NC State Football By The Numbers – Post Presbyterian Edition

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Here are the stats and national rankings after the Presbyterian shutout at Carter-Finley.

Before the stats, the latest on the National and ACC championship belts.
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National Heavyweight Championship: Oklahoma came back with a strong 2nd half to beat my beloved Mountaineers 45-33 to retain their championship belt. The Sooners will next defend their belt on October 4 at TCU.

ACC Heavyweight Championship: Florida State beat Clemson 23-17 on OT to retain their ACC title belt in a game featuring more Jameis Winston hijinks and Clemson pulling yet another Clemson. And I think we all know who has the next title shot.

Team Stats – ACC & National Rank in Parentheses

Offense
Scoring Offense: 40.3 (3, 31)
Total Offense: 502.0 (1, 25)
Rushing Offense: 248.8 (6, 24)
Passing Offense: 253.3 (6, 53)

Passing Efficiency: 159.75 (1, 18)
Interceptions Thrown: 2 (5, 32)
3rd Down Pct: 56.0% (2, 9)
4th Down Pct: 50.0% (11, 62)
Red Zone Offense: 88.9% (6, 39)
First Downs Offense: 105 (1, 9)
Sacks Allowed: 1.0 (5, 22)
Tackles For Loss Allowed: 2.0 (1, 1)
Turnovers Lost: 3 (3, 18)

Defense
Scoring Defense: 18.5 (4, 23)
Total Defense: 338.3 (8, 36)
Rushing Defense: 158.5 (9, 72)
Passing Defense: 179.8 (8, 26)

Passing Efficiency Defense: 119.28 (8, 53)
Interceptions: 3 (7, 50)
3rd Down Pct Defense: 44.1% (11, 90)
4th Down Pct Defense: 62.5% (11, 79)
Red Zone Defense: 75.0% (6, 33)
First Downs Defense: 70 (7, 54)
Sacks: 1.75 (11, 78)
Tackles For Loss: 5.3 (10, 88)
Turnovers Gained: 6 (10, 47)

Other
Turnover Margin: 0.75 (3, 34)
Punting: 45.09 (1, 3)
Fewest Penalties Per Game: 4.25 (3, 18)
Fewest Penalty Yards Per Game: 33.25 (2, 14)
Time Of Possession: 29:28 (9, 69)
Kickoff Returns: 25.40 (4, 18)
Kickoff Return Defense: 16.55 (2, 14)
Punt Returns: 4.56 (12, 101)
Punt Return Defense: 4.0 (1, 30)

Attendance
Total: 164,071 (2, 20)
Average: 54,960 (4, 34)
Pct Capacity: 94.98% (5, 42)

Schedule Strength
Past Opposition: 4-2 .667 (5, 27)
Future Opposition: 12-8 .600 (8, 45)
Cumulative Opposition: 16-10 .615 (6, 39)

Individual Stat Leaders

Rushing
Shadrach Thornton: 42 att, 283 yds, 6.7 avg, 5 TD
Matt Dayes: 35 att, 267 yds, 7.6 avg, 3 TD
Tony Creecy: 26 att, 170 yds, 6.5 avg
Jacoby Brissett: 23 att, 118 yds, 5.1 avg, 1 TD
Dakwa Nichols: 11 att, 66 yds, 6.0 avg

Passing
Jacoby Brissett: 83-119, 1005 yds, 10 TD, 1 Int, 69.7% comp pct, 166.74 rating
Garrett Leatham: 1-5, 8 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int, 20.0% comp pct, -6.56 rating

Receiving
Bo Hines: 16 rec, 209 yds, 13.1 avg
Matt Dayes: 14 rec, 185 yds, 13.2 avg, 3 TD
Marquez Valdes-Scantling: 12 rec, 164 yds, 13.7 avg, 1 TD
Bra’Lon Cherry: 11 rec, 97 yds, 8.8 avg, 3 TD
David J. Grinnage: 9 rec, 97 yds, 10.8 avg

