Hoops: The Young Pack Faces Its First Road Test Early Against Cincinnati

Basketball season has just begun, and the Wolfpack has played but one game so far in its 2013-14 campaign, but tomorrow they are leaving the friendly confines of the PNC Center and their home floor for a game against the Cincinnati in the Bearcats’ arena.

Not only is it a road game, it’s also a game that will be nationally televised,  it’s a game that will be well attended and it promises to be an affair that will be the sort of pressure cooker that is rare for November 13th in any college basketball year.  To be only the road so early is quite different than many other major programs, some of whom might not venture beyond a neutral court until conference play starts in the new year — and for NC State, despite the difficulties and challenges a road game so early poses, it’s a very good idea and perhaps exactly what the team needs as it gels for the season.

Catch him if you can: Wolfpack freshman Cat Barber

Catch him if you can: Wolfpack freshman Cat Barber

The opener against Appalachian State was encouraging, given that the bulk of NC State’s core from last season has left the program: starters C.J. Leslie, Lorenzo Brown, Scott Wood and Richard Howell are gone, leaving head coach Mark Gottfried to replace five of its top six scorers from a 24-11, NCAA tournament team.  While those departures may leave the Wolfpack looking weak and vulnerable on paper, anyone who watched the opener last Friday had to leave a bit encouraged: after shaking off first-game jitters, the new players meshed with returning team members Tyler Lewis and TJ Warren quite well when they were on offense, and on defense, despite a decided lack of height on the floor that they weren’t going to wave a red cape and cry out “ole!” to the opposition.

That’s not to say that State is by any means a top 25 program right now, but it also fair to say that Mark Gottfried’s cupboard is not exactly bare either.  We saw that Cat Barber is indeed as fast as lightning and that if he gets a lane to the basket, he can score as quickly as anyone we’ve seen in Raleigh in quite some time.  We saw that transfer Dez Lee is also dangerous with the rock and that he is a persistent scoring threat, the kind that will draw defensive attention and generally give other teams headaches.  We saw glimpses of Raulston Turner’s outside shooting, despite scoring only seven points. We saw that free throws were not necessarily going to be a misadventure the way they often were last season.  And again, we saw glimpses of cohesive defense.

But that was against Appalachian State, and that’s not the sort of team you measure yourself against effectively if you are an ACC team.  Tomorrow’s game will give us a much better picture.

Cincinnati is a team that prides itself on defense, and that is what they use to win.  Obviously, that will be a challenge, especially for inexperienced and not-fully-grown freshman players who are going to find out that the next level is not as easy as their AAU and shoe camp circuit days.  And while Cincinnati is not anyone’s idea of a 100+ point averaging squad, Sean Kilpatrick Justin Jackson and Titus Rubles can give defensive nightmares to the Wolfpack, especially given its height and experience deficiencies.

Add to that challenge will be the fact that it is a road game coming at a time when the young Wolfpack players are just starting to form their in-game personality.  Cincinnati has a pretty raucous student section, and they are looking at this game as a national showcase for themselves.  The 5pm game is the appetizer for the highly anticipated #Kentucky versus #2 Michigan State and the Kansas – Duke affairs, and it is fairly rare air for the American Athletic Conference team that’s not often in such a favored timeslot by ESPN.  In short, this will be a hostile atmosphere, and it almost certainly won’t resemble a first round holiday tournament game where the loudest sounds are squeaking sneakers and players yelling to one another.

All in all, that makes this a tough contest for the Wolfpack, make no mistake about it.  Win or lose, however, it will serve as one of the best object lessons that Mark Gottfried could possibly give his young squad.  Young teams need to be seasoned in cauldrons like this to know first-hand what to expect at Cameron Indoor Stadium, or Smith Center, or at the Carrier Dome — all places they will visit later on.  Young players used to having their way against prep ballers need to learn what it is like to face older, stronger and more experienced players intent on stopping them from getting to the hole.  On the other end of the floor, they need to know what it takes to keep those same older, stronger and more experienced players from scoring.

Bottom line: this is a tough ask for the NC State team. It’s too early to expect them to win, but it’s never to early to hope that they do and to support them no matter the shape of the scoreboard.  Win or lose, this is exactly what the doctor ordered and win or lose, it is the sort of game that will pay dividends this year and beyond.

