Basketball Update – One Month Left

Well, there’s one month left in the regular season and then what’s normally the best time of the college season starts.   While this year hasn’t been much fun for State fans, there is potential for a record number of ACC teams to make the Big Dance. So let’s get to it:

RPI TABLE


Since there are no ACC teams playing Thursday night, I used Thursday morning’s RPI rankings so I could have this entry ready by Friday morning. By the time this is published at SFN, there will have been some small changes because of the Thursday night games, but no relative movement between the ACC teams.

Since ESPN is nice enough to put these numbers in such a convenient format, I include them every week for the convenience of our readers even if there isn’t anything new that I want to discuss. But as it happens, there are several interesting things to tease out since I don’t closely follow any team’s season besides State.

DUKE

I found it interesting that among the 10 ACC teams building a NCAAT resume, Duke had the fewest Top 50 wins (and no Top 25 wins). So just who did they beat?

“*” – Neutral Site

So it’s been two months since Duke’s last Top 50 win. Their best ACC win to date is @GT. Bottom line? That’s not too good.

The other thing that stood out to me was that Duke continues to have the easiest ACC conference schedule. So who have they played and does their schedule get any harder?

So it’s fair to say that their second-half schedule is substantially harder than the first half and they only managed a 5-4 record against the EASIEST ACC SCHEDULE thus far. At present, Duke appears to be headed for their worst regular season in quite some time. (I remember a .500 ACC season but didn’t take the time to nail down the year.) It will be interesting to see if they can recover or not.

UNC

I’ve heard several announcers anoint UNC as the class of the ACC this year. While that may end up being the case, it’s a little premature to make that proclamation based on the results achieved against the SECOND easiest ACC schedule:

Note that their toughest ACC game thus far was also their last game in the first half…and they lost. I’ll save my proclamations for just a while longer.

LOUISVILLE

While UNC’s and Duke’s schedules ramp up in difficulty, neither matches what Louisville is facing:

Note that L’ville’s schedule difficulty actually started ramping up with their last two games in the first half. After getting spanked by UVA, it is good they managed to hold on and beat UNC. Losing two games at home would not have been a good segue into their second-half opponents, where five of the games are on the road…and all of the road games are against teams well on their way to NCAAT bids.

TREND GRAPHS

I’m feeling unusually generous this week, so I expanded the “IN” criteria to include Syracuse. With a winning conference record (after an 0-4 start) along with four Top-50 wins, there is no reason to think that Syracuse wouldn’t be included in any reasonable bracket.

I cropped the first 10 days of January off this week’s bubble graph to help declutter it. If things continue on their current trajectory, I’ll delete the teams that have fallen/falling off the low end next week. If everyone on the first graph manages to stay there, I might drop the Bubble Graph and just show Clemson’s progress through the RPI Rankings.

CLEMSON

Clemson finally moved solidly into the bubble graph this week and should be able to improve their standing beyond their current “slim chance”. Or maybe I should say if they can’t win enough with their remaining schedule to remove all doubt, then they don’t really deserve an at-large bid:

Clemson has seven ACC wins (six against Top-50 teams) and six games remaining against the bottom third of the conference. I said a couple of weeks ago that it didn’t take much optimism to see Clemson ending up with 12 ACC wins. Anything less than 12 would have to be classified as “disappointing” based on how they’ve played since the New Year.

FSU and SYR are in good shape today, but their road is not quite as easy as Clemson’s:

FLORIDA ST

FSU sits at 5-5 in conference and could wrap up a NCAAT bid before the ACCT…but could just as easily fall back into the Bubble region. Time will tell….

SYRACUSE

SYR has six ACC wins in the book. 3+ wins are certainly doable, but not guaranteed.

I find It interesting that FSU and SYR not only play each other twice over the remaining schedule, but finish the regular season playing each other in Tallahassee.

ACC STANDINGS

The top 10 ACC teams have a .500 or better conference record to go along with a minimum of two Top-50 wins. From our days on the Herbble, State fans know that both of those things are very, very good. Of course you need to hold onto that 0.500 record through the remaining month of the regular season.

I’ve always said that the loser of the 8/9 game on Wednesday would have a really hard time getting an at-large NCAAT bid. This year we might see that “really hard” doesn’t mean “impossible”.