Punt Returns
Bra’Lon Cherry: 4 ret, 36 yds, 9.0 avg
Bo Hines: 3 ret, 9 yds, 3.0 avg

Kickoff Returns
Matt Dayes: 5 ret, 127 yds, 25.4 avg

Field Goals
Niklas Sade: 2-5 (.400), long of 41

Extra Points
Niklas Sade: 21-21 (1.000)

Punting
Wil Baumann: 11 punts, 50.2 avg, long of 67

Kickoffs
Niklas Sade: 28 KO, 64.5 avg, 13 touchbacks

Fumbles
Bra’Lon Cherry: 1 fumble, 0 lost
Shadrach Thornton: 1 fumble, 0 lost
TEAM: 2 fumbles, 1 lost

Tackles
Jerod Fernandez: 35
Hakim Jones: 28
Rodman Noel: 24
Dravious Wright: 22
Monty Nelson: 14
Josh Jones: 14

Tackles For Loss
Rodman Noel: 3
Mike Rose: 3
Thomas Teal: 3
T.Y. McGill: 2

Sacks
Thomas Teal: 2
Mike Rose: 1
Monty Nelson: 1
Joe Wright: 1
Art Norman: 1
Kenton Gibbs: 1

Interceptions
Rodman Noel: 1
Josh Jones: 1
Jack Tocho: 1

Forced Fumbles
Monty Nelson: 1
Brandon Pittman: 1
Thomas Teal: 1
Dravious Wright: 1
Mike Rose: 1

Fumbles Recovered
Monty Nelson: 1
Brandon Pittman: 1
Thomas Teal: 1

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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  • 09/23/2014 at 10:00 AM #56855
    WV Wolf
    Keymaster

    Here are the stats and national rankings after the Presbyterian shut out at Carter-Finley. Before the stats, the latest on the National and ACC champi
    [See the full post at: NC State Football By The Numbers – Post Presbyterian Edition]

    09/23/2014 at 2:03 PM #56864
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Turnovers Lost: 3 (3, 18)
    Turnover Margin: 0.75 (3, 34)

    Punting
    Wil Baumann: 11 punts, 50.2 avg, long of 67

    That’s good stuff right there.

    09/23/2014 at 2:32 PM #56865
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    3rd Down Pct Defense: 44.1% (11, 90)
    4th Down Pct Defense: 62.5% (11, 79)

    This right here will cost State games.

    09/23/2014 at 2:45 PM #56866
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Thanks for putting this together.

    Tackles For Loss Allowed: 2.0 (1, 1)
    Who are those uglies and what have you done with our OL?

    Bra’Lon Cherry: 1 fumble, 0 lost
    Shadrach Thornton: 1 fumble, 0 lost
    TEAM: 2 fumbles, 1 lost
    Is there a typo here or is there something I don’t understand?

    09/23/2014 at 2:49 PM #56867
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Grey, I’m pretty sure they missed one of Cherry’s 2 fumbles on the punt returns in the USF game. If I recall correctly he fumbled it twice, the first he recovered the second he lost.

    09/23/2014 at 3:32 PM #56868
    WV Wolf
    Keymaster

    The USF boxscore lists the fumbles as: FUMBLES: NC State-TEAM 2-1.

    09/23/2014 at 9:21 PM #56873
    choppack1
    Participant

    Jigs – good point on 3rd down numbers. Got to get off the field.

    Impressive offensive #s…hopefully our o will hold up vs. Improved competition…. I hate we have the schedule we have. Our team will be exhausted once BC comes to town.

    09/23/2014 at 10:04 PM #56874
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Boys. A muffed punt is a team turnover.

    09/23/2014 at 10:05 PM #56875
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Red Zone Defense: 75.0% (6, 33)

    Somebody explain to me, please, how Red Zone Defense is calculated, Presbyterian didn’t score so it can’t be based on scoring. I would have thought that the RZD would have been 100% since Presby didn’t score.

