NC STATE at MIAMI Preview

Time: 2:00 pm
TV: RSN (FOX Sports South)
Announcers: Wes Durham, Dave Odom

Jim Larranaga doesn’t have the horses that he had last year to keep up the offensive pace but once again he has a strong defense. The strange thing about his defense this year is he’s switched from 40 years of man-to-man defense to pure zone defense. So what’s this team like, zero offense, strong defense, and slow as molasses. Strike that, molasses is warp speed compared to Miami. This team is so slow they are currently ranked DFL in tempo. That’s right folks, they are 351 out of 351 teams in the country. I’m just trying to prepare you in case you need medical attention after watching this game. If anyone watched the Miami/Pitt game then you know what I’m talking about.

Last Time Out:

CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) – Miami held ACC opponent Pitt to 33 percent shooting from the floor, but came up short in OT against the nation’s 25/22 ranked team, 59-55.

Lamar Patterson scored 25 points to help Pittsburgh end a two-game losing streak.

Cameron Wright added 12 points and Talib Zanna had 10 for Pittsburgh (19-4, 7-3 Atlantic Coast Conference).

Rion Brown had 21 points for Miami (11-11, 2-7).

Patterson made one of two free throws with 10.6 seconds left to give the Panthers a 57-55 lead. Brown’s pass as he drove toward the basket was intercepted by Patterson, who made two free throws to seal the victory.

Patterson made a layup with 13.1 seconds left in regulation to give Pittsburgh a one-point lead, but Manu Lecomte of Miami made the second of two free throws with 7 seconds left to tie the game at 46.

Probable Starters:

#15 Rion Brown (6-6 211 SR) Guard – Brown is the most dangerous member on this team. He pulls the most minutes, possessions, shots, and 3FGA on the team, just a hair behind Kirk for most 2FG, as well as their best FT shooter, all while sporting an ORtg of 114.5. Probably best to key in and stick Lee on him like glue.
#25 Garrius Adams (6-6 200 SR) Guard – Talk about a tall guard. Adams missed basically two years with injuries, including medical hardship waiver in 2012-13 after knee surgery. He’s back logging major minutes and possessions but he isn’t shooting the ball very well and this has a sub-100 ORtg of 92. He’s never been a great shooter, his 2fg% and 3fg% are down while his FT% is up 10 pts to 65%. Adams is splitting his time playing SF, SG, and PG. Mr. Versatility.
#22 Donnavan Kirk (6-9 228 SR) Forward – Kirk spent the last 2 years at Depaul before transferring to Miami for his senior season. His increased minutes and possessions haven’t hurt his shooting but he is struggling from the line compared to his previous years (which means he’ll shoot 100% against State). Kirk is great at rebounding, especially offensively which plays right into Gottfried’s game plan of giving teams as many chances at shooting the ball as they need to score or get the Pack’s players into foul trouble. Oh and Kirk is a top notch shot blocker.
#20 Manu Lecomte (5-9 159 FR) Point Guard – Finally, someone Tyler Lewis can look in the eye. Manu (Manu) is getting a lot of playing time his freshman year and doing okay with his workload, 102 ORtg. His high Assist Rate (20) is only beaten by his high TO Rate (22.6).
#23 Tonye Jekiri (7-0 235 SO) Center – Yes, another battle of foreign seven footers!!!! Well for half the game at least. See both Jekiri and Vandenburg only play about half the game, usually due to foul trouble for both of them. Jekiri isn’t much of a scorer but he grabs rebounds and blocks shots.

Bench
#5 Davon Reed (6-6 208 FR), #35 James Kelly (6-7 246 JR), #21 Erik Swoope (6-5 220 SR), #4 Raphael Akejiori (6-9 241 SR)

Reed helps out at PG but isn’t as good as Lecomte, he doesn’t distribute the ball as well, has a high turnover rate, and doesn’t shoot the ball very well. Kelly is a JUCO transfer and has missed recent games at Maryland and home against Norfolk State due to the dreaded lower extremity injury and only played one minute of the Pitt game. Normally Kelly is a good rebounder and shooter so who knows if he even plays against State or how effective he’ll be. Swoope provides solid minutes though he doesn’t contribute much in the scoring department, like most of the team.

SERIES NOTES:
• Miami is 5-9 in the all-time series against NC State, which dates back to the 1939-40 season. The Canes are 3-3 against the Wolfpack at home, 1-0 at neutral sites and 1-6 on the road. Miami won the last matchup against NC State, defeating the Wolfpack, 79-78, on Feb. 2, 2013 in Raleigh.
• Miami swept the Pack last year winning by 1 in Raleigh and by 10 in the ACCT.
• Miami vs. NC State:
– Since joining the ACC in 2004-05: 6-8
– Since the arrival of Jim Larrañaga in 2011-12: 2-2

Magic Number: 65
• NC State is 14-3 when they score 65 or more points.
• Miami is 7-1 when they score 65 or more points.

