NC State at Wake Forest Preview

Tip Off: 9:00pm

TV: ACC Network
Announcers: Tim Brando, Dan Bonner

Here’s to never seeing what happened Saturday night against UVA every happening again, on to the next opponent…Wake Forest. Wake is currently riding a 10 game home winning streak this year, (1-2 on neutral court and 0-3 on the road), so this should be an interesting game against the Pack who is 3-1 on the road this year (8-4 at home).

The Bzzzzz’s have shown marketable improvement so far this year compared to last by increasing their efficiency on the offensive end without sacrificing their defense or tempo. They’ve done this by turning the ball over less, grabbing more offensive rebounds, and getting to the charity stripe more, though they haven’t been very charitable this year. Most of their scoring comes from inside the arc where only 28% of their shots come three point land. FYI the Pack are only shooting 23% of their shots from behind the arc. Wake has improved their field goal defense both inside and outside the arc as well as blocking more shots but they aren’t as likely to force turnovers or create steals.

Projected Starting Lineup:
#0 Cody Miller-McIntyre (6-3, 195, SO) – He’s on the court the most, has the most team possessions, takes the most shots, and has a decent 106 ORtg. He’s their QB but he’s also their main scorer, not only in shots but he draws a ton of fouls to get to the line while staying out of foul trouble himself. It would be best to give Barber some help guarding him and don’t put Lewis on him at all.
#13 Coron Williams (6-1, 175, SR) – Posting a terrific 128.6 ORtg while taking 24% of the team’s shots, 70% of his shots are 3’s (.418). Outside of that he doesn’t do much else. HINT. HINT.
#30 Travis McKie (6-7, 220, SR) – McKie is slowed by an ankle injury but is still playing. Nothing spectacular about his season, just putting up good, solid numbers all around.
#34 Tyler Cavanaugh (6-9, 230, SO) – Another solid player who shoots well from 2fg, defensive rebounding, and shoots FT’s well (.757). He has a tendancy to turn the ball over, draw as many fouls as he commits (which is a lot), and shoots the 3 ball too much for his percentage (.242).
#2 Devin Thomas (6-9, 245, SO) – Thomas plays around the basket. He goes hard after rebounds, on both ends, and shoots pretty good (.534). He hasn’t taken a single 3 so no point guarding him if he’s out there. He draws fouls while also committing them, basically another guy State needs to take advantage of by getting him into foul trouble quickly.

Bench: Arnaud William Adala Moto (6-6, 225, SO), Miles Overton (6-4, 210, FR), Madison Jones (6-1, 160, SO), Andre Washington (7-0, 240, SO), Aaron Rountree (6-8, 195, SO)

Outside of Washington posting a 100 ORtg, everyone else is pretty bad, so I’m looking forward to seeing some battles of the 7-footers tonight. Jones is the backup PG and while he has a high assist rate (26.4%) he has an even higher turnover rate (37.1%).

SO WHO HAS THE ADVANTAGE:

A Tempo Free Statistical look at the match up using pictures.

Key Code:
Hercules – (Top 10% in the nation) If someone ask if you’re a god you say YES!!!
Frank Beamer – (10-40%) Good but not great, still solid results.
Average Joe – (40-60%) Not good, Not bad, just average.
Polar Bear (offense) or Statue (defense) – (60-90%) Too painful to watch, must avert eyes.
Possum – (Bottom 10%) You might as well be dead because you’re playing like it.

KenPom predictor likes Wake Forest by 5 and I see no reason to doubt it at this point.

TIDBITS:

– NC State is 3-1 against Wake Forest under Mark Gottfried.

– NC State leads the all-time series with Wake Forest, 137-100. In its 238th all-time meeting, the series is the second-most frequent matchup in the ACC.

– Wake Forest is 18-6 against NC State at the Joel Coliseum, including an 86-84 win over the Wolfpack last season. The Deacons have taken six of the last nine at the venue.

Magic Number: 65
(2013-14 Season)
NC State is 11-1 when they have scored 65 or more points.
NC State is 0-4 when they have scored less than 65 points.
Wake Forest is 10-2 when they have scored 65 or more points.
Wake Forest is 1-3 when they have scored less than 65 points.

Improved shooting by Turner: Ralston Turner, who made 95 shots from 3-point range during his two seasons at LSU, leads NC State with 30 made 3-pointers. Turner scored a season high 21 points in the win over Detroit. He shot 6-for-8 from 3-point range and made his final five attempts on the night. He buried three treys against Northwestern for 13 points and made 4-for-7 from 3-point land in NC State’s game at Cincinnati. He is 12 for his last 23 from long range. Here’s a breakdown:

3FG-3FGA Pct.
First 8 Games 11-35 .314
Last 8 Games 19-34 .559

– Wake coach Jeff Bzdelik said senior forward Travis McKie, whose godfather is N.C. State staff member Dereck Whittenburg, has been slowed by an ankle injury for a few weeks. In the last five games, the only time McKie scored more than seven points was a 16-point outing against North Carolina.