    09/24/2014 at 1:11 AM #56876
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    Cumulative stats for all games played.
    Opp have been in the red zone 12 times and have scored 9 times (5TD/4FG).

    09/24/2014 at 2:58 AM #56877
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Red zone defense is the percentage the offense reaches the red zone (<= 20 yd line) and does NOT score.

    If I remember correctly, PC reached the red zone only once and did not score, thus the NC State red zone defense for the PC game is 100%.

    If PC had reached the red zone 4 times and scored (FG or TD) only once, the ‘Pack’s red zone defense would be 75% while PC’s red zone offense would be 25%.

    Some use opponents’ RZ scores as the stat while other’s use RZ defense. Doeren uses the latter, which is why he said the RZ defense was 100%.

    09/24/2014 at 3:35 AM #56879
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    To clarify:

    Some use the opponents’ RZ scoring percentage as the stat while other’s use the RZ defense percentage.

    I, like Doeren, prefer the latter, because that metric directly measures YOUR success vs the inverse.

    It’s the same measure though, just presented in inverse stats.

    It’s essentially semantics, but I would want my players focused on a goal that measured their success vs their opponents failures.

    It’s a perspective/philosophy thing.

    09/24/2014 at 6:25 AM #56880
    Greywolf
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    I keep forgetting “NC State Football By The Numbers – Post (Last Opponent) Edition” is ALL the stats from every game. So unless I can remember all the stats from all the games, I might as well take WV Wolf’s word for the numbers OR go read another thread. 😉 Thanks again, WV Wolf, for doing what I sure as hell ain’t going to do.

    Boys. A muffed punt is a team turnover.

    Thanks Mr. DOG. (Why does say Jeff wrote?)I knew that a muffed punt wasn’t an individual fumble but didn’t realize it was called a TEAM Fumble.

    So is the stat line: “TEAM: 2 fumbles, 1 lost” saying “2 muffed punts, 1 recovered by our TEAM and 1 by the opps TEAM”? Is the case of a ball bouncing into a blocker’s leg included in this stat? Makes sense that it isn’t an individual fumble since the individual didn’t have possession to fumble.

    Kinda like an incomplete pass, eh? Bad stat but not attributed to the receiver in the box score but is to the passer. As it should be since the passer usually gets most of the credit, he should get the blame as well.

    1.21 Jigawatts wrote:

    3rd Down Pct Defense: 44.1% (11, 90)
    4th Down Pct Defense: 62.5% (11, 79)
    This right here will cost State games.

    Jiggy, Maybe that should read, ‘could cost’ since we are 4-0. This is like 6 turnovers ‘could have cost’ MD the game (but it didn’t, MD won.) I say this because “Bend, not break” defense is some times a good strategy and is nearly always criticized by the fans as bad defense.

    My mind slipped to the Presbyterian game. Not saying that’s what we were doing but it is possible since the coaches have been concerned about our giving up the big play. (see Doeren’s pressers) I grant that in most cases it is a stat of concern — but not always. Still good observation — one the coaches are sure to make as well.

    Wufpacker wrote:

    Opp have been in the red zone 12 times and have scored 9 times (5TD/4FG).

    Stat sounds like terrible defense until I figure out that the opps are averaging only 2.25 times into
    the RZ per game. This is somewhat like a HS stat that measured how often I ALMOST got laid. Even now I almost get laid every day — almost on Monday, almost on Tuesday, almost every day. 😉

    Dem stats be fun stuff when I know WTF I’m reading.

    09/24/2014 at 9:15 AM #56885
    Pack78
    Participant

    Boys. A muffed punt is a team turnover.

    Thanks,Dog…I thought that might be the case; since the receiver never had possession of the ball, it is not technically a his ‘fumble’, but is still a turnover.

