(12) NC STATE vs (5) SAINT LOUIS Preview

Time: 7:20 pm
Location: Orlando, FL
TV: TNT
Announcers: Brian Anderson, Dan Bonner and Kristine Leahy

The Pack is in the Round of 64 after defeating the Xavier Musketeers 74-59 in the First Four match in Dayton, OH. The Wolfpack put together one of their best all-around performances this season by getting almost a complete team effort in multiple facets on both ends of the court. Sure the Pack has been more efficient on offense this season but increasing their performance on defense just a little, it more than made up for any drop off in offensive efficiency. Anthony Barber was sick and it effected his time on the court and Warren was saddled with two quick fouls at the beginning of the game which slowed him down but everyone stepped up until he was able to find his grove. With the win the Pack has moved on to Orlando, FL to face the Saint Louis Billikens.

Getting to know them

The Billikens have had a tremendous year in the A-10, jumping out to a 25-2 (12-0) record, with the 2 losses being a 63-57 loss to Wisconsin on a neutral court and a 70-65 loss to undefeated Wichita State at home. Then something happened, St. Louis lost at home to lowly Duquesne and stumbled the rest of the way to a 26-6 (13-3) record, including a first round exit in the A-10 tournament to St. Bonaventure. St. Louis starts 5 seniors, who are in their third NCAAT but doesn’t go very deep into their bench very often. They aren’t a very tall team either, outside of a couple of 6-11 guys, they top out at 6-6.

The Billikens strength is in their defense. It’s not shutdown, low scoring type of defense, more of a make you work extra hard for your points, make you less efficient to compensate for their own low offensive efficiency. Little things like limiting the three, good defensive rebounding to prevent second chance points, forcing turnovers, and not sending the opposition to the line much.

Probable Starters
#5 Jordair Jet (6-1 215 SR) Guard – Jett has an amazing Assist Rate of 34.4%, which ranks #23 in the nation but with having the ball so much means he also has a lot of opportunities to turn the ball over, TORate 20.2%. Jett doesn’t shoot the three, only have 34 3fga this season but he does have a lot of two’s, eFG 50%, and draws a lot of fouls, 5.8 per 40, so he’s likely driving a lot to the basket. Oh yeah and he’s the A-10 Player of the Year, so he’s got that going for him.

#11 Mike McCall (6-0 180 SR) Guard – McCall is the shooting guard and he’s been pretty good this year, 109 ORtg, shoots as many 3’s as 2’s, an eFG 51%, and good at FT’s, though he doesn’t get to the line much. Can’t leave him alone on the perimeter.

#30 Jake Barnett (6-5 205 SR) Forward – Barnett is the least effective scoring option of the starters. He only has a 90 ORtg, barely shooting any 2’s, mainly living on the perimeter jacking 3’s and not that great at 30%. He’s okay at defensive rebounding 12.2% but has a tendancy to turn the ball over at 19% TORate.

#21 Dwayne Evans (6-6 230 SR) Forward – Evan has okay numbers, a 103 ORtg, 50% eFG (doesn’t shoot the 3), but is good at rebounding 8% OR and 17% DR, and drawing fouls to get to the line where he shoots 74%.

#51 Rob Loe (6-11 245 SR) Center – Loe is the match up nightmare for the Pack, he’s taken 123 2FGA (.593) and 115 3FGA (.296). Because he shoots so many 3’s his Offensive Rebounding isn’t that good but he makes up for it on defense where he’s grabbing 16% DR and Blocks 4.7% of shots (#238 nationally). This is where I think we need Washington guarding him on the perimeter and switching up when he goes inside. Did I forget to mention Loe is from New Zealand? Battle of the Bigs from Down Under.

Bench
#2 Austin McBroom (5-9 165 SO), #54 John Manning (6-11 240 JR), #1 Grandy Glaze (6-6 235 JR)

Glaze was getting a decent amount of playing time off the bench for most of the season but during their losing streak his time has been almost nonexistent. He’s a good rebounder and only plays around a the basket but turns the ball over quite a lot. McBroom has seen his minutes increase of late though that hasn’t meant he’s playing great, in fact it’s either good or awful. McBroom shoots a lot of 3’s, understandable for his size, and is their best long distance shooter (.355) along with McCall. Expect to see Manning more then he usually plays simply because the Pack has the size, just don’t expect a lot out of him.

Who has the Advantage?

NOTE: This is a look at what both teams have done over the course of the season, not how they have been playing for the past few weeks. Trust me I’d love to restrict it to just the last 10 games but that would require me to do that myself which I simply don’t have the time, and I still wouldn’t know where they’d rank nationally.

This is a matchup of State’s best against St. Louis’ best and the Billikens defense has been better then the Pack’s offense. One thing I noticed in the Xavier game, who was another team that was good at defensive rebounding, was the Musketeers limited State to only 20% Offensive Rebounding which is about 15% below their season average.