Common Opponents:

Tennessee – NCSU (road) W 65-58; WFU (neutral) L 63-82
UNCG – NCSU (road) W 68-64; WFU (home) W 59-51
Virginia – NCSU (home) L 45-76; WFU (road) L 51-74
Pittsburgh – NCSU (home) L 62-74; WFU (road) L 65-80

News Stuff:

Brett Friedlander (starnewsonline.com)
Homebody Deacons vs. Road Warrior Wolfpack … something’s got to give

The contrast between the Deacons at home and on the road is startling.
Wake is shooting 45.5 percent, holding its opponents to just 37.6 percent from the floor, outrebounding the opposition 45-35 and averaging 78.5 points per game in its nine games at the Joel – all wins.

The numbers are virtually reversed in its three true road games, all losses, with the Deacons being held to just 36.8 percent shooting, allowing its opponents to make 45.6 percent of its shots, getting outrebounded 42-29 and scoring only 56.3 points per game.

When asked to explain the disparity following his team’s 74-51 drubbing at Virginia last Wednesday, Bzdelik had no answer.

“Obviously toughness, mental and physical toughness. Competitive spirit. Discipline,” Bzdelik said. “All those intangibles are truly tested when you’re away from home.”

They are traits that seem to come naturally for the Wolfpack, though if you ask Gottfried for the reason, he’s equally as mystified as to why.

We seem to play very sound basketball and we have had a great togetherness on the road,” said the State coach, whose Wolfpack has won at Tennessee, UNC Greensboro and Notre Dame in the last month. “We’ve played with great purpose and that’s something we need to continue to do.

“We’re defending as a team, five guys working together – the things you want to do every night. We’ve been able to have some poise, some resiliency, and bounce back when people make runs. You have to continue to do that to have a chance on Wednesday night.”

Bret Strelow (fayobserver.com)
N.C. State coach taking gentle approach with young Wolfpack

N.C. State coach Mark Gottfried described his team’s performance Saturday against Virginia as “pretty pitiful.”

He’s taking a positive approach with the Wolfpack (11-5, 1-2 ACC) as it prepares to play at Wake Forest (11-5, 1-2) Wednesday night.

“I’m not the kind of coach that beats my team down and berates them,” Gottfried said. “I’ve never believed in that. These are my guys; I recruited them. We had a difficult day, and we have to get ourselves back up and get ourselves ready to play on the road.”

[snip]

“This is not a veteran team,” Gottfried said. “We have to get our team into a very confident place, so we’re going to be really positive.”

Winning at Wake has proved difficult for road teams. The Demon Deacons haven’t lost any of their last 11 games at Joel Coliseum, and an 86-84 upset of N.C. State last season was one of several noteworthy results at home.

For the Wolfpack to bounce back, it needs a better showing from leading scorer T.J. Warren, who managed just four points on 1-for-9 shooting against Virginia. His previous season low was 13 points, and Wake coach Jeff Bzdelik said the Cavaliers limited his offensive production by forcing him to expend a lot of energy on the defensive end.

Warren wasn’t able to leak out and turn N.C. State rebounds into fastbreak opportunities.

Dan Collins (journalnow.com)
Deacons brace for showdown with Wolfpack

N.C. State’s dignity and pride will also be riding on the game. In its most recent game, played at home on Saturday, the Wolfpack was leveled 76-45 by Virginia for its most-decisive home loss since the arena now known as the PNC center opened in 1999-2000.

After watching Virginia score more points in the first half (48) than his team did the entire game, Coach Mark Gottfried was frank in his assessment. The Wolfpack finished with more turnovers (16) and fouls (17) than field goals (13).

“We were pitiful in the first half and basically, offensively, the whole game,” Gottfried said.

The Wolfpack shot 23 percent from the floor in the first half and 29 percent for the game, forced only seven turnovers, and was out-rebounded 40-28.

[snip]

Bzdelik said the Deacons have to be mindful of Warren beating them downcourt for layups.

“First of all he leaks out,” Bzdelik said. “He leaks and he streaks. He crashes the offensive boards. In the last several games he’s averaging about four-plus offensive rebounds a game. So he gets a lot of easy baskets.

“He gets easy baskets cause he’s leaking out, so he can leak and streak and run. He gets easy baskets through offensive board play. And he’s a talented scorer, especially in the mid-range area.”

Coron Williams of the Deacons, a graduate-student transfer from Robert Morris, missed Tuesday’s practice while nursing a sore ankle. Bzdelik said he fully expected Williams to be available for the Wolfpack.

