NC STATE at SYRACUSE Preview

Time: 3:00 pm
TV: ACC Network
Announcers: Steve Martin, Mike Gminski

NC State kicks off a three game road trip, starting with flying to New York to play Syracuse in the Carrier Dome. The Pack have had some big successes in the Carrier Dome. Who can forget 1998 and Torry Holt?

Last Time Out:
Syracuse traveled to Pitt and escaped with their #1 ranking and undefeated record still intact when Tyler Ennis drains a long three as time expires to win 58-56.

ZONE, ZONE, and more ZONE. The Pack’s worst nightmare matchup (outside of trying to beat UNC at its own game without the horses to match them) has finally arrived, athletic, talented, big men who are quick and play tough zone defense and control the tempo at their slowed down pace. Gee, what DON’T they do well? Defensive Rebounding, that’s it folks. Basketball is all about matchups and momentum, M&M. (oh boy do I love the peanut variety) The Pack simply matches up poorly against the Orange so if they Pack play their typical game it will be another typical blowout against a top ranked team.

Probable Starters:
#5 CJ Fair (6-8 215 SR) Forward – Fair is not having the type of season worthy of all the POY talk that he gets but that doesn’t mean he’s not All ACC material. He only has an ORtg of 102 and an average rebounding rate and his shooting (eFG) is only 47.2%.
#11 Tyler Ennis (6-2 180 FR) Guard – Ennis is one seriously talented freshman point guard. He sports an assist rate of 32.3% coupled with a turnover rate of only 13.3. This kid is solid at running the Orange and he can play defense and score too. Ennis is just as dangerous as Fair.
#10 Trevor Cooney (6-4 195 SO) Guard – Three Point Specialist, 72% of his shots come from outside the arc and he’s good at making them (.433). Give up the 2 in favor of not letting him shoot 3’s.
#25 Rakeem Christmas (6-9 250 JR) Forward – Christmas is a shot blocking, rebounding machine that may only take 4 or 5 shots a game he’ll make most of them (.684).
#3 Jerami Grant (6-8 210 SO) Forward – Grant became the starter after DaJuan Coleman was lost for the season back in early January due to a knee injury. Grant may not have started the season as the starter but he’s proven to be a quality player. Must be nice to have a guy come off the bench and give you an ORtg of 118, rebound, block, and score.

Bench:
#12 Baye Keita (6-10 220 SR), #0 Michael Gbinije (6-7 200 SO), #21 Tyler Roberson (6-8 212 FR)

All are good rebounders and Keita is a shot blocker. We’re likely to see more of Keita and Gbinije than Roberson.

Keys to the Pack winning:

Three things the Pack must do differently to have a chance at winning:

1. Defensive Rebounding. Limit their second chances due to fewer possessions.
2. Get to the FT Line and make a high percentage of them.
3. Make a high percentage of 3’s to give Warren room to move inside.

Bonus Key: Guards handle the pressure and not turn the ball over.

Magic Number: 65
NC State is 15-3 when they score 65 or more points this season.
Syracuse has only allowed 6 teams to score 65 or more points this season.

Another Magic Number: 25
NC State is 8-0 when TJ Warren scores 25 or more points this season.

One More Magic Number: 50
NC State is 9-0 when they shoot 50% or better.

Series Notes:

NC State is 1-4 against Syracuse

12/4/90 #4 Syracuse 86, NC State 79 (at Syracuse)
2/3/01 #12 Syracuse 54, NC State 53 (at PNC)
12/8/01 NC State 82, #9 Syracuse 68 (at Syracuse)
2/13/11 #8 Syracuse 65, NC State 59 (at Syracuse)
12/17/12 #1 Syracuse 88, NC State 72 (at PNC)

Fun Facts

– NC State has an 8-0 record when shooting the same number or more free throws than its opponents.
– State is 7-1 when making the same or more foul shots.
– State is 15-1 when it shoots better/same as opponent.

ADVANTAGES

I’m still waiting on this “improvement” to show up so I don’t have to keep seeing all these facepalms. Pack Offense vs. Orange Defense, will the Pack turn Syracuse’s Zone into Sunny D or will the Tropicana Concentrate shutdown anything the Pack has?

DE-FEN-SIVE RE-BOUND-ING. I’ll keep saying this until I’m blue in the face or until someone on the coaching staff realizes it’s killing us. The one stat I’ll be looking at to measure our chances. If the Pack’s offense can overcome the zone then defensive rebounding will likely be the deciding factor in the game.

PREDICTOR

Vegas likes Syracuse by 14. KenPom likes the Orange by 15 and gives State a 7% chance at winning.