Gametime: 5pm

Coverage: ESPN

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322 Responses to Hoops: The Young Pack Faces Its First Road Test Early Against Cincinnati

  1. Rick 11/12/2013 at 7:29 PM #

    If anyone is interested I plan to stay on this thread to watch the rest of the games. Should be some good ball

  2. Rick 11/12/2013 at 7:31 PM #

    Hurricanes score the first goal

  3. bill.onthebeach 11/12/2013 at 7:33 PM #

    ^rebounds… State 36 — Cindy — 43
    not a big difference when your shooting percentage is State 33% — Cindy 40%.

    ^fouls — 23 for each team…

    ————

    Coach says on the radio….
    “It was a good learning experience for our young team.”

    F -that…. that “learning experience BS” works when your team is a bunch of Juniors and Seniors…

    But when your team is a bunch of Freshman and Sophs… some nights the Coach needs to pull some magic out of his bag of tricks and win the damn game … let the kids know that you got their back…. that gives them the confidence they need to play to win instead of playing not to lose.

    Some nights you just GOTTa outcoach the other SOB.

    Just saying….

  4. wufpup76 11/12/2013 at 7:33 PM #

    Virginia – 9 minutes, 8 points.

    FEEL THE OFFENSE

  5. Wulfpack 11/12/2013 at 7:40 PM #

    A coach can’t play the game, make the shots, etc. i have no issues with the coaching tonight. We are young. We are going to learn how to win these types of games before it is all said and done with this group. Just needed to execute a little better down the stretch. Will come in time.

  6. Rick 11/12/2013 at 7:45 PM #

    They could use footage from VCU,UVA basketball games to torture prisoners at Guantanamo

  7. bill.onthebeach 11/12/2013 at 7:47 PM #

    “A coach can’t play the game, make the shots, etc.”

    That’s 100% true.. Wulf…

    But the Coach can “win” the game… that’s all I’m saying.

    That and we had two critical game points at 8 & 5 minutes where some “more coaching” might have made a difference…

    The T at the one minute mark was absolutely and totally wasted… and to some extent embarassing… if you’re going for the T — it should have taken at that five minute mark….

    ————
    Wow… Michigan State out of the box TEN to zip over Kentucky…

    Guess Patino needs to get his young guys going here pretty quickly…

  8. Rick 11/12/2013 at 7:49 PM #

    Mc ST is spanking UK

  9. Whiteshoes67 11/12/2013 at 7:53 PM #

    Good showing. Watching college basketball has become excruciatingly difficult due to the zebras. We’re not going to shoot as high a percentage as in the first years because we have zero post presence.

    Its early but I’m still baffled why Gottfried doesn’t extend pressure a little more, especially with a smaller lineup. It worked in the first half when we applied it.

  10. JasonP 11/12/2013 at 7:53 PM #

    If I remember right, there was a TV timeout around the7:30 mark, which Coach was probably waiting for. Really disagree on the coaching criticism above. No way that was the problem tonight. He played good matchups and subbed as best he could. The guys were ready to play but got outmatched down the stretch.

  11. Rick 11/12/2013 at 7:54 PM #

    “Guess Patino needs to get his young guys going here pretty quickly…”

    Do you mean Calipari?

  12. Alpha Wolf 11/12/2013 at 7:58 PM #

    I think when most everyone calms down and quits pointing fingers at the coaches or refs because they are angry, they will realize that the team simply lost its poise down the stretch.

    Poise is a teachable skill. So is keeping your poise in the face of adversity.

    So are defensive footwork, positioning, free throws and offensive execution against more experienced and stronger athletes.

    State is not the deepest of teams this season, and when athletes get tired, they do not execute at the same level as when they are fresh. And they are more likely to lose their focus and to make mistakes.

    Did you folks seriously expect sophomores and freshmen to play like upperclassmen for forty straight minutes?

    But by all means, blame Mark Gottfried for now if it makes you feel better.

  13. bill.onthebeach 11/12/2013 at 7:59 PM #

    ^^yep… thanks… Rick

    Hard to tell one from the other…..

    ———————

    ^I’m so sorry…. I thought this was a ‘football’ thread where criticizing coaches was acceptable.

    Of course… AW … no one expects these young kids to play like fifth year seniors…
    especially the Coaches… so unintentionally I’m sure — you make the best argument for Coach being “quick to the rescue” when the young kids get in trouble….

    I wonder what they “learned” from that T ??

  14. Rick 11/12/2013 at 8:26 PM #

    bill,

    If you expect a perfect game every game you are going to be very unhappy and might want to avoid watching us play.

  15. wufpup76 11/12/2013 at 8:27 PM #

    “Its early but I’m still baffled why Gottfried doesn’t extend pressure a little more, especially with a smaller lineup. It worked in the first half when we applied it.”

