(12) NC STATE vs (5) SAINT LOUIS Preview

Time: 7:20 pm
Location: Orlando, FL
TV: TNT
Announcers: Brian Anderson, Dan Bonner and Kristine Leahy

The Pack is in the Round of 64 after defeating the Xavier Musketeers 74-59 in the First Four match in Dayton, OH. The Wolfpack put together one of their best all-around performances this season by getting almost a complete team effort in multiple facets on both ends of the court. Sure the Pack has been more efficient on offense this season but increasing their performance on defense just a little, it more than made up for any drop off in offensive efficiency. Anthony Barber was sick and it effected his time on the court and Warren was saddled with two quick fouls at the beginning of the game which slowed him down but everyone stepped up until he was able to find his grove. With the win the Pack has moved on to Orlando, FL to face the Saint Louis Billikens.

Getting to know them

The Billikens have had a tremendous year in the A-10, jumping out to a 25-2 (12-0) record, with the 2 losses being a 63-57 loss to Wisconsin on a neutral court and a 70-65 loss to undefeated Wichita State at home. Then something happened, St. Louis lost at home to lowly Duquesne and stumbled the rest of the way to a 26-6 (13-3) record, including a first round exit in the A-10 tournament to St. Bonaventure. St. Louis starts 5 seniors, who are in their third NCAAT but doesn’t go very deep into their bench very often. They aren’t a very tall team either, outside of a couple of 6-11 guys, they top out at 6-6.

The Billikens strength is in their defense. It’s not shutdown, low scoring type of defense, more of a make you work extra hard for your points, make you less efficient to compensate for their own low offensive efficiency. Little things like limiting the three, good defensive rebounding to prevent second chance points, forcing turnovers, and not sending the opposition to the line much.

Probable Starters
#5 Jordair Jet (6-1 215 SR) Guard – Jett has an amazing Assist Rate of 34.4%, which ranks #23 in the nation but with having the ball so much means he also has a lot of opportunities to turn the ball over, TORate 20.2%. Jett doesn’t shoot the three, only have 34 3fga this season but he does have a lot of two’s, eFG 50%, and draws a lot of fouls, 5.8 per 40, so he’s likely driving a lot to the basket. Oh yeah and he’s the A-10 Player of the Year, so he’s got that going for him.

#11 Mike McCall (6-0 180 SR) Guard – McCall is the shooting guard and he’s been pretty good this year, 109 ORtg, shoots as many 3’s as 2’s, an eFG 51%, and good at FT’s, though he doesn’t get to the line much. Can’t leave him alone on the perimeter.

#30 Jake Barnett (6-5 205 SR) Forward – Barnett is the least effective scoring option of the starters. He only has a 90 ORtg, barely shooting any 2’s, mainly living on the perimeter jacking 3’s and not that great at 30%. He’s okay at defensive rebounding 12.2% but has a tendancy to turn the ball over at 19% TORate.

#21 Dwayne Evans (6-6 230 SR) Forward – Evan has okay numbers, a 103 ORtg, 50% eFG (doesn’t shoot the 3), but is good at rebounding 8% OR and 17% DR, and drawing fouls to get to the line where he shoots 74%.

#51 Rob Loe (6-11 245 SR) Center – Loe is the match up nightmare for the Pack, he’s taken 123 2FGA (.593) and 115 3FGA (.296). Because he shoots so many 3’s his Offensive Rebounding isn’t that good but he makes up for it on defense where he’s grabbing 16% DR and Blocks 4.7% of shots (#238 nationally). This is where I think we need Washington guarding him on the perimeter and switching up when he goes inside. Did I forget to mention Loe is from New Zealand? Battle of the Bigs from Down Under.

Bench
#2 Austin McBroom (5-9 165 SO), #54 John Manning (6-11 240 JR), #1 Grandy Glaze (6-6 235 JR)

Glaze was getting a decent amount of playing time off the bench for most of the season but during their losing streak his time has been almost nonexistent. He’s a good rebounder and only plays around a the basket but turns the ball over quite a lot. McBroom has seen his minutes increase of late though that hasn’t meant he’s playing great, in fact it’s either good or awful. McBroom shoots a lot of 3’s, understandable for his size, and is their best long distance shooter (.355) along with McCall. Expect to see Manning more then he usually plays simply because the Pack has the size, just don’t expect a lot out of him.