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #41103
    Rick
    Keymaster

    LOL, yes. I admit that I do not subscribe to the “ACC pays to have NC State lose” mentality. Just going by the replay. Dribbling off the leg? Please. Not holding the ball on the trap? They just looked like a young team that was very nervous at the end. They had a (damn good) chance to take it, and they let it slip away.

    Nice troll

    Hey Einstein explain the HUGE foul discrepancy. Or just troll some more

    #41104
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    You can’t just hold it there, Bill. It would be a (quick) 5 second call. That’s what Boeheim wants out of that trap – a throw away works, too. Still though tough spot for a freshman. And Lewis wouldn’t be the answer there either as he wouldn’t be able to see out of it. Just a tough spot.

    #41105
    WeAreCured
    Participant

    I know I may make a lot of people mad, but without having the ability to replay, it looked to me like the foul on TJ occurred when he had the ball below his waist, getting ready to begin his two steps into launch, and since there is no continuation in the NCAA like in the NBA, and it was not a hard foul and was a play at the ball, I think it was correctly called.

    I’m also going to go out on a limb and say that the lack of fouls on Syracuse is somewhat understandable. They were playing a tight zone, and State was not penetrating or getting it to anyone down low. When there were clear fouls on either team, they were called. State had more clear fouls than Syracuse. No question. However, there were two or three off ball ticky tack fouls called on Lewis and Washington that would seem to have been matched, given the tight zone, by Syracuse on the other end, but there was never a call. They were hitting their 1 and 1s. That hurt. We could have used the opportunity to match.

    Just saw the replay, and that inbound play was horrendous. They played right into their tight zone and Barber made a horrible decision and pass. Bummer.

    #41109
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Come on guys….

    All this about the vaunted ‘Cuse Zone ???

    F-that…. a month ago … we had NO ZONE OFFENSE… and tonight we did exactly what we wanted to do against the vaunted ‘Cuse Zone all night… the ball stayed in the paint all night…. you can blame our missed outside shots and free throws on the DOME but not on the vaunted ‘Cuse Zone….

    AND What about our MAN-TO_MAN DEFENSE ???

    Our kids plus the VANDWAGON in the middle…. just held the NUMBER ONE TEAM IN THE NATION to 57 freaking points….
    We didn’t do that with 20+/- other lesser teams this season…

    Our BIGS were BIG… rebound s…’Cuse had one more than we did… Nobody fouled out…. The perimeter guys shut down Ennis and the rest of the ‘Cuse guards… If Xmas hadn’t had a career night…. we wouldn’t even be talking about the vaunted ‘Cuse zone.

    Some of ya’ll need to get some perspective and show our kids some love….

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #41110
    mroli
    Participant

    Nice troll

    Hey Einstein explain the HUGE foul discrepancy. Or just troll some more

    No troll. Class of 89 (83-89), and season ticket holder since. I’ve seen some great State teams and some really bad ones. Good teams find ways to win. This team is young, and almost there. I thought it was a great game that they didn’t finish. One break at the end and they win, and you don’t get many chances like that.

    Too bad really, because they outplayed them. It kills me that they lost. I just can’t blame it on outside forces. They had it…

    So, sorry if my opinion upsets you. Not intentional.

    #41112
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Wac did you watch the game? We were forcing the ball to the middle is that zone all game and NO calls.

    And how do we go from two calls to 15 from one half to the other?

    We got screwed and it was so obvious it should be called out. But the media will fawn all over su and how they win the closer games.

    Which is what the acc wants. They have to prop up k’s butt boy

    #41113
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    You can cry your hearts out on the call….but it was the right one.

    RIGHT as freakin rain.

    #41114
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Nice troll

    Hey Einstein explain the HUGE foul discrepancy. Or just troll some more

    No troll. Class of 89 (83-89), and season ticket holder since. I’ve seen some great State teams and some really bad ones. Good teams find ways to win. This team is young, and almost there. I thought it was a great game that they didn’t finish. One break at the end and they win, and you don’t get many chances like that.

    Too bad really, because they outplayed them. It kills me that they lost. I just can’t blame it on outside forces. They had it…

    So, sorry if my opinion upsets you. Not intentional.

    Keep on trolling.

    I notice no explain of the foul discrepancy.

    Troll on

    #41115
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^Wufpack… not that it matters… as I said… holding the ball is impossible to coach…

    but hypothetically … with the ball out of bounds under their basket with 6.7 seconds left….

    I’ll take the chances of the defenders being too aggressive and fouling so I can throw the ball in again with less time
    or
    the 5 second call … in which case… they have the ball out and the length of the floor to go with 2 seconds more or less and I get to set up a 2/3 court press….
    as opposed to trying to pass or dribble the ball… especially out of the corner….

    Just saying….

