State in the cellar

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Pack falls to 0-3 in the ACC in what is becoming an atrocious year.

For the first time in his tenure, Gottfried has as team who is as bad on offense as is bad has his defense. We just play bad basketball. Period.

It is all about stopping the bleeding at this point. While lowly Wake Forest is in the top 60 of the RPI, NC State currently sits around 110. Don’t get me wrong…I’m not suggesting that the RPI is remotely relevant or should be of any interest for a team that will be lucky to get into the NIT…but, at least it gives us a relative barometer of comparison.

It looks like Coach Gottfried referenced our thin depth in his postgame comments in comments about both (1) fouls, and (2) conditioning.

Gee. Who would have EVER thought that a team with so few scholarship players would have such a problem? I mean, what kind of rocket scientist could have projected that *perhaps* we carry too few scholarship players and could be helped out by having a few more bodies on the bench?

If you care enough to look at the boxscore then it is included here:

Let’s see…what can I think to talk about that won’t get me too upset about last night’s loss? Well…there is this…

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  • 01/11/2016 at 7:20 AM #96686
    StateFans
    Keymaster

    Pack falls to 0-3 in the ACC in what is becoming an atrocious year. For the first time in his tenure, Gottfried has as team who is as bad on offense a
    [See the full post at: State in the cellar]

    01/11/2016 at 7:57 AM #96688
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    So, how much does UNC beat us by? Four touchdowns?

    01/11/2016 at 9:19 AM #96690
    WTNY
    Participant

    Thank goodness we play BC at home.

    01/11/2016 at 9:23 AM #96691
    etab4u
    Participant

    Wake is an improving team under Manning and they have always been hard to beat at home. Having said that, we are not good. No ball movement and don’t shoot well (understatement of the year). Defense requires 5 players all performing and working together. We are not there either. We do not play with confidence.
    Some of this is talent, a lot would seem to be coaching. With the exception of Cat’s steady improvement over the years I don’t see these players or this team picking up the next season where we left off the previous one. That’s disappointing.

    01/11/2016 at 9:47 AM #96692
    PapaJohn
    Participant

    Interesting to see so few comments. I almost didn’t post either.
    I think most of us have realized this season isn’t likely to turn out well and have just decided to focus elsewhere to preserve our sanity. This is rough.

    01/11/2016 at 10:21 AM #96693
    tractor57
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    Looks like a tough year ahead. Even so it is getting to be a tiresome routine (all the way through Gott’s tenure) that the discussion always turns to pitchforks and torches after every loss.

    01/11/2016 at 10:24 AM #96694
    Ttown Wolfman
    Participant

    If Abu gets more confident and starts making those 2 ft chippie shots, this team can move right back into contention for a NCAA berth.

    01/11/2016 at 10:30 AM #96695
    Rick
    Keymaster
    PapaJohn wrote:

    Interesting to see so few comments. I almost didn’t post either.
    I think most of us have realized this season isn’t likely to turn out well and have just decided to focus elsewhere to preserve our sanity. This is rough.

    My guess is apathy will run wild (oxy moron?)

    01/11/2016 at 10:31 AM #96696
    Rick
    Keymaster
    tractor57 wrote:

    Looks like a tough year ahead. Even so it is getting to be a tiresome routine (all the way through Gott’s tenure) that the discussion always turns to pitchforks and torches after every loss.

    Maybe because Gott has coaching flaws that are apparent to everyone except him and I guess you.

    01/11/2016 at 10:33 AM #96697
    StateRed44
    Participant

    Is it just me or is Anya better off being heavier? Is he depressed? Why is he worse than last year?

    01/11/2016 at 10:37 AM #96698
    Classof89
    Participant

    I suggest ya’ll start following the womens team. Coach Moore is the real deal, and I think he’s building a program that is going to be in the top four in ACC in next two years. They are very young and thin at PG, but he’s managed to coach them to a 3-1 start in ACC play, with a huge game this week at Duke (a team that is ranked 18th nationally, but has been somewhat erratic this year).

    01/11/2016 at 10:42 AM #96699
    mowog67
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    In an attempt to stay positive, I believe there was some improvement shown last night. Some signs of better ball movement, a few less ill advised 3s and, IMO, Kirk put in a few good minutes in the first half.

    Still plenty to drive me crazy from individual players and especially coaches, but I’ll hold my tongue on that stuff. This staff has a knack for getting the team playing it’s best ball late. Likely going to be too little, too late this year but I’ll just wait and see and hope they earn some respect along the way.

    01/11/2016 at 10:43 AM #96700
    StateRed44
    Participant

    I’d rather follow a different men’s team than follow our women’s basketball team. No thanks. That’s not gonna cure your sports jones.

    01/11/2016 at 11:02 AM #96701
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    ’44…Ask and you shall receive. Go crazy, wildman.

    01/11/2016 at 11:38 AM #96702
    Fan4life1
    Participant

    Agreed. Players with high promise that sign here and play here don’t improve after arriving here. They are what they are… that has to say something about our program.

