Guest Column: Doeren Deserves Time To Turn Around The Football Program

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Lynch mobs have a way of rapidly metastasizing, and their growth is often fed by emotion and a lack of reasoning. For those who are considering igniting their torches and heading down to the Murphy Center to demand the ouster of head football coach Dave Doeren, they would do well to defer to reason and patience instead of emotion.

While some Wolfpack faithful might wish to claim that “the jury is still out” in the case of Coach Doeren, or worse, they might want to consider that this “trial” has only just begun. By no means has the jury left the courtroom to deliberate. The prosecutors are seemingly anxious for a conviction, but the defendant in this case, must be given ample time and opportunity to defend himself against his accusers.  In this case, his accusers have a five game losing streak and the prospect of it lengthening to the end of this football season — and maybe beyond that.

Undoubtedly, the prosecution will attack Coach Doeren’s coaching decisions, but it will also dig deeper into his background to prove that he is not up to the task at hand. The jury will be reminded that Coach Doeren in his only other head coaching job inherited a successful program at Northern Illinois University from previous head coach Jerry Kill. Coming off an 11-3 season, Doeren’s primary task was to steady the helm and keep the ship in the channel. In that aspect, he succeeded by going 23-4 (.851) over two seasons, culminating in a BCS bowl-busting Orange Bowl berth. In other words, the prosecution would have the jury believe that Coach Doeren has little experience in building his own program and that quite possibly, he is incapable of doing so – that perhaps he is in a bit over his head.

His detractors will point out that the last time that N.C. State went fishing for a coach in Mid-American Conference waters, they reeled in Tom Reed from Miami of Ohio. Reed, like Doeren, was successful in his previous position posting a 34-19-2 (.636) record over five seasons. Coach Reed’s first season at State ended with a disastrous 3-8 record. Torches were lit then too, but cooler heads prevailed, and Reed was allowed two more campaigns. He ended up logging three successive 3-8 seasons before he was shown the road out of Raleigh.
The prosecution will also remind the jury that if not for Niklas Sade’s 48 yard field goal with 33 seconds left on the game clock, the Wolfpack would have lost at home to the Richmond Spiders – an FCS opponent. That harrowing victory, coupled with home wins against Conference USA bottom feeder Louisiana Tech and MAC lightweight Central Michigan remain the only notches on Coach Doeren’s “pistol” to date.

On the other hand, Doeren’s defenders will be quick to point out that while Tom Reed was indeed a failed hire in retrospect, even he was allowed three seasons to clot the gushing nose bleed that is Monte Kiffin’s legacy at State. Likewise, the Kiffin debacle lasted for three seasons also, and its report card shows a pathetic 16-17 record. History shows that since 1971, when Al Michaels was the interim head coach, no N.C. State head football coach has been given less than three seasons to produce positive results. To erase that precedent, at this point, would be unrealistic as well as unfair. Thankfully, Dr. Yow is no Quick Draw McGraw and can be expected to treat her hire fairly.

In his defense, Coach Doeren can also point out that while he showed up late to the recruiting game, he was still quite successful in his recruiting endeavors. Further, he can claim that when he went to check out the cupboard that his predecessor had left him, he ended up feeling a bit like Old Mother Hubbard. This was especially true at the quarterback position – arguably the most important position. It is becoming increasingly apparent why Brandon Mitchell was not given the reins to the Arkansas offense, and Pete Thomas has been merely adequate – at best.

Reality is a wet blanket that can smother the flames of irrational exuberance and unreasonable expectations. The lighting of lynch mob torches is not a means to an end, at least not yet. The truth is that the only lynch mob that Coach Doeren wishes to see when he looks out of his office window in the Murphy Center would be a mob of NIU offensive lineman surrounding Jordan Lynch with immediate eligibility papers in hand.  But that is equally unreasonable, so just hope that the Pack doesn’t end up in the reeds again.