    09/24/2014 at 11:15 AM #56890
    ryebread
    Participant

    As always, thanks for the stats. I appreciate the effort.

    While some might argue that our level of competition tells us nothing, I wouldn’t agree. While the season starts on Saturday, and the numbers will start to skew greatly as competition picks up, I do spot some trends:
    – Offense is about as good as it gets at NC State without an obvious NFL starting QB running the show.
    – We’re not beating ourselves. We’ve got the penalties and turnovers down. We’re protecting the QB. We’re balanced on offense between running and passing, but also using all of our weapons.
    – We have some depth that can play, at least on offense, given how the ball gets spread around. We have no depth at QB and need to protect Brissett.
    – We’re spotty on defense. We don’t get off the field, don’t pressure the QB or make plays in the backfield and don’t force turnovers.

    I think we can get to 7-5, which was my goal for this team. The defense will prevent us from doing much more.

    09/24/2014 at 12:58 PM #56896
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Right on, ryebread. Last year we were not particularly strong on defense and there was no QB to blame that on. We may be from a little to somewhat improved on defense with the base 4-2-5 and a few better athletes on the field. And I don’t want to sell the strength and conditioning short either. The proof of the pudding is as always in the eating. Let’s hope we have something on the menu for FSU to chew on.

    Defenses are traditionally behind offensive trends which partially explains why “the next hot offensive scheme” works so well. Ask The Hat about that. The offense that was so hot at his last stop has been somewhat caught up with. Too bad for eweNC that they caught him on the top of that curve and hopefully heading down, not on the way up. That may be wishful thinking on my part but so what.

    This notion that defenses catch up with offenses, if true, gives me hope for the Pack. Apparently our coaches are creating on the fly with the Wildcat or Wildwolf as I prefer to call it. I see that as an omen that we won’t be stuck with an offense that we have to fire the HC or his OC to fix. IMO that’s what happened to TOB and Bible.

    The big question in my mind is can Doeren and Hux (or whoever) keep abreast of the offensive trends and make the necessary adjustments?

    09/24/2014 at 5:21 PM #56906
    Wufpacker
    Participant
    Greywolf wrote:

    Stat sounds like terrible defense until I figure out that the opps are averaging only 2.25 times into
    the RZ per game. This is somewhat like a HS stat that measured how often I ALMOST got laid. Even now I almost get laid every day — almost on Monday, almost on Tuesday, almost every day. ;-)

    Dem stats be fun stuff when I know WTF I’m reading.

    Yep, it’s one of those where ya gotta look at the numbers and get the complete story. Tulane is now ranked better than NCSU (#12 nationally) in redzone defense at .652. But they’ve allowed 23 redzone visits giving up 15 scores, 12 of which were TDs.

    Which given your metaphor, I guess that kinda makes them sluts.

    09/25/2014 at 8:14 AM #56916
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster
    Greywolf wrote:

    Jiggy, Maybe that should read, ‘could cost’ since we are 4-0. This is like 6 turnovers ‘could have cost’ MD the game (but it didn’t, MD won.) I say this because “Bend, not break” defense is some times a good strategy and is nearly always criticized by the fans as bad defense.

    Grey, buddy, come on now, you have to know I’m referring to this stat in the future sense. If State continues to give up percentages like that against better competition it’s going to come back and bite them in the ass. Can they continue giving up 3rd and 4th downs at that rate and still win a game? Sure, they’ve done it already 3 times this season. I didn’t say it would cost them every game, I said it will cost them games. Bend but don’t break may be applied at times so you don’t get beat deep but do you really believe that’s a continuous strategy just to keep from showing their playbook to future opponents? You don’t have to gamble on every down in order to get your defense off the field as quickly as possible. These numbers show a deep flaw in the defense and will be exploited by better teams then State has played this season, it almost was already…twice.

