NC State Wolfpack vs UNC-Greensboro Spartans

Joe Giglio (N&O)
Back to work, back on the road for NC State

N.C. State scheduled Monday’s game at UNC-Greensboro to give its players a chance to play in the Greensboro Coliseum before the ACC tournament.

After Saturday’s 68-64 home loss to No. 25 Missouri, the Wolfpack needs the game just to get the bitter taste out of its mouth.

N.C. State led Missouri for the first 36 minutes of Saturday’s game and by as many as 10 points in the second half. The Wolfpack (9-3) looked like it was on its way to an eighth straight win headed to Greensboro to face Wes Miller’s Spartans (7-7), who knocked off Virginia Tech earlier on Saturday.

But it was Missouri, not N.C. State, which kept its composure and made the clutch plays down the stretch in a lively PNC Arena on Saturday night.

“We really didn’t fall apart,” senior center Jordan Vandenberg said. “They just started hitting big shots.”

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The coach pointed to the Pack’s problems at the free-throw line, also a problem in the team’s loss to N.C. Central in November.

The Pack went 8-for-14 from the line, which is both a poor percentage (57.1) and not enough attempts. Freshman point guard Cat Barber was an uncharacteristic 2-for-6 from the line (he entered the game shooting 71.1 percent for the season), including a key miss of a front end of a one-and-one with 26.8 seconds left and State down one point.

“We didn’t make foul shots,” Gottfried said. “We missed some key ones.”

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Wolfpack Closes Successful 2013 Year At UNCG

UNCG (7-7) enters Monday night’s contest after claiming its biggest win of the year, a 55-52 win at Virginia Tech on Saturday. The Spartans also did it without their No. 2 scorer, Tevon Saddler. Saddler sat out the game with a foot injury and his status for Monday is unknown. Kyle Cain, a 6-7 junior who transferred from Arizona State, is UNCG’s leading scorer (16.1) and rebounder (8.6).

1. WRAPPING UP 2013
A victory in Greensboro Monday night would give NC State a 23-12 record for the 2013 calendar year. That would set the Wolfpack with a 47-23 mark during the combined 2012 and 2013 calendar years. Additionally, this is the second year in a row NC State has closed its calendar year against UNCG. Last year, the Wolfpack defeated the Spartans 89-68 at PNC Arena on New Year’s Eve.

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Game Notes

Spartans Versus The ACC . . .
UNCG will be playing its fourth team from the Atlantic Coast Conference this season and it third straight … The Spartans already played at North Carolina Dec. 7 (L, 81-50) and at Wake Forest (L, 59-51) prior to Saturday’s 55-52 victory at Virginia Tech .. The win over the Hokies was just the second all-time against an ACC program in UNCG men’s basketball history, improving the Spartans to 2-50 alltime in such games … The victory over Virginia Tech snapped a 23-game losing streak for the Spartans against the ACC dating back to their first ever win Nov. 9, 2007 at Georgia Tech.

Looking Back At Virginia Tech . . .
The Spartans picked up their second win over the Atlantic Coast Conference in program history Saturday with a 55-52 win over Virginia Tech in Blacksburg … UNCG rallied from an 11-point second half deficit as it out-scored the Hokies 23-9 over the final 10:06 of the game … The Spartans secured the victory by shooting 87.5 percent (14-of-16) from the free throw line while the Hokies only hit 56.5 percent (13-of-23) from the charity stripe … UNCG also committed just 13 turnovers in the victory and held its own against one of the top rebounding teams in the ACC as the rebounding battle was tied at 34-34.

Junior forward Kyle Cain and sophomore forward Kayel Locke combined for 33 points, including 23 in the second half, to lead the Spartans to the victory … Cain notched his fifth double-double of the season with 18 points and 10 rebounds as he was 8-of-14 from the field … Locke added 15 points, including 13 in the second half, as he was 4-of-9 from the field and 7-of-8 from the free throw line. Junior Nicholas Paulos added six points and did a strong job on the defensive end, limiting Virginia Tech top-scorer Jarell Eddie to just four points on 1-of-12 shooting … Freshman Tyrone Outlaw made his third start of the season and scored six points … Outlaw got the start after freshman Tevon Saddler was unable to go due to an injury.

