NC STATE at DUKE PREVIEW

Time: 2:00 pm
TV: CBS
Announcers: Kevin Harlan, Bill Raftery

This isn’t your traditional Duke team, they have a huge offensive punch but lack the shutdown defense that has come to be expected of a Duke team. Plus they lack any height inside, that is where they are vulnerable, if you take advantage of it.

If State can pound the ball inside and somehow avoid foul trouble then I think the Pack can make a game of this. Of course if the “tendencies” are called then the game is already over.

There’s no sugar coating this, the Pack sucks on defense. In fact it’s my biggest problem with Gottfried, none of his players every exhibit basic fundamental defensive principles, just a lot of standing and reaching in while no one ever talks to each other. “The legs feed the wolf” and the defense feeds the offense, it’s that simple and yet we can’t seem to grasp this notion. It’s going to be a long day on defense, at least we won’t have to worry about the Pack’s bad defensive rebounding since Duke won’t miss many shots and even if they do I’m sure a “foul” was committed.

Prediction:

KenPom likes Duke by 14. I think this game will be over in the first 5 minutes but the Pack will find a way to give us just enough hope to keep watching.

Watchability:

Attending a One Direction Concert. Look, this will likely make your eyes bleed. Turn it on and find something else to do while it’s on in the background.

NEWS CLIPS:

Joe Giglio (N&O)
NC State has ‘big’ advantage against Duke

“In previous games, we haven’t been as aggressive as we should be,” Anya said. “We were more aggressive at Wake and I think you’ll see more of that the rest of the year.”

The Wolfpack’s interior success came against Wake’s man defense in the first half, and that’s how the UCLA system is supposed to work, with the offense flowing through the bigs, who have to be aggressive.

Getting his young post players to be assertive has been a challenge for Gottfried, whose first two N.C. State teams were driven by the post production of C.J. Leslie and Richard Howell.

“Our young guys, they’re good,” Gottfried said. “For our team to develop into the best we can become, our big guys need to develop.”

Before the season, Gottfried knew his quarter of inexperienced post options — even Vandenberg, a fifth-year senior, played sparingly before this season — wouldn’t match the production of Leslie and Howell, the two leading scorers from the 2012-13 team. Leslie (15.1 points per game) and Howell (12.7) accounted for 35.9 percent of the Pack’s scoring last season (27.8 of its 77.4 points per game).

Through 17 games, the quartet of Vandenberg-Anya-Washington-Freeman have combined for 16.8 points per game or 23.2 percent of the team’s 72.5 points per game. That’s not enough, not in a system predicated on the production of its forwards.

“Our bigs need to touch the ball more,” Gottfried said. “It’s something that we’ve tried to make a point of emphasis, I thought the first half (at Wake Forest) we did a great job of that.”

Luke DeCock (N&O)
Wolfpack looks for first win against Krzyzewski at Duke since ’88

It has been years – decades – since N.C. State last beat a Duke team coached my Mike Krzyzewski in Cameron Indoor Stadium.

There isn’t a player on either team who was even close to being born. Some weren’t born in 1995, when Krzyzewski stepped aside for Pete Gaudet and N.C. State was one of six ACC teams to beat Duke in Cameron.

1988.

“Wow,” Duke guard Quinn Cook said. “We would definitely like to continue that streak.”

The Wolfpack appears to have two of the ingredients needed to upset Duke this season: A perimeter penetration threat and inside scoring. That formula worked for Notre Dame and it worked for Clemson, although both games were on the road. (Duke’s two other losses, to Kansas and Arizona, were on more even terms.)

For the Irish, that was Michigan State transfer Garrick Sherman (14 points) on the inside and Eric Atkins (19 points, 11 assists) on the outside. For the Tigers, it was K.J. McDaniels (24 points) on the inside and Rod Hall (11 points, four assists) on the outside.

N.C. State’s two best players just happen to be 6-foot-8 forward T.J. Warren, who leads the ACC at 22.2 points per game, and speedy freshman point guard Cat Barber, who excels at blowing past defenders and getting to the rim.