Now we have the matchup of facepalms vs facepalms. It’s best to avert your eyes when the ball moves to this end of the court. Hipster Cat needs to drop the pigtails and return to his hip ways.

Predictions

KenPom likes Saint Louis by 2 points.
Sagarin likes Saint Louis by 3.3 points.
Vegas opened up with Saint Louis -2.5.

Its extremely difficult to know what’s going to happen. Will both teams continue how they’ve been playing over the last month? Or will one or both revert to their old ways? It’s difficult to tell. One thing the Billikens have an advantage in is not only a 5 starting seniors but multiple years of NCAAT experience. The Pack has the advantage of already playing a game and getting the first half jitters out of the way. The Billikens have TONS of bulletin board material since everyone is on the Pack bandwagon and predicting an upset.

Just as everyone will wear the same clothes that they had on Tuesday, watch the game from the same spot, drink the same drinks, I’m going to continue my official pick be against the Pack. I refuse to be the bringer of bad mojo to this team. So I say St. Louis by 1.

And who knows, maybe the Pack’s new good luck charm and several posters new crush, Kristine Leahy, will stick with the Pack for as long as they are in the tournament.

HEADLINES

This is a great article by Giglio, way too much to highlight.

Joe Giglio (N&O)
Gottfried stays positive, pushes right buttons for Wolfpack’s NCAA success

Ryan Tice (TheWolfpacker.com)
In-depth look at Saint Louis

TheWolfpacker.com
Q&A: Saint Louis looking forward to facing Pack

Russ Wood (TheWolfpacker.com)
Audio: Mark Gottfried, players breaks down SLU

Fred Goodall (AP)
NC State-Saint Louis Preview

PackPride.com
Previewing Saint Louis

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Trending down, Billikens are undaunted

Bernie Miklasz (stltoday.com)
It’s up to the ‘Sons of Majerus’

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Loe has come a long way with SLU

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
N.C. State takes whirlwind path to play SLU

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #48933
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Especially not to have quit fouling once they got it down to a 2 possession game.

    #48934
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Its just a shame. A lot of people didn’t think we deserved to be in the tournament and I was hoping we would prove them wrong.
    Well, they were right.

    I don’t think that. We were a possession or FT away from the round of 32. We showed we can play, but we have a long way to go. Just not consistent.

    No we have proven the doubters right. We should not have been in the tournament

    #48935
    WeAreCured
    Participant

    Only 1 team will leave this tourney without losing. They aren’t the first to have their hearts broken in this tourney, and they won’t even be the last tonight (cue Oklahoma losing to North Dakota State in OT). Relax.

    #48936
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Complete and total belly up.

    No intestinal fortitude

    #48937
    96Fan
    Participant

    Well I think our collapse definitely showed we cant play. Come on, up 16 with 7 to play, looking dominant. Then it was like a switch was flipped.
    No excuse.

    #48938
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Well hey we qualified for 3 tourneys in 3 years following the Sid debacle. So anyone thinking Yow has something up her sleave think again. The future is bright. We had a good year when it could have been NIT. We just didn’t finish. This staff has plenty to work on if we want to compete with the best. I just hope our goals are bigger.

    #48940
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Well hey we qualified for 3 tourneys in 3 years following the Sid debacle. So anyone thinking Yow has something up her sleave think again. The future is bright. We had a good year when it could have been NIT. We just didn’t finish. This staff has plenty to work on if we want to compete with the best. I just hope our goals are bigger.

    Future us bright?

    Lol

    Without Warren this team will get beat mercilessly

    #48941
    blpack
    Participant

    This was a meltdown. They quit playing. Missing FTs is bad enough, but play some D. I am really disgusted. Sorry to see it end.

    #48942
    Gowolves
    Participant

    Some of you f@ckers make me sick. Fire everyone. Let’s burn the whole thing down. Everyone sucks. Warren sucks? My god people get a grip. Two weeks ago we had no shot of a bid. Unfreaking believable!

    #48943
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Guess I’ll have to pull for Scary Wheat and Providence, or whoever plays *NC

    #48945
    96Fan
    Participant

    Well, I guess the outcome is not all that surprising. All year long it seems like at the end of the game we are either tired, complacent, or just brain dead.
    Just cant finish.

    #48946
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    I was right there with you, Rick a couple of weeks ago. But we have some young kids that can play. They improved over the course of the year. Next year will be interesting for sure. I have no idea how we will be, but a coach can certainly build with this nucleus.

    #48947
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Kids were dead legged late. But we not only outplayed that bunch for most of the game, we flat out dominated them for about 37-38 minutes. Just flat out lost composure. It happens. I just don’t recall it ever happening in so many different ways during such a short stretch.