Scouting The Spartans . . .
The Spartans enter Monday’s game with a 7-7 overall record and are coming off a 55-52 victory at Virginia Tech … Monday’s game is the final non-conference game of the year, giving the Spartans a chance at a winning record in nonconference play … The last time UNCG posted a winning non-conference record was in the 2007-08 season when it finished 7-4 out of conference play.

UNCG is averaging 72.1 points per game while allowing 73.7 points per game against … The Spartans have turned up their defensive play over the past three games, holding opponents to a 58.7 points per game while posting a 2-1
record against James Madison, Wake Forest and Virginia Tech.

Junior forward Kyle Cain leads the Spartans and ranks seventh in the Southern Conference in scoring at 16.1 points per game … Cain also leads the team and ranks second on the glass grabbing 8.6 rebounds per game … He is shooting 52.8 percent (94-of-178) from the field and 76.1 percent (35-of-46) from the free throw line… Freshman guard Tevon Saddler is second on the team in scoring at 11.8 points per game and leads the team with 45 assists.

Sophomore forward Kayel Locke is third on the team in scoring at 11.6 points per game and second on the glass, grabbing 4.8 rebounds per game … Locke is shooting 72.1 percent (44-of-61) from the free throw line … Junior Nicholas Paulos rounds out the Spartans averaging double figures at 10.2 points per game while grabbing 3.4 rebounds per game … Paulos has hit a team-high 37 three-pointers and is shooting 36.3 percent from long range.

1.21 Analysis

The Spartans aren’t good at much, in fact they are pretty bad, which is why they have a #299 rating from KenPom. They are good at defensive rebounding (surprising considering their lack of size) and not getting their shots blocked. They are above average at shooting the 3 and defending it. Plus they are an uptempo team with 70 possessions per game.

Probable Starters
#1 Drew Parker (6-1, 178, SR) Guard: ORating= 88.7, 5.7% shots, eFG= 33.3%, AstRate= 20.6, TORate= 34.1

#13 Kayle Locke (6-5, 240, SO) Forward : ORating = 102.4, 23.2% shots, eFG= 47.2%, OReb= 10.5%

#14 Kyle Cain (6-7, 210, JR) Forward : ORating= 110.3, 29.8% shots, eFG= 53.7%, OReb= 10.1%, DReb= 21.9%

#31 Nicholas Paulos (6-7, 185, JR) Forward : ORating= 111.6, 20.7% shots, eFG= 55.9%, 3Pt= 37-102 (.363)

#44 Tyrone Outlaw (6-6, 205, FR) G/F: ORating= 112.6, 21.3% shots, eFG= 46.0%, steal= 2.7%

Paulos will only shoot the 3, there’s no need to focus on him otherwise but please guard him beyond the line, he’s their only consistent 3pt shooter and he’s not easy to lose sight of since he’s 6-7. Parker isn’t a scorer, he’s going to pass but he’s also going to turn it over. Focus on Cain, along with Paulus and Saddler, and you’ll shut them down. Saddler is normally in the starting lineup but due to a foot injury he had to sit out of the VT game, whether we see him or not who knows.

Bench
#0 Kevin Saddler (6-4, 207, FR) Guard : ORating= 83.6, 22.7% shots, eFG= 40.4%, AstRate= 24.4%, FTRate= 80%
#34 RJ White (6-8, 280, FR) Forward
#20 Jordan Potts (5-11, 170, SO) Guard
#3 Diante Baldwin (6-0, 189, FR) Guard
#32 Jordy Kuiper (6-9, 238, FR) Forward

The Pack shouldn’t have a problem with the Spartans but they also can’t take them lightly because they can rise up and beat them if the Pack expects to roll the ball out and win. This needs to be a tune up game for the Pack before heading into conference play against Pitt. The Pack needs to get the last kinks out and start getting into a flow again on offense.

