Beyond the bye, into The Abyss

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If — after that miserable showing in Blacksburg — you’re looking past the bye week for some kind of promise for this season, then I envy your naïveté.

For those of you seeing promise in the 3-0 Wake win at Boston College, just remember that Pitt beat Virginia Tech 10-7 last week.

After the desperately-needed bye week, State goes to the abyss called Winston-Salem, where a win would require divine intervention, because in the physical universe we occupy, it appears as impossible as accountability by The Flagship.

Here’s some (depressing) trivia for you: the last two State QBs to win in Winston-Salem are Philip Rivers (2001) and Terry Harvey (1995).

Not Jamie Barnette (1997, 1999), not Jay Davis or Marcus Stone (who both tried in 2005), not Daniel Evans (2007), not Russell Wilson (2009), not Mike Glennon (2011) and not Pete Thomas (2013).

State has a single win in Winston-Salem in the past two decades, and that was way back in 2001.

And many of those losses were some of our worst of that season — you may recall that 2003 loss the week before going to Columbus was one of Philip’s worst of his career.

I’m not here to analyze it, because it defies all logic and borders the surreal.

But after two ugly losses to open ACC play, we desperately need a win in Winston-Salem. Partly, for any chance to salvage the season, but mostly to start the process of shaking our suffocating fatalism, which is always lurking, even during the (increasingly rare) good times.

From a simpler perspective, we’ve just lost what appeared going into October to have been two of the more winnable games on our league schedule. After Wake, we have Top 10 Clemson at home, and then trips to Boston College (0-5 in Chestnut Hill since they joined the ACC in 2005) and then at Top 10 Florida State. Then we end the season with a who-knows Syracuse and current Coastal favorite, Carolina.

I’ve seen comments about the disappointment of being 7-5 again. Based on what we’ve seen so far, I think we need to be more concerned about finding that fifth win.

Because an impossible win in Winston-Salem may be our best shot at avoiding another 0-8 conference season.

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  • 10/15/2015 at 12:53 PM #90517
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Two teams without their starting QB beat us and we are blaming the loss of a corner back?

    10/15/2015 at 1:01 PM #90518
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    No. No one blamed the loss of a cornerback. No one blamed anyone or anything. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that no one even mentioned a cornerback.

    What was being discussed was the injury to a safety, the leader of the defense who called the plays and made the pre snap adjustments. What was discussed was insight as to what prompted the sudden momentum change and factors that contributed to the defense giving up 21 points in the 2nd quarter after shutting them down in the first.

    It was explicitly noted, on several occasions, that it did NOT explain the offensive issues that were major contributors to the loss.

    Feel free to continue to play your game, though. But from your post the other day, I thought you were making yourself scarce because of all this drivel.

    10/15/2015 at 1:12 PM #90519
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Btw, unrelated – for those wondering about Bo Hines, he had 6 receptions for 68 yds in Game 1 before going out with a shoulder injury. According to a recap of Yale’s last game, he hasn’t play since.

    10/15/2015 at 1:31 PM #90522
    Rick
    Keymaster
    tjfoose1 wrote:

    Feel free to continue to play your game, though. But from your post the other day, I thought you were making yourself scarce because of all this drivel.

    Actually, since you seem to want to clarify things, I said I rarely post anymore. And you are right your acidic drivel is one of the reason.

    10/15/2015 at 2:32 PM #90524
    Wolfanatic
    Participant

    I’d say that Pratt’s play overall was very germane to the loss.

    10/15/2015 at 2:50 PM #90525
    ryebread
    Participant

    There was plenty of blame to go around in that last loss. We can’t lay it all on one guy who was pressed into service and as unprepared (for whatever reason that is). I don’t think anyone is.

    If anything, having one guy go down and cause that sort of impact just shows you where the program is. The replacement is either too young, not prepared mentally, not knowledgeable enough, doesn’t have the right physical assets, hasn’t had enough real reps to handle the pressure or some combination of these factors (and maybe something else).

    To me, that’s also a sign of youth. In college or high school football, when your best talent is young, then I think the team is going to struggle. The NFL is different and that’s more position by position.

    What that also tells me is that we may be in for a bumpy year next year as well. Even if we come on strong late in recruiting (which I kind of expect we will), those guys are going to be young. People should keep this in mind when thinking about their expectations for the season.

    Note, this isn’t the UNC spin of the consistently youngest team in America. I don’t hear (at least at this point), the staff saying that. It’s just something to be mindful of — the recruiting class rankings based on graduation year, and the notable differences in those rankings by year.

    10/15/2015 at 3:22 PM #90526
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    scarce
    adjective
    scarc·er, scarc·est
    Insufficient to meet a demand or requirement; short in supply: Fresh vegetables were scarce during the drought.
    Hard to find; absent or rare: Steel pennies are scarce now except in coin shops.

