NC STATE vs WAKE FOREST Preview

Time: 7:00 pm
TV: ESPNU
Announcers: Tom Hart, Len Elmore

Wake has been off for a week since losing at Duke 83-63, their third straight loss. So the last time these two teams met was four weeks ago in Winston-Salem where the Deacons were able to win the Free Throw shooting contest 70-69. If you don’t remember, the trio of Brian Dorsey, Sean Hull, and Jamie Luckie proceeded to call 52 fouls sending Wake to the line for 39 FTA and the Pack for 31. You’ll also recall this was one of three games TJ Warren has fouled out of this weekend. Finally you may also remember the game winning layup by McIntyre where he took 3 HUUUGGGGEEEEE steps and wasn’t called for a travel.

Here’s a recap statistically of the game:

As you can see the Deacon’s shot the ball tremendously well but that should be expected if you’re going to be called for a foul just for looking at someone. I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen a game where a team took more FT attempts than FG attempts. The ACC must have been so proud for identifying all those tendencies. Wake didn’t disappoint in their inability to grab offensive rebounds, which is saying a lot against this Pack squad.

Projected Starters:
Madison Jones, Coron Williams, Travis McKie, A.W. Adala Moto, and Devin Thomas.

Codi Miller-McIntyre is suffering from an ankle injury that sidelined him for the second half of the Georgia Tech game and all of the Duke game. No word yet on if he’ll be playing tonight but the less the Pack sees of him the better. Maybe that bum ankle can prevent him running from the 3pt line for a layup without dribbling???

Since most of the players on Wake have played at least a couple of games against NC State I thought I’d take a look at how they have performed and who we should be on the lookout for the most.

I’d like to see Thomas’ numbers against every other team in the ACC but I’m guessing he’s salivating knowing State is next up. Just look at that Offensive Rating, 177!!! That is beyond belief for a guy who is so heavily used in those games.

Key No. 1 —- Someone tell Thomas the game is Wednesday night.

The Pack had zero answers for The Dash last game and hopefully he’s at best 50% for this game, otherwise it’s going to be another long night watching the Pack’s PG’s getting abused. Adala Moto was last games “insert unknown player’s name here who has a career game against the Pack”. A lot of that was due to making 11-14 FT’s. McKie’s and Cavanaugh’s numbers are weighted down due to their inability to not turn the ball over.

Series Notes
Overall: NC State leads 137-101
@NC State: State 57-23 (10-4 @PNC, 8 straight wins @PNC)

Magic Number: 65
NC State is 14-3 when they score 65 or more points.
Wake Forest is 13-3 when they score 65 or more points.

Now’s the time to weep
I thought I’d take a look at these two teams and see how they are faring in just conference play this season. It’s not pretty if you’re a Pack fan. Welcome to 2014 where NC State = Wake Forest.

As you can see there isn’t any difference between NC State and Wake Forest this season except Wake goes to the Free Throw line more and sends their opponents there more as well. Some real stinkers against UVA, Duke, and UNC have inflated the bad defensive numbers for the Pack in such a small sample size but doesn’t that say a lot as well.

We all want the Pack to be on the right side of the Bubble come Selection Sunday but if they don’t find another gear improve in several of these areas on both sides of the ball, then I don’t see how they will be able to do the minimum and beat Wake, Clemson, VT, Miami, and BC.

Road Warriors???
Wake Forest under Jeff Bzdelik is a staggering 2-28 on the road in the ACC. Who have they beaten during this amazing run of futility? Boston College (9-22, 4-12) in 2011/12 and Virginia Tech (8-15, 1-10) this year, 2013/14. Wake is currently 1-4 in ACC Road games this season and State is 3-2 in ACC Home games.

So what are they doing to accomplish this feat? Let’s take a look at how they are doing in the losses:


Wake Forest stats for ACC road losses from 2011-Present


Wake Forest stats for ACC road losses from 2011-Present (Opponents results)

It’s pretty obvious, WF just isn’t competitive on the road and the biggest culprit is the fact they can’t hit water if they feel out of a boat.

Here’s a side by side comparison of the averages between the 28 losses and the 2 wins.

As you can see the Deacons aren’t doing a whole lot different between their wins and losses except getting the ball in the basket more and playing horrible teams who can’t shoot.

So what does all this mean?

Well, for one thing no one should ever lose to Wake on their Home court and talk about NCAA Tournament in the same season. Second, be on the lookout early on to how well both teams are shooting the ball.