    01/11/2016 at 11:50 AM #96703
    Pack1997
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    I live in Winston so I go to a lot of Wake games. They are a good young team. Manning is building a solid program. A good coach is one who works with the talent he has, which we have not done. Our best team on the floor is the Martin twins Cat, Rowan and a big. Our spacing is terrible and we don’t have anyone other than Cat who can create. We lacked intensity throughout the game. Most State fans were guiet even when we made runs to tie or take the lead. It’s clear the fan base sees this as what it is, a crappy year.

    While I haven’t been a fan of those talking an suggesting we go after Archie, I do think we need a new direction. The talent gap only gets worse next year, and I would rather bring someone in to stop the bleeding than bleed out.

    01/11/2016 at 11:55 AM #96704
    StateRed44
    Participant

    Sign up the guy with the Afro. No takers on what’s wrong with BJ? As Trump says, “He’s low energy”. Unlock the dang frig again.

    01/11/2016 at 1:26 PM #96717
    tractor57
    Participant

    “Maybe because Gott has coaching flaws that are apparent to everyone except him and I guess you. ”

    Rick you miss my point entirely. I did not say the negative posts were not warranted. What I’m saying is there has been a pattern for a LONG time – actually going back to that guy we do not mention. So I know what to expect. Maybe that is why participation is down.

    01/11/2016 at 1:40 PM #96719
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    More likely, mediocre to poor results on the court/field reduce most people’s enthusiasm for further discussion.

    01/11/2016 at 1:51 PM #96721
    Rick
    Keymaster
    tractor57 wrote:

    “Maybe because Gott has coaching flaws that are apparent to everyone except him and I guess you. ”

    Rick you miss my point entirely. I did not say the negative posts were not warranted. What I’m saying is there has been a pattern for a LONG time – actually going back to that guy we do not mention. So I know what to expect. Maybe that is why participation is down.

    Given you say this has been going on a long time, why would people all of a sudden now stop if they were tired of it? Possible I guess but very coincidental given the performance we have seen from both teams this year. BTW the other sites are just as “negative”. Its possible people are simply sick of NCSU sports all together. Given I watched a grand total of five minutes of the game last night and almost none of the bowl game I can tell you my desire to watch NCSU sports is at an all time low.

    But you could be right, maybe some are tired of the “negative” posts even though it is nothing new.

    01/11/2016 at 1:52 PM #96722
    tractor57
    Participant

    VA a valid point going back to whatshisname. But there is a recurring theme. For example long ago I quit checking here after any loss right after that loss. The opposite is true after a win but I still usually do not read right after a game.

    01/11/2016 at 2:35 PM #96725
    Prowling Woofie
    Participant

    Maybe it’s an indictment of AAU ball, or high school ball, or both, but I am dismayed as a life-long rec ball player who coached several years in my sons’ youth ball leagues. I didn’t play in the NBA, or even college. Yet, I get extremely frustrated at the lack of fundamental basketball being displayed on the court over the last several years.

    I guess “modern” basketball is slamming down thunderous dunks or jacking up threes, period. I don’t see any ball movement, any player movement, any pick and rolls, any low block post ups, no drop steps, no back door cuts (or even back screens), and very few attempts at a high-low post up with our bigs.

    I don’t see how scholarships can be given to players that don’t know how to play the game, how these kids arrive on campus with no knowledge of fundamental offensive moves/principles, and how they can make it to the beginning of the season without being taught or expected to display said fundamentals.

    Leads to a “game” that is not worth watching.

    You either luck into a group of athletic freaks, or you have to coach your ass off. This year, we have the privilege of watching Cat Barber. What he is doing is simply phenomenal. That may be all we get.

    01/11/2016 at 2:44 PM #96728
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Yes, what Cat is doing is phenomenal. He’s unstoppable.

    But I am going to say this knowing the flak is coming, but his play is doing the TEAM no favors. That’s not on Cat. That’s squarely on the staff. He’s doing whatever he can to keep is in games, and without him we’d be lucky to have won a game. But everybody is just standing around watching the Cat show, and it’s not good for the future of this program.

    01/11/2016 at 2:48 PM #96729
    wolfpack92owen
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    Wulfpack wrote:

    Yes, what Cat is doing is phenomenal. He’s unstoppable.

    But I am going to say this knowing the flak is coming, but his play is doing the TEAM no favors. That’s not on Cat. That’s squarely on the staff. He’s doing whatever he can to keep is in games, and without him we’d be lucky to have won a game. But everybody is just standing around watching the Cat show, and it’s not good for the future of this program.

    I dont agree with you and I am certainly not going to give you flak as I can kindof see your point. I like that about him truthfully. Shame its wasted on this year.

    As I have said a few times before he is going to hit the proverbial wall or get hurt if he keeps up the pace and style he has been playing. Nobody can sustain what he is doing with the hard checks, hard fouls etc and not pay a price for it especially in the meat of the ACC season.

    01/11/2016 at 2:55 PM #96730
    Prowling Woofie
    Participant

    No flak from me – I agree. He’s doing what he has to do, because the coaching staff hasn’t done its duty to prepare the other players to contribute.

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