NOTE:
– Kyle Cain started 40 games at ASU while playing for the Fighten Sendeks.
– UNCG is coached by UNC alum Wes Miller.
– UNCG all time record vs the ACC is now 2-50 after upsetting VT the other night. The other win was against GT in 2007/08.

KenPom likes the Pack by 11, I think it’ll be 20.

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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  • #33843
    Adventuroo
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    SFN & Techies,

    Using a Droid Razr Maxx. The site resolves in half screen format (to the left side). You have to enlarge it. Happens on every refresh. The response box is extremely touchy and you lose text. It also reverts to a wider screen and you can not see all the text. The older format was easy to use. This one is not.

    However, on a PC, it is much better. Mobile needs to be reviewed.

    ON THE GAME…I was there. Upper level of GC was not used. Three sections of one end zone were blocked. Crowd was decidedly RED. Looked like a PNC game. Unfortunately, not a LOT of energy from RED…Admittedly the pep band and the Announcer (OMG….what a MORON. He is a throwback to the PROJECTION ENUNCIATION of the 60’s…I had a few lessons….IRRITATING) kept TALKING. The music was blaring….it was TOUGH to get any “opponent” cheers going.
    The Team, save Vandy looked OK at the outset. Vandy was AWOL. Gott pulled him and spent more time with him, 1 on 1, than I have seen this year. We never had any interior play. We seemed to be waiting for a gift basket of rebounds, rather than getting in position and getting them.
    When TJ is the leading rebounder…we have a problem. We finally climbed out of the hole we dug towards end of H2.
    THEN, we came out like a team that had had it’s rear chewed out and all the perks such as the NCSU Equivalent of Sweet Carolines REMOVED. That worked for a while and you can not keep that mental edge or intensity….so it faded.
    BUT, we did have a sizeable lead. We played tentatively and UNCG (even HB Wes) stepped up. We missed critical FT’s and TJ threw away the ball…but God bless him, he is our scorer.
    Cat scored more points, but still seems intent on improving his APPG than dishing off. TJ looked like Whitt had been coaching him or maybe Gott and he decided to try out his new 3-pt shot. 3 PT Shooting is NOT TJ’s strong point.
    The RED Crowd really got into it within the last 5 minutes. I personally think they should have been chosen POG…
    UGLY WIN….but a W.
    Hats off to the Lady Wolves….what a season. Pity the poll filler-outers don’t recognize that.

    #33846
    Whiteshoes67
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    My non-conference assessment. We struggle to shoot the ball outside the paint, and we’re not great defensively, which means we’re in for a rough season unless one, or both, improve significantly, or we began to play a different style that masks our deficiencies.

    Warren has a knack for scoring, moves well without the ball, gets to the boards, and scores well in transition, but he’s not going to beat most 3’s in the ACC off the dribble. When the shot clock winds down, he still needs someone to get him a good look.

    Barber is a game changer for us but he’s been erratic. He gets into the paint so easily, but he’s not a great finisher yet and he doesn’t find the open man often enough. Lewis benefited last year from playing with a highly efficient offense that rarely saw zones. His inability to beat his man, penetrate a zone, make the 3 consistently, or play defense just makes it hard to get him on the court.

    I still think our best lineup is 1 big, doesn’t really matter who (Vandy, Anya, Freeman, Washington) and Warren, Turner, Lee, and Barber. Turner has to play more. I know he takes ill advised shots but he’s still the best option from 3. We’re going to struggle to rebound regardless of who’s in the lineup, so you might as well score the ball.

    #33848
    redisgood
    Participant

    Great assessment Whiteshoes. You captured the essence of this team perfectly. 13 games into the season, and the team still hasn’t figured out the zone. Unfortunately you need to be able to score from outside to discourage zone defenses, and other than Turner (and Cat from time to time), we have nobody. I thought Dez might help in that area, but it doesn’t look like that will happen.

