While The Wolfpack Basks In Victory, UNC Players Are Calling Each Other Out

A 19th century politician once quipped “to the victors belong the spoils,” and in the case of area college football, NC State is the clear victor: in 2015, they soundly whipped their arch rival to end the regular season, they returned to bowl eligibility, they are the only local team to win their post-season game, and the only one with clear momentum heading into next season.

The spoils of all of that?  Dave Doeren has definitely solidified his tenure and his program here, something that can only boost recruiting, and his team has the peace of mind that it can get the job done and that next year, they can even do a better one.  That’s a marked contrast from what another local school is feeling right now, and for State’s football program and its fans, those are sweet spoils indeed.

2014 Marks A Turnaround For The Pack

Admittedly, 2014 was not a high water mark for NC State football, but considering where they were going into the season, this team accomplished some great things.  They were an afterthought at best in the summer, but they turned around a three win season with no conference victories in 2013 to a winning record and with good players returning next year.

In short, with all things said and done, NC State exceeded expectations and shut down and made foolish comments like those from USA Today’s Paul Myerberg, who stated last June that “N.C. State isn’t good – no, not good – but don’t be surprised if the Wolfpack sneak into bowl eligibility. … N.C. State should win five games with this schedule, but this team has no discernible strengths whatsoever.”

They did that, and more, having settled bowl eligibility before going to Chapel Hill, taking the brash Heels to class, and then winning its bowl game with a solid performance on both sides of the ball — after being labeled as the underdog heading into the game.  NC State also showed exceptional improvement at quarterback, in the defensive secondary, along both lines and even along the sidelines, where coaches also made improvements in their play-calling and game management.

Not bad for a team with “no discernible strengths.”  That’s not to say that NC State is poised to burst onto the national scene as a ready-made replacement for FSU or Oregon, but they are making strides, and they were a better team than expected in 2014.

2015 looks good on paper right now, despite some losses to graduation and an unexpected transfer, the Wolfpack program has players in their system to replace those that are leaving, and by NC State standards, recruiting to fill other gaps is going well.  All that said, State is an an upward trajectory, and the program has restored itself quite nicely and has a clear path forward into next year that may lead to even better things.

On the other side of the Triangle: “Videri Magis Quam Esse.”

Meanwhile, things fell apart miserably in 2014 for Larry Fedora and his UNC Tar Heels.  With a preseason ranking and listed as one of the favorites to win the ACC Coastal Division, Carolina crash-landed yesterday to finish 6-7 and far behind Duke, NC State and even East Carolina in terms of their position in the state of North Carolina.  That’s a far-cry from being a dark-horse contender to get into the national title playoff, something that some pundits were claiming as a possibility for the perennially “sleeping giant” of college football.

In other words, videri magis quam esse: to seem, rather than to be.

Yesterday, UNC showed what it is really is. In their smoldering aftermath of what-could have-been yesterday, Carolina players can’t turn on each other fast enough: “”You can tell from the looks on a lot of guys’ faces, a lot of guys don’t care,” said [UNC] quarterback Marquise Williams.

Given the advantages of being a Carolina athlete, namely the education and all of the perqs that go with it, that’s just sad.

Maybe that’s Williams’ leadership filtering through his team.  On November 29th, in the second half and on the short end of what was to end as a 35-7 loss, Williams looked shell-shocked and more than a bit apathetic himself.  Nor did he look the picture of pep and energy against Rutgers, and he hardly gave the fans the image of the unfazed leader gamely leading his charges back into battle.

Tar Heel receiver Ryan Switzer added “we’ve got some soul-searching to do. A lot of guys need to really figure out whether they really want to be here or not.”

When the best players of your team are saying that, trouble can’t be far behind.  When you point your finger at a large group and claim superiority in public, discontent in that group usually follows. Switzer may discover that he will get exactly the opposite effect he intended: if you think they don’t care now, just wait.  The best thing he could have done was to say what he did in a private team meeting and not to reporters.

For his part, Larry Fedora may think the future is bright — he said so after the Quick Lane Bowl defeat — but the truth is that he’s probably going to be coaching for his job next year.  If things end up this time next year as they stand today, he’ll probably join the list of folks looking for a new sideline to patrol on game day.

Thing is, it’s not really all that difficult: if they are serious about turning their fortunes around, they could start by emulating their nearest rivals: by rolling their sleeves, doing the hard unpleasant work that it takes to build a good team and by not talking about how good they are in the meantime.  They could start that process by having their leadership stop airing their dirty laundry in the press about how they care but other anonymous players don’t.  That doesn’t build morale, it destroys it.  It doesn’t salve the feelings of disappointed supporters but it does provide high comedy for rival fans.