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  • #37143
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Well, at least our guys can read! (I think)

    #37144
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    WTNC….wait til next coach.

    I know it’s not going to happen soon and I’m cool with that…but…

    Let’s face it that ever since V it has always been WTNC.

    #37145
    inhoc…
    Participant

    “Very frustrating loss to a mediocre team with a lousy coach”

    Ha, if Wake’s coach is lousy, then……

    #37146
    JaxPackMan
    Participant

    The one time Cat drove the lane in last few minutes it resulted in a basket. Other then that one drive and an occasional fast break the offense is one or two passes around the three point line and then jack it up. No one is position for offensive rebounds or put backs.

    Looking at it on TV you can’t tell if these are coaching issues or if the players aren’t coachable.

    Based on the UVA and Wake games I’m thinking it is going to be another tough season…

    JaxPackMan
    NCSU class of '76
    Jacksonville, FL

    #37147
    WolfWiz11
    Participant

    @spintk I have been feeling that way about Gott this season. I saw signs of poor game management last year. This year, it’s clear as day. I’m expecting Yow to have a serious conversation with him at the end of what will surely be a subpar season.That full court press just made no sense, WF had way too much time on the clock, they didn’t need a long entry pass. We should have been protecting against an easy bucket down low, make someone get open to take a contested three. And this is just our defensive deficiencies. Haven’t even started on offense.

    #37148
    Jediwolf
    Participant

    Hang that on on Gott. Never played Lewis in the 2nd half. Wake zone killed Cat.

    #37149
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    I watched on TV and TL was never visible…not like, never played, but as in…gone.

    Info..?

    #37150
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    WBS was either sick or hurt – per SFN peeps with radio feed.

    #37151
    spintk
    Participant

    I still can’t get over the double team on Thomas, letting Miller-McIntyre run free, and then have no one near the rim with blocking capabilities to at least alter the shot.

    #37152
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    More depressing music. Night all!

    #37153
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Tyler’s been sick with the flu since Monday and did not practice this week.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #37154
    inhoc…
    Participant

    “Looking at it on TV you can’t tell if these are coaching issues or if the players aren’t coachable”

    Wake’s coach knew exactly what to do with 10.5 seconds left with what Gott put on the floor. Got a basket and a foul. That wasn’t razzle dazzle. It was drawn up. Gott had nothing drawn up with 4.5 seconds left to at least try for a good shot.

    You’re saying that’s not coaching?

    #37155
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    It was hard telling with Chase, Stats, Wallace sitting down there, but I didn’t get the head count of that one more little white guy in a warm up. Just thought it was odd since Cat is usually given atleast a tiny break in the second half most nights. Not that it really fn matters-they all suck.

    I think we set a new amateur record in turnovers via 5 foot lobs in the paint. We are offensively rebounding great and a guy has prime position. Just put up a shot and let him go after the miss. No, better yet, go to the Sally 5 foot lob pass again.

    #37156
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Don’t think Tyler would have made much of a difference tonight….
    He can’t solve our problems in the Paint by himself.

    And FWIW…. there were reasons Mr. Barbour didn’t get more offers from the top tier bball schools.
    Athleticism was not one of them.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #37157
    PackFamily
    Participant

    Lewis was sick. He left the game and was not there in the second half.

    #37158
    spintk
    Participant

    Don’t think Tyler would have made much of a difference tonight….<br>
    He can’t solve our problems in the Paint by himself.

    And FWIW…. there were reasons Mr. Barbour didn’t get more offers from the top tier bball schools.<br>
    Athleticism was not one of them.


    @bill
    .onthebeach, BARBER is one of the key reasons we have won the games we have. These passive-aggresive digs at individual players are cheap and old. Comment on a particular play, decision, past games, etc. But don’t try in one broad, obscure swath to chastise a player.

    #37159
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    The last 4 didn’t matter since we had no TO. We couldn’t have drawn up a play. Doesn’t matter since Cat would have had to be taken off the floor for anything other than what was seen to occur.

    We just get screwed by the zone every night. We came out and went 0 for 3 against it (all outside shots) and that set the tone for another polar bear face paw with claw to the eyes for good measure.
    WTNC.

    #37160
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Watching college basketball these days is nearly unbearable at it is. Watching this team isn’t something I can stomach much longer. I have no reason to be excited even when we’re winning. Gottfried will figure out real quick that this isn’t Tuscaloosa. Lot of folks around here actually know what good basketball is.

    #37161
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    anybody with the Gottfried post game comments?

    #37162
    spintk
    Participant

    Gottfried’s post-game comments are pathetic. Looks like this is who we have for however many years. The man needs to grow a pair, take the blame, call out the refs, get mad . . . something . . . ANYTHING! Sitting up there saying, “Turner had some good looks. Some good shots you want him to take.,” doesn’t help. Give it a rest! You are lying to our faces now.