    #48948
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I was right there with you, Rick a couple of weeks ago. But we have some young kids that can play. They improved over the course of the year. Next year will be interesting for sure. I have no idea how we will be, but a coach can certainly build with this nucleus.

    Well I hope you are right. I just do not see it.

    I see no scoring. No defense. No leadership. And that has nothing to do with tonight.

    #48949
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Was anyone else scratching their heads about the personnel we had in there down the stretch in regulation and in OT?

    #48950
    eas
    Participant

    16 point lead blown. The last 3 minutes we were taken apart with precision and a well coached plan by St. Louis. Complete inability to break a press on our part. No last second designed plays again just 1 on many.

    I’m not dogging our players and I am proud of their improvement. I’m frustrated but oh well. My frustration is high mostly because we have seen this same ending on a fairly regular basis.

    #48951
    JeremyH
    Participant

    Hey guys, really sorry that we couldn’t hold onto this one. Easy to be crushed but you move on.

    Very tough way to lose. St. Louis had more rest and more time to gameplan and this was the outcome. I guys were totally gassed at the end and that affected their free throws. I expect that our scoring will be much more balanced next year, and I hope that with Lacey we will be a little less skittish in the full court press. Advancing the ball under the full court press has been such an achilles heel this year.

    #48952
    96Fan
    Participant

    Yes. Like someone else said, from the players to the coaches. Systemic failure.

    #48953
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I am going to apologize for getting so worked up and go to bed.

    I have never been so disappointed in a team in my life. Maybe my perspective changes but I really am tired of pulling for state. There is no positive to it just ask heart break.

    #48954
    highstick
    Participant

    I almost posted something this morning about Tuesday night’s game being the first thing I’ve seen in some time that makes me think that they might be breaking my “Missouri Attitude…i.e. “Show Me”…Glad I didn’t cause ST LOUIS, Missouri showed me and I would have been premature…

    Damn it! My “first team to 60 theory didn’t work and we went stone cold dead at 59 points tonight”! It was all over at that point in the game!

    Oh, well, time for an MRI tomorrow and continuation of baseball season!

    "Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!

    #48955
    triadwolf
    Participant

    It sucked but fatigue and youth showed. STL made them work so hard on offense there was nothing left at the end. One of the least experienced teams in Div. 1 vs.one of the most experianced teams after 5 games in 8 days. Not an excuse, just what it was.

    #48956
    packalum44
    Participant

    Glad I never sniffed Gotts jock strap. Loser. Just like anyone who ever thought he could lead.

    #48957
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Oh this staff has tons to work on, no question. Late game execution has not been good. Free throw shooting. Defense. Going to have to figure out a way to score next year. Warren hid a lot of our weaknesses. And we must improve or else we can forget about finishing better than about 5th in the conference. I am fine with a 12 seed this year, it was a pleasant surprise. But that sentiment won’t last long. Time to take us to the next level. No more mediocrity (or slightly better).

    #48958
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    I watched the game rather than post. It was a great effort….right up to the end.

    We have played 5 games in 8 days….We beat the #5 team in the ACC Tourney. We ran out of gas against Duke. Duke is our WORST match-up, but we played tough. In case some of you doubt that statement, then I will cut and paste it from Bobby Lutz’s email that I got.

    Tonight, we were playing a veteran senior team. We stayed up all night on the flight from Dayton to Orlando.

    If you go back through the season and look at the losses, especially the ones that we lost in the end, you can see a pattern of “exhaustion”.

    NOW, we did have MORE than enough of a lead. We just did not hit our Free Throws. If you think that was tough, ask Jim Harrig of Peperdine about hitting Free Throws in 1983.

    Coach Crews used the Jimmy V defense on us and Vandy missed his. TJ and others contributed.

    I am very disappointed….but NOT ready to throw a team that showed a LOT of guts and won games that they should not have won and also finished MUCH higher than anyone thought.

    I also remember folks wanting Cat to go to Calipari and Tyler to Davidson….then when they showed their talent, they were the greatest thing since drop seat underwear.

    The season is OVER. BUT we have a 2014 NCAA banner. Coach Gott is 4 – 3 in NCAA play and has a 3 year run going.

    Not a great way to end the season, but it ended MUCH better 22 – 14 than anyone EVER (seriously) thought and we got to the NCAA and avoided the NIT.

    GO PACK…

    #48959
    CaptainCraptacular
    Participant

    Just got home from the game. I’m pretty sure I’m the bad luck guy, as I was also in attendance when we blew it vs. Vanderbilt at the old O-rena. 2 times the pack come to MCO for the NCAA and I get to go, and 2 heartbreaks.

    For whatever reason though the Vanderbilt game was much more painful than this one.

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