Meanwhile, NC State needs to keep doing what it did this season: working hard, believing in itself quietly, and continuing to grow.  Dave Doeren has done a Herculean job in resurrecting a program left for dead in the aftermath of Tom O’Brien’s departure, and considering everything, he’s done a great job of developing solid players and recruiting to his system.  All signs point to exactly that happening, and unlike UNC, those signs have an even brighter future for NC State football than this turn-around year that saw them finish 8-5.

Feeling Satisfied As A Fan

Speaking strictly as an NC State fan, I am glad we’re not in UNC’s position right now, and I am not talking about their never-ending academic, err, athletics department scandal.  Instead, I am talking about the disarray in their football program.  For them, it looks like a bad thing is about to get worse.

And for us, the future looks pretty bright.  See you next spring, Pack football.  You did us proud on many fronts.  Above all, you did it the right way and you did it with class.  You hit the books and you didn’t hit the police blotter.  When there was a discipline problem here or there, the coaches handled it swiftly and appropriately.  The hard work in the weight room , in the film room and on the practice field became more and more apparent as the year went on, and it was clear you were learning your lessons and applying them well.  That’s the NC State Way, something also known as “the right way to go about it.”

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  • #67250
    JackWolf
    Keymaster

    awesome post Alpha.

    #67252
    Mike
    Participant

    I dont think anyone is saying we had a successful season because the boys in baby blue (although now seems black or navy are their primary football colors) are struggling.

    We finished 8-5. a marked improvement over 3-9. We can sit here all day long and say “what-if” – what if the GA Southern QB had not fumbled on the 1 yard lone. What if Pharoah had not had the pick 6 against the Cuse, so what? It happnened and we won the games.

    Look at it another way – what if it had not rained a gully washer against BC? What if we did not give up a fumble for TD against GT? We actually were toe to toe with GT and had the momentum until the crucial events of the 2nd qtr, at which point we were totally demoralized. What if we dont drop a pass against FSU to keep a drive alive, or protect Jacoby just once in the critical time FSU made their rush? What if Dabo had waited a couple more weeks to insert a new QB? What if Karl Hess had not T’d up Gott – those two free throws early were the difference in a one point game. What-if what-if what-if?

    As for the rough times in Orange County, we State fans only gloat because of the irony of the of “the Carolina Way”. We gloat because Swofford not only was involved but has done everything he can to help them through this process – what has he done for other conference schools in trouble? Nothing.

    #67253
    Gowolves
    Participant

    Mc,

    State may not be the hotbed of coaches but coaches don’t jump ship like they used to. I think coaches stay longer in general if they are having success. Look no farther than Boise st. They held on their coach for a while. Once they started to struggle in recruiting he looked to Washington. Miss St and Ole Miss are in arguably the best conference and have been the punching bags of the SEC for a long time. Their coaches could have jumped at offers after year end but they didn’t. I am not comparing the ACC to the SEC but if DD gets the ball rolling and has a little luck then who knows. Clemson lost Morris in to SMU. Jamies leaves FSU this year. State is one of youngest teams in the nation. If Duke can catch lightening in the bottle three straight years there is no reason why State can’t. Not saying they will but is not as far fetched as one would believe.

    #67254
    Gowolves
    Participant

    Always love it when someone says if we hadn’t had those turnovers we would have won the game. Really???

    Don’t you realize that is part of football! Protect the pigskin.

    #67255
    Mike
    Participant

    Gowolves, if you are referring to my comment – I agree wholeheartedly. Turnovers ARE a big part of the game and I was making silly “what-if” comments. We can make what if comments for or against, but the point is that what if is totally irrelevant. The plays against GA So and Cuse happened and we won.

    #67257
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    State beat the lucky sperm club (wake forest), Syracuse, and the tar holes; hardly the basis to proclaim a resurgence of State’s fortunes. Close as a pubic to Monica’s lips, the Pack was awful close to dropping a game it had in hand the other night.

    How can you not be thrilled with 8 wins, a beat down of UNC in Chapel Hill, and a bowl win? You would have to be looking for reasons to complain about those results after a 3-win season.

