Top-50 wins. Throw in the fact that they’re only one game over 0.500 in conference play, you would naturally conclude that Pitt is just holding onto a bid. So I expected Pitt to be near the bottom of the Dance Card “IN”, but never expected them to be the absolutely last team in. Looking at Pitt ‘s position another way, if SMU and L’ville were eligible for the NCAAT, then Pitt would be out. That conclusion makes it look like getting off the Bubble is going to be tougher than in recent years.

Bottom line for Pitt is that they need to win more games than the teams looking to move above them, so it’s impossible to say how many games will be required. Here are their remaining regular season games:

It would be interesting to see what a 3-2 record down the stretch (ie 10-8 conference record) would do for Pitt’s NCAAT chances. 2-3 down the stretch (9-9 in conference) would probably require a Thursday ACCT win to be a lock for a NCAAT bid (or some help from Temple and others).

 

FSU’s three game losing streak has them two games under 0.500 in conference with two weeks left to play….not a good position (confirmed by the Dance Card). Here are their remaining games:

I just got through saying that I don’t like to make predictions, but I don’t like FSU’s chances.

 

Clemson’s two-game, home winning streak against GT and BC hasn’t gotten anyone’s attention. Several weeks ago, I was really optimistic on Clemson’s chances. But their play, especially on the road, has not backed up my optimism. Here’s their remaining schedule:

If Clemson is a NCAAT team, then winning three road games against three of the worst teams in the conference should be an easy task. But Clemson has a lot of ground to make up and we’ll see what we see…

 

CURRENT ACC STANDINGS    

The battle at the top of the conference has gotten a lot more interesting over the last two weeks.

It looks like one of the Techs will miss Tuesday’s ACCT games for the first time since the last conference expansion.

 

UPCOMING GAMES

I’m never surprised when either the winner or loser of an emotional game falls in the next game. Both UNC and Duke face real competition on Saturday, so I’ll be interested to see if they are ready.

L’ville mounted an impressive comeback and eventual beat-down of SYR on Wed. I was wondering if they were going to man-up or fold under the combined pressure of a difficult schedule and the disappointment of no post-season play. This week, they’ve got two more chances to answer that question. Note that the game @Pitt should mean a lot more to Pitt than to L’ville…but I wouldn’t bet much more than a beer (American at that) on Pitt.

I highlighted FSU/Duke because of the importance to FSU. If the game were in Tallahassee, then it might be really interesting. I’m pulling for FSU, but not betting on them.

Wed’s game against State is UNC’s last regular season game that isn’t against a probable NCAAT team. Anyone want to side with Lunardi on predicting a #1 seed for UNC?

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  • #100032
    Heelh8r
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    Well, Lacey made his decision assuming Henderson would be playing. He was on the team and they had practiced together for a year. I don’t think anyone expected Henderson to get hurt and miss the whole year.

    #100033
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Well, Lacey made his decision assuming Henderson would be playing. He was on the team and they had practiced together for a year. I don’t think anyone expected Henderson to get hurt and miss the whole year.

    I cannot imagine whether Henderson was there played into his decision.

    #100034
    MP
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    Technically, the statement “Nor does Cat become the player he is with Lacey here” is true. Cat would simply be capable of having a dozen 25+ point games, instead of required to…

    #100035
    44rules
    Participant

    I think wanting Lacey to come back for the betterment of our team is extremely selfish. I was never under the impression, from things I read on the boards, that he thought he was going to be an NBA draft pick. He just realized he was going to be old for a fifth-year senior, was poor and needed money. Can’t fault him for that, or for the fact that our team sucks this year.

    You go to college to figure out what you want to do in life and then do it. Ripping on a kid pursuing that does not make us look good.

    Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. Mao Zedong

    #100036
    MP
    Participant

    ^ As to that topic – I agree.

    #100041
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    have you forgotten where we were last year? On the edge of competing for an ACC and a national championship, and we would have only been better this year.

    10-8 in conference and tied for 6th place along with a loss on Thursday in the ACCT is not on the “edge” of anything significant. The Sweet 16 was a pleasant surprise, nothing more.

    #100042
    redisgood
    Participant

    It’s only speculation now, but it would have been interesting to see the impact Trevor coming back would have had on Cat. He would still be the PG, but Lacey would have the ball in his hands a lot. Cat would probably also be playing about 5 less minutes a game. I think his points would be down to about 15 or 16, but his assists would be up thanks to feeding Lacey. Overall he wouldn’t be getting the publicity and accolades he is today, but the team would be better.

    Bottom line, we would not have Rowan for sure, Trevor wouldn’t be any more draftable, and Cat would likely be a lower draft choice, or none at all. Finally, it might have caused Cat to come back for his senior year, and potentially Dennis Smith to go elsewhere.

    Okay, one more bold statement. If you gave Mav’s minutes to Trevor, every game we lost by 8 points or less we would have won.

    Alright, all that speculating just gave me a headache. Back to reality.

    #100043
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    The Butterfly Effect is real.

    Lacey stays, and Henderson doesn’t get hurt because he cannot possibly be in the same spot, at the same time…instant depth.

    Somewhere this 2016 State team is kicking ass, and Gottfried is looking pretty good.

    #100045
    choppack1
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    While we’re playing these games…what if Josh Powell would have returned for his junior year? What id Scooter Sherril doesn’t sprain an ankle?

    Injuries happen, as do early departures. In his second season, Gottfried returned 4 starters (and brought in 3 MCD AA’s) from a sweet 16 team…that went to the acc semi-finals and was in within a c-hair of beating unc-ch. The next year he want 11-7 in conference and didn’t win the ACC and lost in the first round.

    Gott will have his chance next year to show that he can lead a talented team to a seed better than an 8 seed in Raleigh.

    #100182
    MrPlywood
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    Grayson Allen, the punchable one, intentionally trips another opponent. Man I really can’t stand that kid.

    Allen trips again

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