VT has finally fallen below 0.500 with their current five-game losing streak. Buzz probably won’t get it done this year, but he’s done a remarkable job turning around the dumpster fire he took over.

UPCOMING GAMES

 

With 10 teams having a realistic chance at the NCAAT, the number of games worth watching has gone up nicely. For the remainder, I’ll check the scores on my phone and try to catch any upsets that are on cable.

State doesn’t have a mid-week game this week. They host WF a week after the Duke game.

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  • #98943
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant

    If anyone cares….in ’06-’07 Duke went 8-8 in conference. This might end up their worst year since then.

    As another “old” Big Four guy — (e.g. the greatest Christmas BBall tourny ever…)

    it’s also worth noting the Devils still have to play the Holes this month…
    although they only play ONE TIME in Swoffy’s new and improved ACC….
    which by all accounts is blaspheme…

    No lie

    My 10 year old could come up with a better system for the ACC scheduling format. It aint hard swoffy

    #98945
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    oh, man. I can’t believe anyone in the stands (I was the student shrieking “LES MUST GO!!!” during by junior and senior years) during the Les era had anything approaching hope. That was some dark, dark shit.

    #98947
    66pack
    Participant

    Since this is now a bitching thread I would like to hear how the experts at this site would evaluate the hiring of Yow. At the time I believe there was much support for this hire and many expressed that we made out better than the Terps. Hmmmm Terps get new AD,join the BIG,both Men and women BB teams in top 10,and FB recruiting in THE BIG better than our recruiting in the ACC.

    #98949
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I think we can all agree this is a throw away year

    I don’t agree, so please do not presume to speak for me or others. I have enjoyed watching this team get better very much and still get excited to watch every game. We have a chance every game we play, and Cat has kept raising his level of play seemingly every game. I do not understand why you feel qualified to keep commenting on the teams play when you say you have not been watching them.

    Your anger is misplaced.

    2-8 tells new this year sucks

    #98950
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Since this is now a bitching thread I would like to hear how the experts at this site would evaluate the hiring of Yow. At the time I believe there was much support for this hire and many expressed that we made out better than the Terps. Hmmmm Terps get new AD,join the BIG,both Men and women BB teams in top 10,and FB recruiting in THE BIG better than our recruiting in the ACC.

    I think results speak for themselves

    #98955
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    it’s also worth noting the Devils still have to play the Holes this month…
    although they only play ONE TIME in Swoffy’s new and improved ACC….
    which by all accounts is blaspheme…

    Duke and UNC are defined rivals. They play Home/home every year.
    Look at UNC/Duke schedules in the entry. This year they play on Feb 17 and March 5.

    The Big 4 have been split up like this since the ACC went to 12 teams:
    Duke – UNC and WF
    UNC – Duke and State
    State – UNC and WF
    WF – State and Duke

    #98956
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant

    Since this is now a bitching thread I would like to hear how the experts at this site would evaluate the hiring of Yow. At the time I believe there was much support for this hire and many expressed that we made out better than the Terps. Hmmmm Terps get new AD,join the BIG,both Men and women BB teams in top 10,and FB recruiting in THE BIG better than our recruiting in the ACC.

    Believe it or not there was a lot of anti-yow feelings the second she was hired for many reasons. A)many people wanted a clean break from anything NCSU related. Start anew essentially. Thats the same reason a lot of people were leery of hiring Purcell. Not sure I agree with it but those vibes were certainly there. B) She wasnt even on the list of the search committee that the school paid for. That is huge to me. C) Her reputation (right or wrong) preceded her and a lot of folks, myself included, didnt want to find out. D) Her rep for spending money that schools didnt have was an issue.

    I think when its all said and done Yow is just going to be another failed AD at NCSU. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot. At the time I was incredibly adamant that Gary Stokan take the job because he is all business and that is what collegiate sports has become. Now that time is long gone.

    But yeah as someone mentioned above, the results kindof speak for themselves

    #98957
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    Your anger is misplaced.

    No anger here. I’m the one watching the games and enjoying them. You’re the one not watching but complaining about the record.

    #98958
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    I’m watching today, anyone else?

    #98959
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    ^Sure. Not a great start. Their defense is bothering us so far. A Pack win today would send Duke to the border of bubble land. It would be a huge boost to us to get a road win and move up toward the middle of the pack.

