(12) NC STATE vs (5) SAINT LOUIS Preview

Time: 7:20 pm
Location: Orlando, FL
TV: TNT
Announcers: Brian Anderson, Dan Bonner and Kristine Leahy

The Pack is in the Round of 64 after defeating the Xavier Musketeers 74-59 in the First Four match in Dayton, OH. The Wolfpack put together one of their best all-around performances this season by getting almost a complete team effort in multiple facets on both ends of the court. Sure the Pack has been more efficient on offense this season but increasing their performance on defense just a little, it more than made up for any drop off in offensive efficiency. Anthony Barber was sick and it effected his time on the court and Warren was saddled with two quick fouls at the beginning of the game which slowed him down but everyone stepped up until he was able to find his grove. With the win the Pack has moved on to Orlando, FL to face the Saint Louis Billikens.

Getting to know them

The Billikens have had a tremendous year in the A-10, jumping out to a 25-2 (12-0) record, with the 2 losses being a 63-57 loss to Wisconsin on a neutral court and a 70-65 loss to undefeated Wichita State at home. Then something happened, St. Louis lost at home to lowly Duquesne and stumbled the rest of the way to a 26-6 (13-3) record, including a first round exit in the A-10 tournament to St. Bonaventure. St. Louis starts 5 seniors, who are in their third NCAAT but doesn’t go very deep into their bench very often. They aren’t a very tall team either, outside of a couple of 6-11 guys, they top out at 6-6.

The Billikens strength is in their defense. It’s not shutdown, low scoring type of defense, more of a make you work extra hard for your points, make you less efficient to compensate for their own low offensive efficiency. Little things like limiting the three, good defensive rebounding to prevent second chance points, forcing turnovers, and not sending the opposition to the line much.

Probable Starters
#5 Jordair Jet (6-1 215 SR) Guard – Jett has an amazing Assist Rate of 34.4%, which ranks #23 in the nation but with having the ball so much means he also has a lot of opportunities to turn the ball over, TORate 20.2%. Jett doesn’t shoot the three, only have 34 3fga this season but he does have a lot of two’s, eFG 50%, and draws a lot of fouls, 5.8 per 40, so he’s likely driving a lot to the basket. Oh yeah and he’s the A-10 Player of the Year, so he’s got that going for him.

#11 Mike McCall (6-0 180 SR) Guard – McCall is the shooting guard and he’s been pretty good this year, 109 ORtg, shoots as many 3’s as 2’s, an eFG 51%, and good at FT’s, though he doesn’t get to the line much. Can’t leave him alone on the perimeter.

#30 Jake Barnett (6-5 205 SR) Forward – Barnett is the least effective scoring option of the starters. He only has a 90 ORtg, barely shooting any 2’s, mainly living on the perimeter jacking 3’s and not that great at 30%. He’s okay at defensive rebounding 12.2% but has a tendancy to turn the ball over at 19% TORate.

#21 Dwayne Evans (6-6 230 SR) Forward – Evan has okay numbers, a 103 ORtg, 50% eFG (doesn’t shoot the 3), but is good at rebounding 8% OR and 17% DR, and drawing fouls to get to the line where he shoots 74%.

#51 Rob Loe (6-11 245 SR) Center – Loe is the match up nightmare for the Pack, he’s taken 123 2FGA (.593) and 115 3FGA (.296). Because he shoots so many 3’s his Offensive Rebounding isn’t that good but he makes up for it on defense where he’s grabbing 16% DR and Blocks 4.7% of shots (#238 nationally). This is where I think we need Washington guarding him on the perimeter and switching up when he goes inside. Did I forget to mention Loe is from New Zealand? Battle of the Bigs from Down Under.