Stephen Schramm (fayobserver.com)
ACC Basketball: Three to know for N.C. State at No. 23 Duke

1. In need of a lift

Duke comes into today’s game looking to nurse some fragile momentum while the Wolfpack just hopes to start some.

On Friday, Duke guard Rasheed Sulaimon called Monday night’s dramatic 69-64 victory against Virginia as a “must-win.”

He has a point. If the Cavaliers had been able to hold on to their slim lead in the final minute, it would have dropped Duke to 1-3 in the ACC and turn the slight unrest created by road losses to Notre Dame and Clemson into a full-on panic.

But down by a point, Sulaimon hit a clutch 3 and Amile Jefferson hit a pair of free throws to give Duke the win.

“After the game, everybody felt good personally and collectively as a team about the team that we beat and the fashion that we beat them in,” Sulaimon said. “It was definitely a confidence boost for us and we know if we play like that, we can continue to string up wins.”

Meanwhile, N.C. State is in dire need of something to feel good about. Starting with a Dec. 28 loss at home to Missouri, N.C. State has just two wins in its last four games, and one of those victories was a shaky one at UNC-Greensboro.

The Wolfpack showed some signs of progress on Wednesday night at Wake Forest, overcoming an early deficit and leading for most of the second half. But a late layup by Codi-Miller McIntyre ended up dealing the Wolfpack a 70-69 loss.

3. Lewis questionable

N.C. State could be thin at point guard as the status of sophomore Tyler Lewis is in doubt.

Lewis played six minutes early but missed the second half against Wake Forest due to illness. He was so uncomfortable that he briefly left the bench.

Stephen Schramm (fayobserver.com)
N.C. State’s big men must step up against Duke

After Thursday’s practice had wrapped up, N.C. State forward Lennard Freeman was surrounded by a cluster of reporters, barely containing his excitement for today’s trip to face No. 23 Duke, saying it’s been something he’s looked forward to.

Meanwhile, fellow freshman BeeJay Anya lurked largely unnoticed just behind the cameras, trying to distract Freeman with a mischievous smile.

In that moment, it was easy to remember that the two are 18 years old and just 17 games into their college careers. But today, if the Wolfpack is to break nearly two decades of frustration at Duke and end its run of recent struggles, Anya, Freeman and the rest of the Wolfpack’s big men will need to play beyond their years.

With four losses in its last six games, N.C. State (11-6 overall, 1-3 ACC) has entered a period of reassessment. It knows that when it opens things up for sophomore forward T.J. Warren, the ACC’s leading scorer, things go well. When it runs into a zone defense, which slows down its high-post offense, limits Warren and exploits the Wolfpack’s suspect outside shooting, things usually don’t.

But Wolfpack coach Mark Gottfried sees a solution.

In Wednesday night’s 70-69 loss to Wake Forest, the Wolfpack’s big men proved to be a reliable source of scoring. Anya, Freeman, fellow freshman Kyle Washington and senior Jordan Vandenberg combined to go 9 of 13 for 22 points. They also had 21 rebounds, helping the Wolfpack to a decisive advantage in points in the paint (36-24) and second-chance points (23-4).

While much of it is young, with five players that are 6-foot-8 or taller, the Wolfpack does have size. And against the Demon Deacons, N.C. State showed how effective it can be when it uses it.

“For our team to develop into the best that we can become, our big guys have got to develop,” Gottfried said. “We’ve got to get them the ball along the way.”

GoPack.com
919 Showdown: NC State at Duke On Saturday

Two of college basketball’s storied programs will take the court Saturday afternoon when NC State travels to No. 23 Duke at 2 p.m. The 238th meeting between the Wolfpack and the Blue Devils will be on CBS.

The two teams split last season, with the home team winning each contest. Wolfpack fans rushed the court after NCSU’s 84-76 win last January at PNC Arena. The victory in Raleigh came when Duke was ranked No. 1 and hadn’t yet lost.