    So while I wouldn’t have worded it exactly like McCallum, I mostly agree with his take. The Sagarain rankings for State’s last four wins were against:

    101 – Syracuse
    128 – Wake Forest
    78 – UNC
    61 – UCF

    Those wins simply are not enough for me to start make grossly optimistic claims about next year. (Shocking huh?) State was only 3-5 in conference play with all five losses coming at 12 points or greater (with several embarrassing ones as well). So while I’m extremely happy for the results this year, I see no reason to think that State will seriously contend with the top of the conference next year.

    Sagarin Rankings:
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2014/conference/

    #67260
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Va…They seriously contended with them this year.

    I have no reason to believe they won’t in 2015.

    #67261
    Gowolves
    Participant

    While it is always tough to predict what will happen next year based on this past years results there is really nothing else to help to predict what will happen. Players will transfer, injuries will happen (for State and opponents). Just a lot of unknowns. What we do know is that State beat the teams they were supposed to this year. That tells me that DD has the minds and the hearts of the players. Also this being a young team DD could have lost them after the beatings they took against the better teams in the conference. Especially the Clemson and the Ga Tech game. He didn’t. Someone posted on this website that the Pack was the only team that played every team the ACC had in the top twenty five at year end. There were some other telling stats that only the this team had to endure. I do have high hopes for these players and the coaching staff.

    Yes I have been a pack fan for forty years and I am aware of NCSh*t and our history as being average at best in football. I just choose to believe this could be the beginning of some good football years.

    #67263
    redisgood
    Participant

    I had a few beers yesterday with a friend of mine while watching the Panthers destroy the Falcons. The guy is an ECU grad, and a hard core Pirate fan. I have never known him to say anything good about State football, yet yesterday he expressed admiration in the direction our program is headed and envy with the coach we have in place. He wasn’t even drunk yet. That is good enough for me.

    #67272
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Va…They seriously contended with them this year.

    They were only within 2 TD’s in one of the conference losses.
    I don’t consider that contending. YMMV

    #67286
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    🙂

    EOTB

    #67287
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Someone is bound to ask or be wondering, so …

    ‘YMMV’ = ‘Your Mileage May Vary’

    ‘EOTB’ = ‘Eye Of The Beholder’

    In my role of self-appointed site historian, it is my duty to help solve these great riddles (I jest).

    #67288
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    We did not contend with Clemson. That one was over the first three minutes. Great efforts against FSU and Louisville. But to really take that next step, we can’t have that loss to BC. It was a very good season. I wouldn’t expect those top guns to take a step back. They’ve got it rolling pretty good. We are clearly taking steps forward.

    #67289
    Since74
    Participant

    I was rolling those two over in my mind trying to figure it out and only coming up with

    YMMV= You Move My (well nevermind) and
    EOTB= End Of The Bench (as in a dismissal or temporary banishment)

    Either way didn’t really quite work

    I’ve found this site http://www.netlingo.com/acronyms.php very helpful since the last time wufpup had to spell out an internet acronym for me. …. and thanks again for that.

    #67294
    McCallum
    Participant

    A few items:

    1) Thanks to Alpha for writing the piece.

    2) I’m not poo pooing the victories.

    3) I’m not into hypotheticals.

    4) Making the holes a measuring stick for success de facto elevates their program despite reality.

    5) State will get better by good coaching, decent recruiting, low transfer numbers and plenty of red shirting.

    The reality of State football is below average, having four other D1 schools in the state does nothing to grow the fan base.

    Suck it up boys, you picked a hard row to plow.

    McCallum

    #67297
    PackFamily
    Participant

    I wouldn’t expect those top guns to take a step back.

    As evidenced by Clemson laying the wood to Oklahoma right now in the Russell Athelic Bowl… with their backup QB

    #67322
    budfox88
    Participant

    1) Great column, good lesson in “can’t we just say, great job this year” and simply focus on the positives for a little while.
    2) If you can’t consistently take pleasure in ANY KIND OF TARHOLE rundown/dumpsterfire then you haven’t been a State fan long enough! Pleasure in this stuff does not equal lowering our expectations. It’s just FUN dude!!!!!

    #67484
    ancsu87
    Participant

    1) Great column, good lesson in “can’t we just say, great job this year” and simply focus on the positives for a little while.<br>
    2) If you can’t consistently take pleasure in ANY KIND OF TARHOLE rundown/dumpsterfire then you haven’t been a State fan long enough! Pleasure in this stuff does not equal lowering our expectations. It’s just FUN dude!!!!!

    Could not agree more. Should not be so complicated.

    #67633
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Big DC hire in Gene Chizik.

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