Bench
#2 Austin McBroom (5-9 165 SO), #54 John Manning (6-11 240 JR), #1 Grandy Glaze (6-6 235 JR)

Glaze was getting a decent amount of playing time off the bench for most of the season but during their losing streak his time has been almost nonexistent. He’s a good rebounder and only plays around a the basket but turns the ball over quite a lot. McBroom has seen his minutes increase of late though that hasn’t meant he’s playing great, in fact it’s either good or awful. McBroom shoots a lot of 3’s, understandable for his size, and is their best long distance shooter (.355) along with McCall. Expect to see Manning more then he usually plays simply because the Pack has the size, just don’t expect a lot out of him.

Who has the Advantage?

NOTE: This is a look at what both teams have done over the course of the season, not how they have been playing for the past few weeks. Trust me I’d love to restrict it to just the last 10 games but that would require me to do that myself which I simply don’t have the time, and I still wouldn’t know where they’d rank nationally.

This is a matchup of State’s best against St. Louis’ best and the Billikens defense has been better then the Pack’s offense. One thing I noticed in the Xavier game, who was another team that was good at defensive rebounding, was the Musketeers limited State to only 20% Offensive Rebounding which is about 15% below their season average.

Now we have the matchup of facepalms vs facepalms. It’s best to avert your eyes when the ball moves to this end of the court. Hipster Cat needs to drop the pigtails and return to his hip ways.

Predictions

KenPom likes Saint Louis by 2 points.
Sagarin likes Saint Louis by 3.3 points.
Vegas opened up with Saint Louis -2.5.

Its extremely difficult to know what’s going to happen. Will both teams continue how they’ve been playing over the last month? Or will one or both revert to their old ways? It’s difficult to tell. One thing the Billikens have an advantage in is not only a 5 starting seniors but multiple years of NCAAT experience. The Pack has the advantage of already playing a game and getting the first half jitters out of the way. The Billikens have TONS of bulletin board material since everyone is on the Pack bandwagon and predicting an upset.

Just as everyone will wear the same clothes that they had on Tuesday, watch the game from the same spot, drink the same drinks, I’m going to continue my official pick be against the Pack. I refuse to be the bringer of bad mojo to this team. So I say St. Louis by 1.

And who knows, maybe the Pack’s new good luck charm and several posters new crush, Kristine Leahy, will stick with the Pack for as long as they are in the tournament.

HEADLINES

This is a great article by Giglio, way too much to highlight.

Joe Giglio (N&O)
Gottfried stays positive, pushes right buttons for Wolfpack’s NCAA success

Ryan Tice (TheWolfpacker.com)
In-depth look at Saint Louis

TheWolfpacker.com
Q&A: Saint Louis looking forward to facing Pack

Russ Wood (TheWolfpacker.com)
Audio: Mark Gottfried, players breaks down SLU

Fred Goodall (AP)
NC State-Saint Louis Preview

PackPride.com
Previewing Saint Louis

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Trending down, Billikens are undaunted

Bernie Miklasz (stltoday.com)
It’s up to the ‘Sons of Majerus’

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Loe has come a long way with SLU

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
N.C. State takes whirlwind path to play SLU

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #48986
    Whiteshoes67
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    When you can’t celebrate your own success, at least rejoice at the failure of others. Barnes and the Hornes are dispatching the Fighting Sendeks. At least we don’t have to endure that.

    #48987
    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    I’m with Sacco on pg 28. It was the groin interview which threw ya’ll off our game.

    #48988
    WeAreCured
    Participant

    Also, concerning fatigue, most people get tired from traveling in and of itself, let alone traveling along the east coast between physically and mentally draining athletic competitions. It was a factor.

    #48989
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Gottfried didn’t make smart decisions down the stretch. THat’s not said in hindsight. I yelled at him the entire last 4, and OT. My wife and neighbors will attest. Team loss, total meltdown, but the coach has to be better. He’s not 18-20, he’s been in that situation, he’s supposed to be able to anticipate strategy and counter with proper personnel, not just hope for the best.

    #48990
    redisgood
    Participant

    Not sure who had the bigger meltdown tonight, the team or some of the posters here. Holy cow. I think the posters win. Fatigue is no match for Jack Daniels.