    #98960
    MP
    Participant

    I’m watching today, anyone else?

    I am. As well as folks over at BTP. We’re hanging in against some good D….

    #98962
    RaisedByWolves
    Participant

    Does Dick Vitale have any plans to retire?

    #98968
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    Grrrr. At least Mav is hitting.

    #98969
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    It would be a huge boost to us to get a road win and move up toward the middle of the pack.

    Just curious, do you actually look at the conference standings?
    A win today puts us in 12th place.

    #98970
    Heelh8r
    Participant

    ^All the time. It says up toward the middle. The teams tied for 5th only have 6 wins.

    #98971
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Only 6 wins, huh? Gee, that’s four more than we have right now. You honestly think we’re winning 6 this season?

    #98974
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    Came back and took the lead briefly, now down 3 with the ball.

    #99004
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    uhhhh, why MD took off? They left this crooked joke of a conference. Good for them.

    #99015
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant

    uhhhh, why MD took off? They left this crooked joke of a conference. Good for them.

    Hell yeah good for them. That had the balls to exit stage left. Something we should have done with Vatech when we had the chance. State will never ever be proactive in anything. We wait until we hit rock bottom before a move is made. See Les, Ocain, Herb, TOB, Gott and the list goes on. Its not our nature for whatever reason.

    #99017
    Rick
    Keymaster

    uhhhh, why MD took off? They left this crooked joke of a conference. Good for them.

    Hell yeah good for them. That had the balls to exit stage left. Something we should have done with Vatech when we had the chance. State will never ever be proactive in anything. We wait until we hit rock bottom before a move is made. See Les, Ocain, Herb, TOB, Gott and the list goes on. Its not our nature for whatever reason.

    We sure didn’t hesitate to toss V.
    But yeah we don’t seem to have strategic leadership in regards to athletics.

    #99018
    phcqmfd
    Participant

    Yow hires
    MBB – B- depends of if we bounce back next year
    M Swim – A
    Wres – A+
    WBB – A-
    1st VB – B that turned to D – fired
    2nd VB – who knows
    Football – B-/C+ depends on next two years

    Overall Yow has been a B, with compared to Lake Gaston she is an A+ on the curve, remember he let a VB coach win 8 ACC matches in 5+ year and get three more

    #99019
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant

    uhhhh, why MD took off? They left this crooked joke of a conference. Good for them.

    Hell yeah good for them. That had the balls to exit stage left. Something we should have done with Vatech when we had the chance. State will never ever be proactive in anything. We wait until we hit rock bottom before a move is made. See Les, Ocain, Herb, TOB, Gott and the list goes on. Its not our nature for whatever reason.

    We sure didn’t hesitate to toss V.
    But yeah we don’t seem to have strategic leadership in regards to athletics.

    True and I get your point but V didnt do himself favors by becoming the AD and trying to sustain his image. In hindsight we should have just demoted him from the AD position and gave him 2 years to get his stuff together. But the order came from the top as I understand it. The political pressure from the governor on down just got too overwhelming. I would love to read a book with an honest account of what actually happened. I have heard numerous times (no way of verifying ) that Dean Smith himself pulled strings to get V kicked out.

    #99023
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Really enjoying the Big 12 basketball season, too.

    #99024
    mak4dpak
    Participant

    Gloom and doom. Guess we should close our athletic programs, since DY is doing such a poor job, with her AD position. We had Sidney, we had Foul up Fowler. We are far better off than we have been in a long time with our athletic programs. This is inclusive of all sports, not solely men’s basketball/football. We certainly can’t be at the top of our game every year, but honestly like the job DY is doing, and look forward to more success in the conference under her leadership.

    #99029
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    RE: Swoffy’s New and Improved ACC….

    Ok….

    It’s Holes in Light Blue on the road at Notre Dame…

    It’s Irish luck…
    It’s on the road…
    But when was the last time ANY Team shot 38 free throws against the baby blues ???

    At the end, the Holes suck it by just 4 …

    Go figure….
    Well… it might have something to do with ALL FIVE Domers getting double figures….

    @Uncle Roy — You cannot win for losing if the kids don’t listen…
    Think about this… you could have been teeing off on the little white ball somewhere warm and sunny, with a cold beer in your cart, instead of teeing off on the zebras and your kids….

    Lmoa….

    Time to go….

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
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