    ^I’d be interested to see what happens were this to be implemented. Points in the halfcourt look like they’re gonna be hard to come by unless we’re knocking down perimeter shots.

    It aggravates me to say it, but Cincy was effective in not letting us drive / get to the rim (only aggravated because it’s Cincinnati, and they’re unlikable). Remains to be seen if that’ll be a season-long situation.

    We need to get / force as much transition as possible.

  16. Wulfpack 11/12/2013 at 8:31 PM #

    Transition starts with excellent defense and rebounding. So… Hope we can improve in those areas.

  17. bill.onthebeach 11/12/2013 at 8:45 PM #

    I’ve been watching Pack Basketball since somewhere around 1965 (Van Williford and Mr. HighStick were in Reynolds then)…

    I was very proud of how our kids played tonight and I will watch every game this season, just as I did last season, and the season before, regardless of their W-L record.

    The hardest job in coaching today is to get a group of individuals to play as a team….

    That our Coaches by all appearances have already accomplished this is a high compliment. (no one here has forgotten last year yet…)

    Thus… at this point in the season….this team has a lot more potential for success than 90% of those watching give them.

    That boils down to 3-4 maybe 5 games where they win and they should have lost. That’s 20-22 wins this season. Most of those are the games the Coach wins. Tonight, we had the ball and the lead with ten minutes to go and it did not happen.

    Having played bball for twenty years and coached ten seasons, I do look hard at the Coaches on “those” nights.

    If “everybody” says they’re just kids — so don’t expect much — tonight was a learning experience — then that’s maybe 17 – 18 wins this season.

    That’s a big difference this season (NCAA v. NIT ??) and just as importantly — next season.

    That T at end of game drives me nuts… can’t blame that on the kids.

  18. lush 11/12/2013 at 8:46 PM #

    ^^ yes. How many offensive rebounds did we let them have?

  19. MrPlywood 11/12/2013 at 9:10 PM #

    re: UVA/VCU – As much as I dislike UVA, I would prefer to see the Hoos take down Shaka and crew.

  20. Wulfpack 11/12/2013 at 9:39 PM #

    Shaka can coach. Love the havoc style of D. They are a legitimately good team.

  21. BJD95 11/12/2013 at 9:42 PM #

    Enjoying Sparty/KY. Don’t think I will stay up late enough for Duke/KS. Plus I hate both teams.

  22. vtpackfan 11/12/2013 at 10:43 PM #

    4th personnel on Turner was huge. Too much time left and a complete bogus call.

    Anya’s minutes were decent. He had a great block that just ended up right in to Cincys hands for an easy outback. He was the only big who was not fazed by the shot blockers. He can take that baby hook in the lane whenever he posts

    In the last 10 we actually had a lot of point blank 2nd chance attempts of the tip in that we could finish. This team will have to get more stick backs this year to make up for the lack of firepower.

    Overall a good vibe. If Kilpatrick stays healthy then they have a good squad. The game was really house money.

    Warren took some very questionable shots at times but I like that he’s being assertive. He is a very skilled baller and his passing abilities are sharp. Our guys need to fight to the basket and adjust to how teams double him. Down the stretch it was more watching the play once TJ faced up with the ball.

    I feel good about our backcourt but I would feel so much better if either Tyler or Cat could shoot from long range. Lee and Turner should take the most of those shots but our PG’s need to draw the defense out more.

  23. packalum44 11/12/2013 at 11:10 PM #

    Almost every play could be called a foul. The added subjectivity is something I dread come ACC play.

    Mark needs to better coach our players to draw contact on offense, with the exception of hippo and Des Lee we are all fineese.

  24. chedgeco 11/12/2013 at 11:15 PM #

    I don’t think anyone realizes it yet….but we’re gonna miss Wood. Having that go to guy to get a 3 or at the end of the game having that person who can shoot 99% from the free throw line.

  25. FunPack 11/12/2013 at 11:21 PM #

    “The T at the one minute mark was absolutely and totally wasted… and to some extent embarassing… if you’re going for the T — it should have taken at that five minute mark…”

    Bill, if I’m reading your “T” comments correctly, it seems you think the T was done intentionally, or as strategy, or from something said to the refs. The T was actually called for having too many players on the court. We had 6 guys out there and the refs called it. Certainly wasn’t intentional.

    If you are saying that someone screwed up, then yeah I suppose that’s true. Seems to me pretty easy to fix. First time I’ve seen that happen in 40+ years of watching college ball. Hardly the worst of our mistakes.

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