    GSU 3DC = 6-14 (43%) / 4DC = 0-1
    ODU 3DC = 10-18 (56%) / 4DC = 5-6 (83%)
    USF 3DC = 2-10 (20%) / 4DC = 0-0
    PCU 3DC = 8-17 (47%) / 4DC = 0-1

    It’s not an anamoly of allowing the opposition to continue to move the chains. I’m sure there are several reasons why State is continuing to allow teams to complete third downs. I’ll have a breakdown of the 3rd and 4th down efficiencies that’ll give more insight in the FSU preview.

    09/25/2014 at 8:52 AM #56917
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    ^ Lack of overall speed and experience in the secondary. There’s a coach’s emphasis not to give explosive’ plays. Keep the opponent in front of you and make the tackle. Back 7 can tighten up with less ground to cover once inside the 20.

    Early failure of this likely caused some reassessments of general tactics, at least while their getting a lil seasoning.

    So I assume it’s by design, as a function of scheme and/or consideration of personnel. Most likely more latter than former.

    Have been exceptions, of course, like when the Pack brought in the safeties for run support and rolled up the corners for man (vs GSU).

    09/25/2014 at 9:01 AM #56918
    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Forgive misspellings and typos. On phone and the browser is acting up.

    09/25/2014 at 10:07 AM #56921
    triadwolf
    Participant

    Schedule Strength
    Past Opposition: 4-2 .667 (5, 27)

    27th hardest schedule in the country to date? I know it only factors what has happened so far and can be skewed, but perhaps our OCC schedule isn’t as bad as perceived. Or maybe it is… I’m not really sure how this stat is calculated.

    09/25/2014 at 12:18 PM #56924
    Greywolf
    Participant
    1.21 Jigawatts wrote:

    Grey, buddy, come on now, you have to know I’m referring to this stat in the future sense. If State continues to give up percentages like that against better competition it’s going to come back and bite them in the ass.

    Jiggy, For sure I know you were speaking of future games. I was pointing out that in 4 previous games the very statistics you were referring to had NOT cost us one single game. I them went on to say why I disagreed with you under some circumstances.

    Isolating a statistic and foreseeing the future based on that stat is a dangerous game. While we were giving up 1st downs on 3rd and 4th down, we were allowing only 2.25 trips into the RZ. We were also rotating fresh linemen and Linebackers, keeping our best defenders fresh and reasonably rested. foose does a thorough job above explaining the how’s and why’s of the bend, don’t break defense. It’s worth reading.

    At the risk of repeating myself I’m saying again, “Bend, not break” defense is some times a good strategy and is nearly always criticized by the fans as bad defense. I don’t know anybody who would not take a game against FSU that did not allow a long TD, only 2.25 trips into the RZ and whatever our RZ success rate is. True FSU is the number 1 rated team in the country. They were highly rated the last 2 times they visited The Carter and left without a win.

    Anything is possible playing with that oblong, crazy bouncing ball. Now, think a good thought.

    09/25/2014 at 12:37 PM #56925
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster
    triadwolf wrote:

    but perhaps our OCC schedule isn’t as bad as perceived. Or maybe it is… I’m not really sure how this stat is calculated.

    I’m willing to bet that it is every bit as bad as most think. Let’s look at Sagarin’s rankings for another clue:

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2014/conference/

    SOS National Ranking #178.
    SOS ranked 13th out of the 14 teams in the ACC.

    But it’s important to note that SOS means little in college football as a whole and absolutely nothing to NC State.

    09/25/2014 at 2:22 PM #56928
    triadwolf
    Participant

    ^ VaWolf – No doubt our sos is bad; just pointing out that maybe not quite as bad as it looked on paper a couple months ago. Either way you’re right, sos doesn’t mean anything to NC State other than artificially feeling marginally better about what you’ve accomplished.

    The only thing that matters now is the next 8 (hopefully 9) games. Particularly the next 4, a win or two may indicate that this a better team than most probably thought. Conversely, I don’t think much can be determined at all if we lose all of the next 4 – except maybe in how we lose them.

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