Who has the Advantage?

NOTE: This is a look at what both teams have done over the course of the season, not how they have been playing for the past few weeks. Trust me I’d love to restrict it to just the last 10 games but that would require me to do that myself which I simply don’t have the time, and I still wouldn’t know where they’d rank nationally.

This is a matchup of State’s best against St. Louis’ best and the Billikens defense has been better then the Pack’s offense. One thing I noticed in the Xavier game, who was another team that was good at defensive rebounding, was the Musketeers limited State to only 20% Offensive Rebounding which is about 15% below their season average.

Now we have the matchup of facepalms vs facepalms. It’s best to avert your eyes when the ball moves to this end of the court. Hipster Cat needs to drop the pigtails and return to his hip ways.

Predictions

KenPom likes Saint Louis by 2 points.
Sagarin likes Saint Louis by 3.3 points.
Vegas opened up with Saint Louis -2.5.

Its extremely difficult to know what’s going to happen. Will both teams continue how they’ve been playing over the last month? Or will one or both revert to their old ways? It’s difficult to tell. One thing the Billikens have an advantage in is not only a 5 starting seniors but multiple years of NCAAT experience. The Pack has the advantage of already playing a game and getting the first half jitters out of the way. The Billikens have TONS of bulletin board material since everyone is on the Pack bandwagon and predicting an upset.

Just as everyone will wear the same clothes that they had on Tuesday, watch the game from the same spot, drink the same drinks, I’m going to continue my official pick be against the Pack. I refuse to be the bringer of bad mojo to this team. So I say St. Louis by 1.

And who knows, maybe the Pack’s new good luck charm and several posters new crush, Kristine Leahy, will stick with the Pack for as long as they are in the tournament.

HEADLINES

This is a great article by Giglio, way too much to highlight.

Joe Giglio (N&O)
Gottfried stays positive, pushes right buttons for Wolfpack’s NCAA success

Ryan Tice (TheWolfpacker.com)
In-depth look at Saint Louis

TheWolfpacker.com
Q&A: Saint Louis looking forward to facing Pack

Russ Wood (TheWolfpacker.com)
Audio: Mark Gottfried, players breaks down SLU

Fred Goodall (AP)
NC State-Saint Louis Preview

PackPride.com
Previewing Saint Louis

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Trending down, Billikens are undaunted

Bernie Miklasz (stltoday.com)
It’s up to the ‘Sons of Majerus’

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
Loe has come a long way with SLU

Tom Timmermann (Stltoday.com)
N.C. State takes whirlwind path to play SLU

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #48908
    TMD11
    Participant

    One or two made free throws…and we beat WAKE FOREST, we beat UNC, we beat SYRACUSE, and we beat SAINT LOUIS – all major losses impacting the teams psyche.

    Every single little thing matters. Details matter.

    It’s what separates the pretenders from the true contenders.

    #48909
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    This definitely takes the cake over the Vandy loss. I can’t think of a worse post season loss. That thing was in the bag.

    We let ’em off the hook.

    #48910
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Warren is GONE. That has NEVER been in doubt, and the staff knows it.

    Bad way to end his career, but he had plenty of help fucking this one up.

    #48911
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Worst loss at any time, in any sport.

    #48912
    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    ACC POY is gone. We were lucky to have him.

    #48913
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    It was a complete team and coaching implosion. I can’t think of a single player that had their crap together late in the game and in OT. They all stunk. Coaches too.

    #48914
    eas
    Participant

    This game was lost by GOTT at approximately the 3:00 minute left mark of the 2nd half. When the strategy is CLEARLY that they will foul us immediately for the last 3 minutes why in F€€€ do you leave your worst FT shooters in!!! Why would you do that! If we put one of our practice team guys in or the waterboy etc that can hit a FT we win that game. We would simply trade baskets at that point with a few 3’s mixed in.

    I have NEVER in my life seen a team more lost on the press! No two guard line until almost the 1 minute mark. WTF?

    Still, The worst mistake of all time was with 3:00 left in regulation in a foul festival you have those shooters in????

    On a side note why didn’t Anya play? He was clearly doing solid.

    Sick just sick. But then again how often have we crumbled away big leads at the end?