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92 Responses to Guest Column: Doeren Deserves Time To Turn Around The Football Program

  1. tobaccordshow 11/11/2013 at 7:03 AM #

    Add this guy to the permanent editor role. Very well written and interesting!

  2. wolfbuff 11/11/2013 at 7:17 AM #

    Of course he deserves time. The calls to the contrary are absurd. Football recruiting classes take years to contribute. I would argue he deserves 5 years. However that comes with a big IF. He has got to show improvement in sideline organization. I can understand lack of execution by a group of under-talented players adjusting to a new offensive scheme – maybe one they are just not skilled to run – but the coaching staff has to be more decisive and sharp in the play calling.

  3. Pack78 11/11/2013 at 7:28 AM #

    Post from paulag78 on PP:

    “Year one records:
    Vince Lombardi: 1-10-1
    Bear Bryant:5-4-1
    Nick Saban (Alabama):7-6 2-6 after sanctions
    Woody Hayes: 4-3-2
    Bobby Bowden (FSU): 5-6
    Joe Paterno: 5-5
    Steve Spurrier: 5-6
    Frank Beamer: 2-9
    Les Miles: 4-7”

    Time will tell, but I expect rapid improvement by 2015…

  4. GAWolf 11/11/2013 at 7:49 AM #

    When our players are of less talent than Duke’s, we have serious problems that will not be fixed over night. Ding dongs that believe otherwise are, well, just ding dongs. I’m not sure there’s much else that can be said. It’s pretty simple. Some of the play calling is certainly questionable, but fans question that stuff year in and year out always. The real issue here is that we’re outclassed in the talent department across the board. I’ll give this guy more than three years given our talent deficiency.

  5. BassPacker 11/11/2013 at 8:01 AM #

    Not with match in hand yet…but with that being said would like to have more confidence results are more due to lack of talent opposed to coaching staff. With two consecutive games of questionable play calling that basically gives the other team points just not feeling it with Coach D. You can’t blame the talent when the coach puts them behind the eight ball early with some of the worse fake punt situations in college football history.

  6. tuckerdorm1983 11/11/2013 at 8:05 AM #

    Of am putting my faith in DD. I stand behind him 100%. A couple of gutsy calls (fake punt against UNC and 4 and 1 against Duke) is just a guy trying to get an edge. Note the contributions of the players he has recruited. Without a QB no coach can do much of anything. We might even win one of these last three.

  7. Wulfpack 11/11/2013 at 8:22 AM #

    I am behind him but my enthusiasm is certainly tempered. It is a tall order turning this mess TOB created around, and the competition within our division has never been stiffer. We are in horrid condition. And Doeren and staff have looked a bit over their heads at times in some games. Let’s just hope that is more about the lack of talent. Many of us thought we’d be bad, but not THIS bad. Hope he can turn it around quicky.

  8. old13 11/11/2013 at 8:37 AM #

    “A couple of gutsy calls (fake punt against UNC and 4 and 1 against Duke) is just a guy trying to get an edge.”

    That’s been my thought exactly. IMO neither of those calls would have been made if the O had any balance and consistency, especially at QB and OL.

    Excellent column! DD should get at least three years to show development. If one observes the coaching from a long-term program perspective, there are a lot of positives that should bode well for the future – especially recruiting and player development.

  9. JKL 11/11/2013 at 8:40 AM #

    WAIT… There are ACTUALLY people out there that want Doeren fired after this season?!

    You people TRULY are lunatics. He’s a FIRST YEAR COACH without HIS players (I.e. See Jimbo Fisher’s first few years at FSU), no returning QB, and very little as far as depth on either side of the ball.

    I understand the “preparation” argument and have questioned play-calling myself, but to even consider firing a top tier coach after 1 season reeks of desperation.

  10. PoppaJohn 11/11/2013 at 8:49 AM #

    Gotta agree w/ JKL – what a stupid idea.