    10/15/2015 at 3:23 PM #90527
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    And you are right your acidic drivel is one of the reason.

    I understand, you don’t like it when people don’t agree with you. And it has been a while since you’ve been a d!ck around here, so it musta been tough on you. It’s ok, I can handle it. Get it all out.

    10/15/2015 at 3:30 PM #90528
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    To me, that’s also a sign of youth. In college or high school football, when your best talent is young, then I think the team is going to struggle.

    It takes 3-4 years to establish a new culture and consistent leadership to develop. On the latter, losing Jacoby will hurt, but if the coaches are doing their job, the void will be filled. Next year will be more telling. Yow will extend the contract or cut bait by end of 2017.

    10/15/2015 at 3:36 PM #90529
    Rick
    Keymaster
    tjfoose1 wrote:

    And it has been a while since you’ve been a d!ck around here

    Wish I could say the same about you.

    10/15/2015 at 4:13 PM #90531
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    I don’t think this is getting enough attention. Without the injury, State beats VT.

    – foose

    No. No one blamed the loss of a cornerback. No one blamed anyone or anything

    – foose

    This level of contradiction coming from someone so hell bent on “facts”.

    And by the way, not a single person in this thread has called for DD to be fired now or at the end of the season. Being called out for looking like your in over your head in the woeful ACC the past 3 seasons doesn’t equate to calling for a termination. I’m well aware that would hurt the program. Here’s to hoping DD is capable of learning from experience and adapting.

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    10/15/2015 at 6:16 PM #90532
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    This level of contradiction coming from someone so hell bent on “facts”.

    Hi Troll, how you doing?

    I see no contradiction. I never laid BLAME. I said one does not happen without the other. Perhaps it’s a nuance you don’t understand.

    It started a sequence of cascading events that never start w/o the injury. Sometimes things are a little more complicated than a simple linear AB equation. There’s a difference between cause and effect, cascading events, and BLAME.

    And by the way, not a single person in this thread has called for DD to be fired now or at the end of the season.

    True. What’s your point?

    10/15/2015 at 6:25 PM #90535
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Wish I could say the same about you

    Oh well, we can’t have everything we want.

    But you’ve made comments yourself, as have other admins, albeit in a friendly jab sort of way, that being such seems to be somewhat of a common occurrence with you, almost to a point of being a character trait.

    There was a time when it seemed you had gotten into a pages long pissing contest with almost every regular poster on this site. You frequently poked and prodded as if actively and intentionally trying to get something started. That was the ‘game’ I was referencing. It’s was all too recognizable.

    Anyway, I was just acknowledging the lapse.

    10/15/2015 at 6:33 PM #90536
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Being called out for looking like your in over your head in the woeful ACC the past 3 seasons

    Point of information, and only that. Not a jab. Doeren has only been on the job the PAST 2 seasons and for half the CURRENT season. That’s a big difference if doing a coaching assessment, and also important in that he’s only had 2 full recruiting classes.

    10/15/2015 at 7:15 PM #90542
    tractor57
    Participant

    This pissing contest is why my coming here are becoming rare.

    10/15/2015 at 7:54 PM #90544
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    10/15/2015 at 9:02 PM #90545
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Paki…best efforts can’t hide what is just below the surface.

    Like a blocked pore,the zit must form.

    …Or, one might use the analogy…

    “Some pots don’t have the slightest clue that they are black.” White would work,but who’s got a white kettle?

    10/15/2015 at 9:05 PM #90546
    mak4dpak
    Participant

    Crossland Studios is a nice place to stay. Been there before, and approx. 2 miles or less from the stadium, in case anyone was considering staying there. Hate to wait a week for the game, but it will be worth it with a win. Hope the Deacs can find a way to knock off those holes, in Chapel Hell, this weekend.

    10/16/2015 at 7:32 AM #90551
    Rick
    Keymaster
    TheAliasTroll wrote:

    I don’t think this is getting enough attention. Without the injury, State beats VT.

    – foose

    No. No one blamed the loss of a cornerback. No one blamed anyone or anything

    – foose

    This level of contradiction coming from someone so hell bent on “facts”.

    And by the way, not a single person in this thread has called for DD to be fired now or at the end of the season. Being called out for looking like your in over your head in the woeful ACC the past 3 seasons doesn’t equate to calling for a termination. I’m well aware that would hurt the program. Here’s to hoping DD is capable of learning from experience and adapting.

    LOL. Someone got nailed.

    10/16/2015 at 10:03 AM #90558
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    I see no contradiction. I never laid BLAME. I said one does not happen without the other. Perhaps it’s a nuance you don’t understand.

    I bet you don’t. You’re just so far more advanced than anyone else that words and their meaning no longer even apply to you. You’re certainly special. lol just stop

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    10/16/2015 at 10:10 AM #90559
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    That’s probably enough for this thread.

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