Interesting Stuff:
• Miami is the only ACC team with zero returning starters. Additionally, Miami lost its six top players, who started 174 combined games. Rion Brown is the only Hurricane to start any games (6) last season, so the Canes return 6-of-180 starts, which is 3.3 percent.

• Two transfers joined the Canes this season in James Kelly, who averaged 17.9 ppg and 10.0 rpg in two JC seasons and Donnavan Kirk, who played 54 games for DePaul the past two seasons, leading the team in blocked shots.

• After playing man-to-man defense 95 percent of the time in his first 40 years of coaching, Jim Larrañaga’s team is now playing zone 95 percent of the game.

With the zone, Miami has held 14 of its last 15 opponents to less than 70 points, and only three teams overall this season have scored more than 70 points on the Canes: 80-Georgia Southern, 71-George Washington, 74-Maryland. Prior to the game vs. Florida State, UM held five-straight opponents to fewer than 60 points.

In seven of the last eight conference games, Miami has held Syracuse (twice), North Carolina, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Duke considerably below their offensive season scoring averages. Those seven teams entered the game with the Canes averaging a combined 75.6 points per game, but have been held to an average of 57.3 ppg.

• Senior Rion Brown scored 21 points against Pittsburgh, scoring five of Miami’s nine OT points, and six points in the final four minutes of regulation.

In his last three games, Brown has notched 20.3 ppg, hitting 48.6% FG and 41.7% 3FG. Brown averages 14.3 ppg in ACC play, hitting 45.0% from the field and 41.2 % from long range.

• Three players are redshirting this season: Freshman guard Deandre Burnett (left wrist injury), Junior Guard Sheldon McClellan (transfer from Texas), and Angel Rodriguez (transfer from Kansas State).

Who Has the Advantage?

Here’s the good news, we don’t have to suffer watching State miss FT’s thanks to the Canes not sending them to the line.

Everyone just needs to look away whenever Miami has the ball, seriously, Pack fans have suffered enough already.

Predictor:
KenPom and Vegas like Miami by 4.

I predict you’ll be clawing your eyes out, if you haven’t already fallen asleep in the first 10 minutes. Can NC State beat a zone defense the entire game? I’m still not sold and going with Miami.

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #40181
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Buckets 27pts
    Turner 17pts
    V 4
    Lee 3
    Lewis 3
    Nard 2

    Miami 55.9% ORbd.

    We had no business winning that game.

    #40182
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    We are NOT good at end of game situations. It’s like we’ve never played basketball a day in our lives.

    #40183
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    BJD, just add “end of game situations” to Free Throw shooting and Defensive Rebounding on the list of things we must never practice.

    #40184
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    re: rebounding – granted, it must improve, but as Odom pointed out the ball was going right to Miami a lot of the time (in Miami’s end)

    #40185
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I still can’t fully believe what I just saw. Madness. That might have been the stupidest minute of basketball I’ve ever seen. Yet we still somehow won.

    #40186
    packalum44
    Participant

    We fouled him on that heave. Hahahaha they could have called that. Kyle is an idiot. Two idiotic plays to end game.

    Bill I prefer high tempo game with full court press and good defense. However we don’t play good defense. Awful really and we have better personnel this year. We can’t mask it with good offense this year. We play even worse pressure D. Never seen Gott use it. Seen 3/4 press some but it was executed so poorly I cringe. It only works if you create turnovers and have athletes and technique to do it.

    K turns marginal athletes into good defenders. Gary did it. It’s not hard for really smart coaches. Coaching is zero sum game. One loses for every win. You just have to be smarter than other coach. It’s a chess match all else equal.

    #40187
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Want to know why it was going right to Miami? Because 90% of the time every State big is trying to block the shot, even if it takes 3 to try to block, thus leaving Miami players all alone to grab a rebound.

    #40188
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    There were a lot of long rebounds off of jumpers, that’s what I was referring to.

    #40189
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Also, we continuously give up +45% ORebounding to the opposition. Once or twice and you can say it’s the bounce of the ball. All freaking season and it’s a trend.

    #40190
    packalum44
    Participant

    If anyone actually enjoys watching Gotfried coached teams you may be a perverse individual. Of just ignorance is bliss.

    Yow can’t be pleased with Mark over last two years. A trend is sprouting up.

    #40191
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Let me say this….

    CUZ made the difference this afternoon !

    Now… here’s the secret recipe…

    In the second half… CUZ was clearly more focused, more determined to get the job done for the entire twenty minutes.
    Starting at the 5:43 mark in the fourth quarter…
    Eight straight free throws … nothing but net… at the end… says it all.

    CUZ seems to be motivated by those around him…. the better everybody else plays the better CUZ plays.
    In the first half… well … CUZ mostly watched.
    In the second half… well… CUZ wasn’t going to “watch” anybody.

    We all want to see more of that.
    Book that Coaches.