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #41116
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    The Cuse zone held us to 55, and forced us into some errors late. So it ain’t chopped liver. I agree we handled it well for the most part, but in the end it did what it is designed to do. That’s why Cuse is in all these dang things game after game. It travels, too.

    #41117
    Rick
    Keymaster

    You can cry your hearts out on the call….but it was the right one.

    RIGHT as freakin rain.

    So predictable. I even called it in the game that you would be on here blowing the refs.

    #41118
    WeAreCured
    Participant

    You can cry your hearts out on the call….but it was the right one.

    RIGHT as freakin rain.

    Agree.

    Wac did you watch the game? We were forcing the ball to the middle is that zone all game and NO calls.

    And how do we go from two calls to 15 from one half to the other?

    We got screwed and it was so obvious it should be called out. But the media will fawn all over su and how they win the closer games.

    Which is what the acc wants. They have to prop up k’s butt boy

    I don’t know what to say other than when we were going inside, we scored and they didn’t foul. I need to watch a replay, but in the final 6 or 7 minutes, we just passed it along the arc and never went inside. Like I said, there were definitely some off ball ticky tack fouls called on us that logically, one would assume, should have been called on the other end; however, those were only 3, maybe 4 whistles, and the other fouls called were definitely fouls. Even so, that hurts, and in a vacuum could be cited as one of many possible reasons for the L, such as missed free throws and ill-timed turnovers.

    #41119
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    That wasn’t the situation, Bill.

    #41120
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Cat turned it over with 14 on the clock. Plenty of time to force the five call and go down the floor for the win.

    #41121
    Packzingo
    Participant

    The Pack fan southern summary: same sh_t, different game, results the same with a big friggin L

    All the other stuff is just for conversation: ref’s, freshmen, inexperience,
    panic, etc……. every team goes thru the same crap, we just do it every friggin big game!!!

    #41122
    mroli
    Participant

    Keep on trolling.

    I notice no explain of the foul discrepancy.

    Troll on

    The fouls were 18 – 14 in favor of Syracuse. Close enough that it should not have mattered. And the call at the end was likely the right one. Not much else to say past that.

    #41123
    Fastback68
    Participant

    IIRC loss to Maryland in 2000 was start of 7 game losing streak before we won last 2 regular season games. I think Vitale said we were in ncaat during the game while at 17-5. Was it the same year Wells missed 3pt shot to beat Maryland at ACCT? I was there. Maryland fans were complete assholes outside charlotte coliseum. Staff, get these kids ready for Clemson. No more losses.

    #41124
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    You have to have an inbounder that knows to throw it off the leg and reset the inbounds there.

    That is where a Scott Wood type experienced guy keeps his composure.

    Folks need to cut this team some slack for putting out a completely new roster this season. Players need reps of in game experience to get there and other then Ennis I just see a Cuse roster full of returning players from past years.

    #41125
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    The Cuse zone held us to 55, and forced us into some errors late.

    … and FWIW… so have a bunch of other teams this year…. who didn’t run the vaunted ‘CUSE zone…

    …. back to my other point…

    A seasoned guard with a high bball IQ…. when stuck in the corner like that with time running out …
    would have mysteriously ‘flopped’ on his face out of bounds while simultaneously throwing the ball into the seats with one hand and grabbing the defenders wrist with the other causing the defender to land on top of him….

    Ya’ll HAVE seen that play hav’nt you…..

    I know Mr. Dog has.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #41126
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    The highlights are up on the front page on espn.com for anyone that can stomach it. Conveniently mo mention of the Warren continuation situation. The Barber turnover looks to be legit – no foul there, just way too much panic. Fair then went down the floor and scored with 6 on the clock. Blech.

    #41127
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    Folks really need to cut this team some slack. If rolling out four freshman, a two transfers don’t mean squat then everyone in the league would be 6-6. It’s so easy to just pick up with anyone at seasons beginning because the HC and players should all be as great as they will ever be by now. It’s that easy, and everyone is doing it so why can’t we.

    #41128
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    The Cuse zone is good, very good, Bill. Not sure what your point is regarding it. It’s good against us and it’s good against others as well. That’s what they do. That’s how Boeheim has won a zillion games there. He knows how to teach that sucker. And it travels.

    #41130
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Ricky…Gotta tell ya…you come at me one more time like that and I will expunge your post.

    Then I’ll kick your ass.

    #41131
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^^My point is “HOW GOOD WE PLAYED…not them”.

    Nothing more, nothing less…

    This is the same bunch of kids who in their last “Big Game” two Saturdays past…..couldn’t find each other on the floor much less the basket.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #41132
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Gotcha. Yes, we played great, and it stinks to be on the losing end like this we can all agree.

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