    Who would we hire? “We have a job opening, but no players, and we’ll fire you mid-season if we don’t like your play calling.” “And by the way, good luck with recruiting.”

  11. DC_wolf 11/11/2013 at 9:34 AM #

    Well said, guest (& JKL.. & Poppa). I personally would like to have seen Jordan Lynch in our particular shade of red.. but been able to enjoy RW & Glennon in it. I myself am biting the bullet on this season.. & have already cracked a couple teeth (c’mon man, the “smokin’ holes” & “dook”), but I’m prepared to give Doeren @ least 3 years on the honesty he’s brought to the position. ONE small bone of contention: while I admire some of the gutsy play calls, I would also like to see evidence of great coaching w/ what you’ve got (admitted, it ain’t a lot but we did go to a bowl last year) & I’ve yet to see coaching that makes me say “yeah, just maybe!”

  12. LifeLongWolf 11/11/2013 at 9:42 AM #

    Honestly, the play calling is a POSITIVE in DD’s favor.

    How many times did I see people ripping TOB for being too conservative? Remember Clemson a few years ago? I admit the situations were different, but the point remains, sometimes you gotta take a risk.

    With as little talent as we have, I would also argue you have to take MORE risks, not less. I admire DD for his play calling, and I can’t wait to see what he’ll do with some decent players.

    (PS: No disrespect to the current players, they just have been asked to do something they aren’t equipped for. I appreciate the fact that they all seem to be playing their butts off every game).

  13. Big Dog 11/11/2013 at 9:49 AM #

    Picking football coaches is a crap shoot that goes on after each football season. Ours came from the Mid American Conference as have many throughout the years. Some of the names you may recognize from the MAC; current and past:

    Brady Hoke – Ball State/Michigan
    Urban Meyer – BGSU/OSU
    Nick Saban – Kent State/Alabama
    Woody Hayes – Miami/OSU
    Bo Schembechler – Miami/Michigan
    Dave McClain – Ball State/Wisconsin
    Bill Mallory – Miami/Colorado
    Lou Holtz – Kent State – NC State
    Darrell Hazell – Kent State – Purdue
    Dave Doeren – NIU/NC State

    Some of the current coaches in the MAC that may be the next to go:

    Pete Lembo – Elon/Ball State/????
    Dave Clawson – BGSU
    Matt Campbell – Toledo

    Others that are currently coaching in the MAC:

    Terry Bowden – Akron
    Chuck Amato (DC) – Akron
    Frank Solich – Ohio (ex-Nebraska)

    The point I am attempting to make is that the Mid American Conference is full of coaches that have a lot of talent and the conference is traditionally a launching pad for the next level. This alone does not make a coach successful, of course, but to coach against these guys with comparable talent on the field each week is a challenge.

    To make the step from NIU to NC State is a logical step for DD and our program. Whether he is the real deal or not, only time will tell. What history tells us is that we have followed a traditional path to get our head coach. Many programs dip into the Mid American coaching pool for their new hire. History also tells us that some programs and coaches coming from the MAC have been very successful at the next level. I would venture a guess that some would tell you that they have suffered as much or more than DD in their first year(s) before turning the trajectory around. Coaching is a very close fraternity and these guys recruit within the community for the top talent. In my opinion, we have some very good young coaches and in the future we will be trying to figure out how to keep them and replace them with good talent when they go to the next level.

  14. coach13 11/11/2013 at 10:09 AM #

    The talent is so lacking, I’d just assume take another bad year (which I fully expect next year), redshirt alot of what looks like a decent recruiting class, and hope for .500 year 3. Seen alot of folks say we’ll know by uear 3, but I am not expecting division contention year 3. Vast improvement year 3, 8-9 wins year 4, making some noise year 5, contend for division. If there were much of anything to build on talent-wise I’d have a quicker time table but I want a solid foundation that wil last.

  15. Master 11/11/2013 at 10:18 AM #

    First, anyone who thinks coach Doeren should be fired on the basis of his first year with players who don’t yet fit his scheme are just idiots.