    #48991
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    When you can’t celebrate your own success, at least rejoice at the failure of others. Barnes and the Hornes are dispatching the Fighting Sendeks. At least we don’t have to endure that.

    Feeling better already.

    #48992
    JeremyH
    Participant

    Agreed. It was as much a factor as it was for us against Duke. I have to say that travel in the backcourt by Lewis was just mind melting. If you can’t handle the press, you just can’t win.

    #48994
    JeremyH
    Participant

    What also hurt us is that we starting playing conservative after we got the big lead. So they started their strategy down 10 instead of down 15. That was huge also.

    #48995
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    The inability to break the press, the mental lapses leaving 3-pt shooters open, and the delay getting some of the bigs out when the hack strategy began was mind blowing to me. Sure, make free throws and you’re in the drivers seat, but it was oh so clear we were rattled. Looked like hot potato out there. The only guy who wanted the ball was Warren.

    #48996
    redcanine
    Participant

    If fatigue was the problem, give ’em all the Alejo treatment this summer. I mean underwater suicides or something that resembles waterboarding. This aint gonna be a Krispy Kreme and Chronic summer!

    We DID look pretty tired tonight. If we were in better physical shape throughout the year, we wouldn’t have had to participate in the play-in game.

    We were sucking wind in the FIRST half.

    #48997
    JeremyH
    Participant

    i agree that we didn’t have a strategy to counter their strategy. we just hoped they would miss and we could hold on. but then they started getting excessive offensive rebounds. our energy just tanked all at once. suddenly when we started missing free throws, we couldn’t stop them on their offensive end.

    #48998
    JeremyH
    Participant

    redcanine: I would like to see a slimmed down Anya next year. that would make a big difference.

    #49000
    ldr of the pk 75
    Participant

    What? Herb/ASU lost?

    #49002
    triadwolf
    Participant

    Hopefully this loss stings enough to motivate these guys for next year. What this team will be will be determined over the next 6 months. You don’t get better at shooting jump shots or free throws over the course of the season, you work your ass off during the off-season to get better. This looks like a group that will put in the work, but we’ll know in November. Will KH lose 30 lbs; will Cat hit the weights and get stronger; etc?

    With the exception of Howell, I didn’t see the last group improve physically in the 3 or 4 years they played; hell I don’t think CJL added one ounce of muscle the whole time he played. It’s easy to go out and practice the things you’re good at and play some pick up ball over the summer to “stay in shape”, it’s quite another to work at the things you don’t do well and really get better. TJ and JV obviously put in the work last off-season and it paid huge dividends; hopefully that’s the beginning of a culture of State players putting it upon themselves to improve.

    #49003
    ldr of the pk 75
    Participant

    Well put triad.

    #49004
    YoungWolf17
    Participant

    Still extremely proud of this team. I can’t pin this loss on Gott. A coach can’t go on the court and shoot the free throws for his players. Lack of mental toughness by our guys tonight. Still really proud of their job this season though

    #49005
    JeremyH
    Participant

    Just sheer exhaustion. And I can’t pin this on any one entity–the team lost. That’s it.

    Could totally see Cat having a Warren-like season next year. And I’m afraid of what an in-shape Anya would be capable of doing.

    #49007
    Since74
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    This team lost 80% of last year’s scoring.

    Tyler and TJ played together some last year … They’re sophomores.

    This team was picked preseason to finish 10th or 11th in the ACC.

    We had close losses to *NC, Syracuse, and Wake Forest that May have been wins if those games were officiated differently in the last 30 seconds.

    Most of the best teams I’ve seen in all sports lose a lot of close ones one year and the next come back more mature and better equipped to win the close ones.

    Gott has made the tourney 3 years out of 3 years.

    I really like the personality of this “TEAM” and hope that no one on it chooses to leave because it’s fans talk mad sh*t about everyone on it after every loss and continuously use demeaning nicknames for everyone even during the wins.