    #48915
    djcmlc3
    Participant

    TJ, you don’t need to go out like this. 1 more year please

    #48916
    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    He was the only one that showed any damn sense out there. Tyler had feet of cement and couldn’t get the ball to him. Cat….had better be sick.

    #48917
    13OT
    Participant

    What I wanted to see tonight was a decent performance by a school that’s struggling to turn it’s once-storied program in the right direction.

    What I saw instead was probably THE textbook example of why this program is not only still mired in mediocrity, but is sinking. And tonight, the entire country saw us under a microscope.

    If you could put this team’s, no- this PROGRAM’S mental toughness on the edge of a razor blade, it would be like rolling a bb shot down the middle of I-85/40 through Burlington.

    Until NC State University goes in a different direction with the type of players and coaches it recruits, I see only ther kind of pain and suffering that our fan base is enduring tonight after the Orlando debacle.

    If I were in charge of NCSU tomorrow morning, my first move would be a complete housecleaning from the AD all the way down and through the athletics department.

    Mental midgets we are.

    #48918
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    TJ is gone, folks. Fah-get-about-it.

    #48919
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    When we put out BEST FT shooters in, they shat themselves too. There is no one moment, person, or decision that turned it. Everybody completely shut down mentally, coaches and players. Full systemic failure.

    We became self-aware. We are NC State.

    #48920
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Right before the meltdown began, I said to my wife, barring a total loss of composure, they’ve got this one in the bag. The loss of composure then began, with a free throw miss and stupid foul. It continued with turnovers, missed free throws, leaving shooters wide open from three. Hell, the coaching staff even got involved. Some really interesting combinations out there late. I’m proud as heck of those kids, so I won’t throw anyone under the bus. They’re young, but I expect better in late game situations from the coaching staff.

    #48921
    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    EAS if we put in the waterboy, they would not have been able to bring the ball up the court. They would have dribbled it off their own leg or thrown it away. No contest. Gott did not have a choice. We are not that deep.

    #48922
    MISTA WOLF
    Participant

    I knew we would lose when they came back on the court for OT. If anyone DVR’d the game, rewind and look at TJ and Turner as they wait for the tip. They folded. Gave in. However you want to say it.

    #48923
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I am so tired of state.

    Seriously sick of it. Or while athletic department is a joke

    #48924
    Lumpy
    Participant

    Worst choke job by the Pack since Vanderbilt in ’04. NC State tears your heart out on a weekly basis, but somehow they find new and unbelievable ways to reach for the bourbon year after year. I was in shock watching that last 3 minutes unfold. I’m depressed, angry, and wondering why I continue to do this to myself. Having said that:

    Let’s not spend the next 24 hrs $h!+ing all over these guys. TJ Warren just finished as good an individual season as I’ve seen since starting at State in ’93. Everyone improved over the year and they fought hard despite getting hosed on calls in what would’ve been big wins. This loss is entirely on them. No doubt. But they fought hard down the stretch just to get us into the tournament. I hate that the season ends on a meltdown like this, because they deserve to be remembered in a better light then they most likely will. I’m gonna go drink some rubbing alcohol now.

    #48925
    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    As somebody else said, 5 games in 7 days (flying to Dayton and STL)….that’s a lot to ask.

    #48926
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    They were exhausted (Warren and Turner). They physically have it to those guys, legally. It was a fine strategy.

    #48927
    96Fan
    Participant

    Its just a shame. A lot of people didn’t think we deserved to be in the tournament and I was hoping we would prove them wrong.
    Well, they were right.

    #48928
    SaccoV
    Participant

    I blame this loss on Kristine!

    #48929
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Its just a shame. A lot of people didn’t think we deserved to be in the tournament and I was hoping we would prove them wrong.
    Well, they were right.

    I don’t think that. We were a possession or FT away from the round of 32. We showed we can play, but we have a long way to go. Just not consistent.

    #48930
    Rick
    Keymaster

    This wasn’t fatigue out was a complete cowardly collapse.

    No balls by anyone.

    #48931
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Credit to St. Louis’s staff. They were prepared. They identified the poor foul shooters around the 3 minute mark, Gottfried waited to get them out, meanwhile we missed a bundle. Obviously, some of the better shooters missed as well. But credit to the St. Louis staff. They made some gutsy moves and calls with that much time.

    #48932
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    So far, we are the only 12 to lose. Harvard and North Dakota State advance. NC State doesn’t. Wow.

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