Predictor:
KenPom likes NC State by 6, so does Vegas. Personally I think on a neutral court this game is a toss up but with the game being in Raleigh I’m going with KP and Vegas.

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Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #40293
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    The realist is separated from the optimist by understanding the differential in meaning between “hope” and “expect.” :D

    Much like the pessimist is separated from the optimist by experience.

    #40294
    FergusWolf
    Participant

    I miss the wide variety of face palm pictures, so I thought I’d add some.

    Facepalm
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    face palmjerry palm

    anyway…enough of that digression…

    I’ve been pretty happy with the development of our young bigs this year. The Vandwagon started out hot, which I think helped a lot, and both Freeman and Washington have contributed quality minutes. They are far from perfect, but I think in a year or two with more experience, strength, and body weight (except KH), we will be pretty happy with them.

    #40295
    FergusWolf
    Participant

    apparently I suck I attaching images. well, add that to the list of things I suck at

    #40296
    Texpack
    Participant

    We have not seen improvement from that position, nor from the 5 position in during this 4/5 win streak.

    I attribute that to the Anya injury and the Vandy foul trouble/poor play leaving Freeman and Washington on the floor for too many minutes. We have played our best ball when Vandy plays well enough to eat up 27-30 minutes. That leaves 17ish minutes apiece for the three headed freshman monster. Freeman looks “wore out” to me. They all three play hard every minute, but Freeman just doesn’t look as fresh as he did earlier this season.

    #40297
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    I need more Vandwagon! He played well in the 1st Wake game, with 10 & 7 and a block. But he didn’t score in the last 14 minutes…

    #40298
    13OT
    Participant

    Let’s hope the Dog Show doesn’t start until 9pm.

    #40299
    Rick
    Keymaster

    This oz going to break soMe heaRts but I will be choosing my son’s team until after the half, do someone catch me up and throw in some good ref bashing for me.

    #40300
    44rules
    Participant

    Optimist says the glass is half-full. Pessimist says it’s half-empty. Realist knows if he hangs around long enough, he’s going to have to wash the damn glass.

    Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. Mao Zedong

    #40301
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^ paper cups… my man… paper cups….

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40302
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Fair enough, Bill … let’s just hope for a 40 point outburst against Syracuse hahaha

    Re: Washington – the best thing about his game this season has been his intangibles: tons of energy and spirit. The consummate glue guy … start adding production to that and it is a very potent combo.

    Washington seems like the type of player / guy who will take huge strides next season … he’s still fun to watch this season.

    #40303
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    WBS gets the start.

    #40304
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    If we break 40 against Cuse, I will take that as a win of sorts.

    #40305
    Texpack
    Participant

    Wake has already gotten away with two blatant obvious pushes in the back. One on Washington on the lay up and previously on an offensive rebound that we were in position for until getting shoved. Those no calls drive me nuts.

    #40306
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    OK.. rick… that’s the first four… a tie…

    gonna take us a few more minutes to get used to this pace….
    after the last three or four games of slowball…
    But we can run…

    Anybody else seeing what I’m seeing so far ???

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40307
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    We’re gonna beat ‘Cuse.

    #40308
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^ pass that… this way… wufpacker…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40309
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    LOL bill.

    Nice D and finish by Warren there.

    #40310
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    It’s the Tyler and CUZ show … so far….

    Turner is next to join the party….

    then VANDWAGON.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40311
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I was just thinking this morning – how many points would I have to get before I’d bet on State to cover in upstate NY? Probably 20-25, and that’s only for the backdoor cover potential AND only if you put a gun to my head and made me bet one way or the other.

    Hey, I saw a few minutes of the UVA game.

    Methinks we beat Wake pretty soundly though.

    #40312
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    I’m sorry but our perimeter players aren’t communicating on D and leaving guys wide open.

    #40313
    PackFamily
    Participant

    Warren is balls out tonight.

    #40314
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    BJD, if I didn’t know better I’d think that you weren’t taking seriously my prognostications for a win in the carrier dome….???

    #40315
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Dang it Barber, stop shooting.

    #40316
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Ok rick that’s your second four… we won that one…

    … hmmm… with ANTHONY at the point now… Deacs go to the zone…
    wonder what they think they know…??

    Six turnovers by Wake so far….
    Coach BZZZZZZZZZZZZ is going to TRY to slow this game down… watch for it….

    But we’re rolling now and it ain’t going to be easy.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40317
    PackFamily
    Participant

    Both teams are shooting well. One will play better on D and shut the other down. I hope it’s us.

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