NC State (11-6, 1-3) will go into Cameron Indoor Stadium with the ACC’s leading scorer T.J. Warren, who averages 22.2 points per game. Warren scored 22 in NC State’s last game, a 70-69 loss at Wake Forest that the Wolfpack led for most of the night. NCSU has won three of its last four road contests.

Duke (13-4, 2-2) is coming off a close win over Virginia, a team NC State played last Saturday. The Blue Devils are led by freshman Jabari Parker, who averages 18.8 points and 7.3 rebounds per game.

After playing Duke, NC State has a quick turnaround before it hosts Maryland Monday, Jan. 20 at 9 p.m.

1. SCHEDULING QUIRK
In a scheduling quirk, NC State will be playing its fourth game at Duke in the last five meetings between the two schools. The Wolfpack played at Cameron Indoor in 2011 and in the schools’ only meeting in 2012. The two Triangle schools played a home-and-home last season and now the Wolfpack is back at Duke for Saturday’s contest. Since 2008, six of the 10 meetings between the two schools have been in Durham.

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Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #37545
    ILPackfan
    Participant

    The moral victory, at this point, will be to keep the lead under 30. Good grief.

    #37546
    Rick
    Keymaster

    BriAr patch all but have wb as a wedgie

    #37547
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    Hey, courtesy of Bill Raftery…our next billboard campaign….

    STATING OUR CASE!!!

    #37548
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    As far as I’m concerned this season is over. Got the Superbowl to look forward to and then the start of baseball season!

    #37549
    Rick
    Keymaster

    As far as I’m concerned this season is over. Got the Superbowl to look forward to and then the start of baseball season!

    About three only thing left is the mocking

    #37550
    bsly
    Participant

    our bigs are just not that good. vandenburg looks lost half the time. he is so lacking of fundamentals.

    #37551
    spintk
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>spintk wrote:</div>
    I have to do my part to even on the ref hate. ;)

    In all seriousness, the game is much closer than I figured it would be.

    And btw, the only thing I said that was remotely offensive was, “Jesus Christ.” For obvious reasons, I’ll refrain from that. It doesn’t mean my comments about the coach are any more over the top than the incessant ref whining.

    Focus on the game. There is no reason to criticize there other postErs. If you want to criticize the coach have st it but don’t get pissy when people fire back

    I have not criticized anyone here.

    #37552
    1.21 Jigawatts
    Keymaster

    Looks like VT and GT are worse than us.

    #37553
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    Left ankle for Warren.
    Why not?

    #37554
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    God, Duke cries about every single foul called on them.

    #37555
    Texpack
    Participant

    I wouldn’t give up on the season yet. The only ACC loss that hurts at this point is Wake. Lewis is playing better which will limit the damage by Barber.

    #37556
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    Over the back = travel.

    #37557
    vtpackfan
    Participant

    JV shouldn’t play against a team like Duke-long rebounds that he will never touch.

    No matter how Lewis plays this half it’s refreshing that Cat ride some pine. One should always know that “you suck=you don’t play” exist. I don’t think he knows anything about that idea.

    #37558
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Enough punk sh*t … get ’em Anya

    #37559
    packalum44
    Participant

    Wow. We are making Duke look like an All Star team. We are playing and coaching right into their competitive advantages.

    The cognitive bias phenomenon of “anchoring” has caused me to compare Gott to Lowe, which makes him look like a helluva coach. Now that I’m watching a very well coached team in Duke play a Gott team, I am enjoying the benefit of relativity. The contrast is stark and frightening.

    1- why are our guards not coached to dribble into contact? If you haven’t painfully noticed…we have the quickest PG in the ACC yet he doesn’t draw many fouls when defended tightly away from the basket nor on drives. Even Vandy hasn’t learned in 5 years to maintain position when being hounded defensively on the high post. Sure they called a foul but the possession before he was falling away from the defender instead of standing your ground and drawing a foul…coaching.