    It is going to take a lot for Gottfried to win me back over. A whole hell of a lot. To start, he can put the kibosh on all the excuses. Everytime he flaps his lips an excuse spills out. Just stop already. If he does that, it’s at least a step in the right direction. I would imagine that Yow will let his contract go to the last year if need be. Not good when there are already murmurs around the basketball program that Gottfried might not have what it takes.

    #37163
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    WufPacker – CBS finally updated….it was 52, but I found WF site and the REAL game Box score. I was betting at least 25%….but was LOW….look at the end..

    I GOT it figured out….the ref’s are suffering from a mild case of CO2 poisoning from the Demon Deacon’s Harley.

    Tyler had the flu. Did not practice much. Played the first half. Then was ill and dehydrated. They kept him in the locker room and were working on him to make sure he is recovering.

    The game was OK in the first half….I am NOT blaming the Ref’s…they probably whistled it fairly, but their impact (both ends) on the flow really sucks….Dorsey & Luckie…..what more can you say….

    Luckie’s AFPG – 36.8
    Dorsey’s AFPG – 39.5
    Hull AFPG – 38.8
    Average FPG – 38.4
    Fouls 2nt 52
    Percentage over AFPG – 35.4%…..YIKES…..Probably a SEASON HIGH for them….
    THIRTY FIVE point FOUR PER CENT above their AVERAGE…..

    Obviously the Zeb’s were really ON THEIR GAME TONIGHT….

    #37164
    packer74
    Participant

    These guys couldn’t throw the ball in the Pacific Ocean, standing on the Santa Monica pier facing west. There are no words to describe how painful it was watching that feeble exhibition of shooting by what is suppose to be a DI basketball team. Gott needs to go to the gym and find a walk-on intramural player that can shoot. This team is non-competitive, fundamentally weak and the game coaching is questionable at best. ACC record: maybe 5-13, 6-12. Done watching this train wreck. Frees up 4 hours a week for watching Big Bang Theory reruns.

    #37165
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    Cat gives a ton of effort. It APPEARS his speed of play is freakishly ahead of his mental grasp of things. Part of that is inexperience, for sure, but some of it could be why other major programs backed off. There might be a “clean slate” up there if you catch the drift.

    #37166
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    I’ve only been critical of his team’s defensive play, questionable substitution patterns, and inconsistent effort and mental lapses, all the while recognizing that he’s better than anything we’ve had in 20+ years. But I’ll go on record saying that I think Gottfried is a shyster, a folksy two-bit hustler who doesn’t really have the drive anymore, and doesn’t really appear capable of critiquing himself as a coach. What happened to all he supposedly learned while away from the game? Win or lose, I don’t like him.

    #37168
    MISTA WOLF
    Participant

    Unfortunately I had the honor of attending the game in person. I’ll share what I seen from the game.

    1) screening is piss poor. When you set screens you initiate contact with a good base and weight in your hips. We did neither. Good screens create open shots and defensive lapses. We must get better at that.

    2) their zone killed us. You thought it was bad tonite wait till we play Syracuse. We might only score 18 points the entire game against them. To beat the zone you have to move the ball quickly. We simply did not do that. You move the ball quickly to get the defense out of position. Instead, what you saw tonite was simply a pass, hold the ball for 3 seconds, pass, hold the ball for 3 seconds, blah blah. We also didn’t try to get the ball to the middle of the zone. Why I don’t know. We could have run X or 32 against the zone to create gaps back side. Coach never tried to change this. Instead we passed the ball around the perimeter and settled for jump shots. Exactly what the zone is meant to do.

    3) if we are running plays the guys sure as heck don’t know them. Anya is on Planet Rock out there. He simply has no clue what’s going on. We must have set plays to run to create motion and then count on our guys to be basketball players and make a shot or drive when given the opportunity. To me it seems we’re just counting on our guys to be athletes and make plays or to throw it to TJ and expect him to go 1 v 3 to the middle. Coach needs to realize that he’s in a gym and not on an asphalt court. This isn’t pickup. ORGANIZATION.

    4) the last play of the game was horrible. Why in the world do you choose to double a post player who 1) can’t dribble, 2) is running the opposite of his teams basket and 3) leave the inbounds man unguarded. Did coach really expect him to dribble up the court? Yes I understand you double first pass with under 5 seconds but when you have 10+ seconds on the clock you have to play man and keep yourself between ball and basket and if you get beat help side defense better be there.

    5) Devon Thomas had 4 fouls on him with 7 minutes to go. Why in the world would you not try to get Vandy the ball to try to get him to pick up his 5th?

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