    #33853
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    RedIsGood,

    Last night the radio guys (and maybe Gott) talked about how Lee has been improving. He was interviewed last night and was in double figures. At the game, he looked like one of the guys who had their head(s) on straight.

    Look at his stats….I did not do a thorough analysis, but he seems to be coming around and will be a contributor….and probably keep his starting job.

    TJ “TRIED” to be Whitt last night….needs more work or else all Whitt showed him was the great PASS of 1983. Turner never got in the groove last night.

    Pitt Panthers will be a real test…

    Today, the team went to the infirmary to get their rear ends treated from the excessive verbal abuse (and possible physical injury) that Gott used at half and also later on…

    BUT….a W is still a W….and as Jimmy V said….no one looks at the difference in the scores a year from now nor how pretty or ugly it was….

    #33862
    Thinkpack17
    Participant

    I read some of these comments and I wonder what some of your expectations were at the beginning of the year. If you aren’t pleasantly surprised by this team I think you may need to re-calibrate.

    As far as not fairing well against the zone I don’t see how you say that. I have seen us slash though, shoot over, lob over, dribble through and offensive rebound against the zone. In fact I think we were a little surprised by not seeing the zone that much last night.

    Tennessee stomped a Virginia team that I believe was a top 25 squad not too long ago. After the first 3 teams this conference is wide open. Everybody relax.

    #33866
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    ^I reserved all expectations until I’d watched a few games. If healthy, and if we can consistently improve, the pieces are in place to hover around .500 mark, perhaps exceed that mark in the ACC and punch a tournament ticket.

    After a few years watching Gottfried’s teams, I’m still puzzled. This team has a chance to be his best defensive team. It needs to be in order for this team to excel. Unlike past teams, we’re simply not efficient enough on the offensive end to be able to offset poor defense. According to Kenpom, we rank 107 in adjusted defense and 64 in adjusted offense. And the level of competition doesn’t give much room for optimism.

    #33870
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    We won’t be finishing .500 in conference – at least not as it stands today. We have a LONG way to go to become a contender.

    #33871
    Wolfpack93
    Participant

    WTF was up with Warren at the end?

    Was there an answer to this? I can make an educated guess, but given the cameras caught both the free throw confrontation and the hand-shaking scuffle, I would have expected it to come up in the post-game comments.

    #33872
    Thinkpack17
    Participant

    @Wulfpack did you think Syracuse entering our conference, Duke getting the next Carmelo and us losing our entire starting line up was the short cut to becoming a title contender?

    #33873
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Guys…we are a young team that is usually greater than the sum of its parts. Our only star caliber guy doesn’t really create his own shot, certainly in the half-court. Our fatal flaw is horrid FT shooting.

    That’s a definitive recipe for inconsistency. We will look alternatively great, then awful. Sometimes in the same game. I am still quite confident we will be a mid-range ACC team, with doing better than that more likely than cratering.

    Just relax and enjoy the ride.

    Oh, and I think the fatigue is more mental than physical.

    #33875
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    I surely did not, no. I knew we would struggle, and we have. Conference play will be very difficult.

    #33876
    Thinkpack17
    Participant

    @BJD95 I agree. After seeing ECU push Duke to the limit in Cameron I was terrified that we were going to be swept by ECU in B-Ball and Football. I enjoyed that game so much I went home and watched the replay. My face hurt I was smiling so much.

    There is parity in college basketball. Don’t take wins for granted.

    #33879
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    The Cat is a freshman and he will get better…

    One observation…

    He likes the ball at the top of key and his first impulse is to use his quickness to beat his man on the dance/dribble/drive.

    OK… he doesn’t seem to have a whole lot of problems getting by people but…

    He’s predictable… 90% to left; maybe 10% to the right… and he drops his head every time he goes by someone.