    Our BIGS did not impress today… but if you have seen the ‘Canes play this year… you know their NoName-BIGS are tough, workmanlike guys who can match up well with and push most anybody in the country.

    That said… to be the Team we can be… we GOTT to get more out of our BIGS…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40192
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    I enjoy watching State play, I guess I must be perverse AND ignorant. Good to know.

    #40193
    Fastback68
    Participant

    Still LMAO. Nobody and I mean Nobody plays basketball like NC State. Crazy ball. Back to .500. Good Times.

    #40194
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    44…

    What did you think about that ‘Cuse – Dook game last weekend ?

    You’re right, at least conceptually, good/great defense is worth 5-10 wins a season by itself.
    But the problem is…. that NOBODY in high school coaches or plays good defense anymore….

    What Coach Rat, Williams, Boeheim and a few other dinosaurs ( Bennet at UVA, Freeman at FSU too ) do consistently is to take kids with decent athleticism AND who are COACHABLE and over a couple of seasons teach them how to play solid team defense.

    But they are starting from scratch with their freshman every season.

    AND they keep their kids on campus for 3 or 4 years…. they are not playing the one and done game like Kentucky and some others.
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    You are also right when you said

    “You just have to be smarter than other coach. It’s a chess match all else equal. “

    I said the same thing on another thread back in December. This is even more important when you have a team of “kids”….
    Good Coaches ought to win 3-5 games a season simply by out coaching the other Coach.

    Gott & Company has a lot of strengths…. but this is an area where they may still have some room for improvement…
    That said…. we have not seen anything crazy coming from our bench in the last two minutes of the game for over a month now.

    And back to Rick’s comment…. Coach WISH players would / could do what they tell them to do.
    _____________________

    Coach-ing v. Coach-ablity.

    That’s the most fundamental question in college basketball today.

    _____________________
    I’m not perverse and I’m not ignorant… but I have enjoyed watching this Team develop a whole lot more than last years….

    It IS just like watching your kids grow up.

    44 — you got any kids yet ??

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #40195
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    I said it was going to be eye bleeding to watch this game and they didn’t prove me wrong.

    #40196
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    K, Bennett, Hamilton teams play great defense EVERY year. Some coaches GOTT it and some don’t. This is not an emphasis in our program.

    #40197
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    State made 7 fg’s in the second half. The last one came at 6:32 remaining. That’s right, we didn’t make a basket during the final 6.5 minutes of the game. Every made basket was in the paint. Warren went 8-8 on FT’s during the final 6:30. Turner went 1-2. Washington went 0-2.

    #40198
    MBS
    Participant

    I hate to find out that I’m ignorant and perverse, but I think this team can be fun to watch. Besides, 5-5 right now is not so bad. Duke, Virginia, and the 2nd half of Pitt were horrific, but 4 out of 5 since the Duke debacle is strong. We have SO far to go, but the good news is, we’re 5-5 in the league and improving steadily.

    Having said that, we were lucky to get out with a win today.

    #40199
    Texpack
    Participant

    Didn’t even look at the site until the game was over. It’s interesting to read what everyone’s thoughts were after the fact. Simple formula today. Turner bombs carried us in the first half. Warren carried us in the second half. Ugly win. Move on.

    #40200
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    They CAN indeed be fun to watch. Not today. But escaping with a win gives us a much better chance to see fun shit to watch the next couple of weeks. Lose today, and you are in a competitive and psychological hole too deep to climb out of.

    #40201
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    And I dunno what happened the first 17:52 most of us were stuck with Pitt/VPI. But the last 20:00 was some of the consistently worst PG play I’ve seen since poor Gavin tried his hand at the position.

    Not blaming WBS. Cat was every bit as bad when he played.

    #40203
    Rick
    Keymaster

    And back to Rick’s comment…. Coach WISH players would / could do what they tell them to do.

    I am NOT talking about them doing everything a coach says perfectly. What I am saying is if a coach really wants his team to play defense or rebound they will, for the most part, do it.

    #40206
    JeremyH
    Participant

    Good Win! (Because its a win.)

    I had a hard time watching the last couple of minutes, because I knew it would be decided on a last second sort of deal. I kept flipping to cross-country skiing to take the edge off…

    There was a moment where we were up 6 with 6 minutes left, had recovered a rebound, and Warren threw it away on a break. If we had slowed things down more at that point, it just wouldn’t have been such a close finish. If Lewis can provide a little more offense, then we can have him in there when we need him, the steady force that he can be.

    #40207
    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    I’ll take the win and call it karma for last year’s loss.

    Let’s back those guys from Wake and then head to Clemson and get a couple of games over .500 in the ACC standings.

    Is this a great team? No. But considering everything, the team is exceeding expectations a bit.

    #40208
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Only problem Alpha is we have @Syracuse between WFU/Clemson. I’m going to go out on a limb and call that one a loss now.

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