    Keep telling these young people they are victims of State sh*t and see if it perpetuates itself.

    To the coaching staff and team: Great job guys. I can’t wait to see what your experiences mature into next year.

    This program is on the right path.

    #49008
    Tuffy2
    Participant

    Sure they were tired as I have no issue there. We just did not hit our FT. We also did not attack the press and go to the basket instead of holding up. Gott missed on some adjustments but it came down to FT. I did wonder why Gott had Vandy go in the game with 4 fouls instead of Anya. What are you going to get from Vandy with the 4 fouls. If he plays defense he fouls out most likely. That had to be in the back of Vandys head.

    With 28 secs left in ot TJ did not need to foul as someone else should have either help trap TJs man and they pick the foul up. AS it came down to the final seconds of OT only needing 2 to send it to double OT our one player that can give us the 2 is on the bench.

    We all know TJ will not be back next year but, that has to leave a bitter taste in his mouth. Bitter enough to come back. Now that is a long shot but it is a shot no matter how slim. I can dream all I want and until it is announced he will go to the nba that is what I will do.

    #49009
    nouveau wolf
    Participant

    Rick and PackAlum44

    I have gone to this site less and less over the last few years because of the negativity and vitriol from regular posters like you. I came here today because I was so disappointed in the outcome of the game, but I knew that, big picture, we had accomplished way more than this team was supposed to. After reading posts of that nature on BTP, I decided to look for more solace here. BIG mistake.
    Rick, SFN would probably be better off if you choose not to pull for the Pack anymore, as you are considering. Never been more “disappointed in a team” in YOUR LIFE?!?! than a team with no expectations going 1-1 in the tourney?!?! We won’t miss you.

    PackAlum44: I’ll let you speak for yourself
    “We r screwed. We r losers bc y’all r. Accept it. Punks. Take the jock strap. Justify it.”

    Yeah, that’s why I come to this site, to have my team and myself be insulted by other “fans”.

    Shameful.

    Truly disgusting.

    #49010
    JeremyH
    Participant

    to his defense I think PackAlum44 was drunk. and note that he graduated in ’44. so respect your elders, geesh. : )

    #49011
    theTHRILL
    Participant

    To be honest, I can hardly stand to think about next season right now.

    #49014
    packalum44
    Participant

    I’m less drunk now and stand by what I said. We are losers for accepting this. VA Tech knows hiring a loser is a sunk cost when they see it. To say this loss was an epic meltdown is an insult to Sendek. He never had this talent. Gott is a loser and I said it right after Dayton upset. Us making the dance was horrible bc it gives losers vindication. Hire Archie this season. Gott sucks this game is one piece in a long line of evidence. There is little reasonable doubt.

    #49016
    packalum44
    Participant

    Oh wow just read some earlier post. Attribute that to the booze starting at lunch. For context I work on Wall Street with winners and hate seeing losers back home. Being a winner starts with attitude and I hate them but at least unc alumni have that. Our fans don’t. So used to be red headed step child farmers we just keep accepting it in the back end with no lube. Disgusting.

    #49017
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    I haven’t read (nor will I) most of the post game meltdown. Having said that, and also stating that IMHO this was not SOLELY a coaching failure…I do have to say that this post game remark from Gott has me at least somewhat concerned….

    “It’s hard to explain, we’re a good free-throw shooting team,” Gottfried said. “It kind of steamrolled on us there from the foul line.”

    Now, I’m willing to allow for the fact that in the heat of the moment and emotion of the loss he might have slightly misspoken. Perhaps what he meant to say is that we’re not usually THAT bad of a free-throw shooting team.

    But in all seriousness, if he thinks we’re even approaching good from the FT line as a team, then there is some serious discrepancy in his and my definitions of the word ‘good’.

    I suppose I’m no longer puzzled as to why we didn’t seem to improve from the line, and maybe elsewhere, as the year progressed.

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