    Which creates the “problem”… when he drops his head he can’t see his team mates who are open for a pass. By the time (two steps later) he get’s his head back up… the defense has collapsed on him and he’s up in the air with two or three defenders on him with no where to go and nothing to do but shoot what’s now a low percentage shot and “hope” for a whistle or try to make a pass somewhere….

    If he makes the shot or gets the foul called… he’s golden but fundamentally these percentages are very much against him…

    Solution: Practice, Practice, Practice… and more Practice….

    1. Keep his head at top speed
    2. See where his teammates are supposed to be… there should be one
    on the blocks for the layout
    sitting on the wing for the open jumper,
    and one behind for the outlet…
    and see where they actually are.
    3. Think defensive help is always on the way…
    And read the defense… see who’s collapsing and who’s not…
    4. If the D collapses, Look for the pass first as the reads on #2 and #3 above indicate… and the shot second
    If not, shoot the 8 foot jumper or take the ball to the basket…
    5. Once he GOTT “all of this” working to the left…Develop the same move to the right with an equal effectiveness…

    Until he stops dropping his head… none of the rest of them will matter much…

    For a demo… just watch how Tyler does it… most of the time…

    The “big bonus” is that at the same time he’s doing all this… he making his team mates play better. Most of Vandy’s problems last night were that he just didn’t touch the ball enough… same for a few other of our guys.

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    #35005
    redcanine
    Participant

    bill- I see where you’re coming from (re: Cat) and I don’t necessarily disagree, but…

    I like how low Cat gets when attacking a defender one-on-one. It contributes to his explosive first, second, and third steps, but he stays too low for too long. The issue, imo, is that he doesn’t look up until he’s in the lane handcuffed underneath someone’s armpit.

    #35006
    Big Dog
    Participant

    Call me overly optimistic, but I think this team will show much improvement as the season moves along. Most everyone in the conference is sporting 9-10+ wins as we conclude the “lite” part of the OC schedule and begin the ACC grind.

    Although there is much work to be done fundamentally in areas such as FT’s, defensive intensity, rebounding and closing out games, there are some solids with this team. We seem to be taking better care of the ball with reduced turnover numbers. Youthful enthusiasm and talent is apparent with this team and it goes to the bench as well.

    Huge unknowns that can derail the entire effort include key injuries, two or three scorers showing up in double figures on a consistent basis and maturation of these young guys. Some of these things can be learned/coached and some you either have or you don’t as a player (speed, athleticism, physical size).

    Perhaps the most important element in the whole equation is Gott and his staff’s development throughout the season. Barring any catastrophic injury to key individuals, there is a lot to work with with this team. Teaching and learning can happen at an amazing rate if the student is willing. So far, these guys seem to be listening and applying it on the court.

    There will be some freshman moments and perhaps some implosions along the way, but I see a work in progress with a lot more upside than we have seen in a number of years. Each game will provide a different and critical challenge, beginning with Pitt on Saturday.

    #35012
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^red… you got it…
    the edit function here is restricted….
    #1 above should have read… (Cat should…)

    ” Keep his head UP at top speed all the time ”

    It’s a common thing with guys who “dance” when they make that quick first step….
    When their head bobbles their eyes close… and court vision is impaired until as you said they are two or steps down the floor.
    Same thing happens to wide receivers on the football field… If their head bobbles when they run fast… they end up playing defensive back.

    And if you missed it…. the “view” from the baseline is posted here…

    Rush The Court: TJ Warren Needs Help

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    #35031
    redcanine
    Participant

    Let me clarify one thing: I (we)

      REALLY

    like Cat! I wish I could buy stock in this kid…

    #35039
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^ YES WE DO !!!
    Hell.. I wish I could coach that kid….
    but I’m sure GOTT and Company are on the job fulltime….

    FWIW…. I “like” all the kids on this years team !

    They just GOTT a whole lot of hard work to do to live up to their expectations, not mine.

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