    2- we aren’t a good up-tempo team this year. Duke lacks a true post presence. Why are we having a track meet with them and playing into their strength? In fact one of our many weaknesses is ball control and turnovers. We should minimize possessions to have any chance.

    Duke thrives off tempo, aggressive defense and just general chaos.

    Gameplan: disrupt their essence by making the game half-court. Dribble and drive into their players ever possession. (our players don’t have that skill b/c they haven’t ever been coached to do so) Be physical inside and foul them hard when necessary.

    Basketball coaching isn’t hard. Could you imagine if NCAA coach’s average IQ was 130 instead of idk…115.

    #37560
    JaxPackMan
    Participant

    Regarding the turnovers, Duke plays an agressive pressure defense, which puts the other team on the “defensive” so to speak. In my view, they have always gotten away with too much body contact, elbowing, and hand checking, that should be called as a foul instead is considered “good” defense. Then when the other team tries the same tactic on Duke, Rat Face screams bloody murder and the refs respond accordingly with the charge calls, etc.

    JaxPackMan
    NCSU class of '76
    Jacksonville, FL

    #37561
    bsly
    Participant

    When duke is allowed to play like that, there’s not much you can do.

    #37562
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Up twenty six and trying top hurt players. I say make them pay.

    #37563
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Not sure why Lewis had to come out while ago

    #37564
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    <IGNORE>

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #37565
    Rick
    Keymaster

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>spintk wrote:</div>
    I have to do my part to even on the ref hate. ;)

    In all seriousness, the game is much closer than I figured it would be.

    And btw, the only thing I said that was remotely offensive was, “Jesus Christ.” For obvious reasons, I’ll refrain from that. It doesn’t mean my comments about the coach are any more over the top than the incessant ref whining.

    Focus on the game. There is no reason to criticize there other postErs. If you want to criticize the coach have st it but don’t get pissy when people fire back

    I have not criticized anyone here.

    You absolutely did. You are not going to last long here at the rate you are going. This topic is over. Focus on the game.

    #37566
    spintk
    Participant

    Wow. We are making Duke look like an All Star team. We are playing and coaching right into their competitive advantages.

    The cognitive bias phenomenon of “anchoring” has caused me to compare Gott to Lowe, which makes him look like a helluva coach. Now that I’m watching a very well coached team in Duke play a Gott team, I am enjoying the benefit of relativity. The contrast is stark and frightening.

    1- why are our guards not coached to dribble into contact? If you haven’t painfully noticed…we have the quickest PG in the ACC yet he doesn’t draw many fouls when defended tightly away from the basket nor on drives. Even Vandy hasn’t learned in 5 years to maintain position when being hounded defensively on the high post. Sure they called a foul but the possession before he was falling away from the defender instead of standing your ground and drawing a foul…coaching.

    2- we aren’t a good up-tempo team this year. Duke lacks a true post presence. Why are we having a track meet with them and playing into their strength? In fact one of our many weaknesses is ball control and turnovers. We should minimize possessions to have any chance.

    Duke thrives off tempo, aggressive defense and just general chaos.

    Gameplan: disrupt their essence by making the game half-court. Dribble and drive into their players ever possession. (our players don’t have that skill b/c they haven’t ever been coached to do so) Be physical inside and foul them hard when necessary.

    Basketball coaching isn’t hard. Could you imagine if NCAA coach’s average IQ was 130 instead of idk…115.

    Very well said. Touché.

    #37567
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    OK, I hate complaining about refs, but there’s SO MUCH CONTACT on our possessions, and it’s so rarely a foul.

    #37568
    Rick
    Keymaster

    OK, I hate complaining about refs, but there’s SO MUCH CONTACT on our possessions, and it’s so rarely a foul.

    x

    Agreed. But who didn’t know that add soon as games got top Cameron. The acc is a joke

    #37569
    Rick
    Keymaster

    If the wake game gets called like this the game would have been different imo

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