    Second, does anyone consider that some of these “questionable” plays might not look so questionable with better players?

    Finally, I think a coach should get five years to prove himself unless he is obviously failing at recruiting, graduating players or improving the fundamental skills and emotional strength of his players.

  16. packalum44 11/11/2013 at 10:35 AM #

    No rational person is calling for DD to be fired. It is arguably not a good idea to even validate the irrational exuberance of such an idea by having a blog post on such a respected cite. Media needs division to drive traffic though, non-profit sites are no difference I suppose.

  17. WolfInVolCountry 11/11/2013 at 10:39 AM #

    Ok… I am a “me too” here. Why is this even a topic of conversation. Coach Doeren took over a program with less than middling talent and no depth… and people are calling for his head?

    BS… get back to me in four years. If we are still in this predicament, we will talk.

  18. DC_wolf 11/11/2013 at 10:40 AM #

    Want to remind everyone of a quote that came from Coach Doeren himself: “it will take @ least 3 years of good recruiting to get to where we need to be..” I don’t think he was buying himself time – I think he was just being honest

  19. eas 11/11/2013 at 10:43 AM #

    Doesn’t matter what we all think really. Bottom line is DD will get 3 years to put us on track (not to the top just on track). DY as well as most will not “fund” more than 3 years without improvement. You can’t pay 1.8 million+ a year without some improvement. The 5 year mark will be the true test of what we have become and where we are going.

    DD will be here at least 3 years before any possible decisions are made and possibly 5 with some improvement. Now that being said “if” he doesn’t win ANY ACC games this year and NEXT year (maybe even with just one win) I don’t see how in the world he will make it to the next year at that point. That is not going to happen and we will improve. I am just saying that is the only way I see him getting canned early in year 2.

    It is what is….no choice but to wait and see if he will be the man or not. Then again that’s the life of a Wolfpack fan right?

  20. bill.onthebeach 11/11/2013 at 10:59 AM #

    Amen.

    Time is our friend.

    The only thing not highlighted above is the fact that “coaching” is just like “playing ball”….

    Coaches got to make split second decisions in the heat of battle, too. And there’s an “adjustment” every time you move up a level. Good Coaches “learn something” every game. All the Coaches listed above got better at that with every season well into their late fifties or sixties.

    Coach Doeren and staff will too.

    Trolls and naysayers should all go back to PP and IC or just chill.

  21. TeufelWolf 11/11/2013 at 11:20 AM #

    I have a decent memory and I recall preseason (and after the LA Tech win) reading a lot of posts to the tune of, “I just hope he stays a year or two before he gets swooped up by the SEC”. I would say the same thing now as I was thinking then — “relax”.

  22. TeufelWolf 11/11/2013 at 11:30 AM #

    ….as long as we don’t take the Obama approach — meaning giving him four years to prove his complete worthlessness –> then pick him up again for another four

  23. TheCOWDOG 11/11/2013 at 12:06 PM #

    Hmmm. Well started. Even our remedial bunch could get that piece.

  24. Pack85EE 11/11/2013 at 12:11 PM #

    It was 4th and inches (3), not 4th and 1. Tom wouldn’t have gone for it, but’s that’s one I think the naysayers here criticized him for. True, I Don’t understand why not a QB keeper with Mitchell, but I know this coaching staff is smarter than me (and you?).

    Changing direction a little from this dire talk that has lost all remembrance of how DD saved the recruiting year and how well his new guys are doing, let’s talk O line.

    I see that DD’s team is rushing better than any team TOB had. Yet we know the line is weak. Two starters are sophomores that DD brought in. What if we didn’t have them? Aside from QB’s making mistakes, it’s the O line that has us as just about the worst redzone offense in Div 1. When that gets stronger, we score more rush TD’s, have a better 4th and short percentage and even give the QB more time.

    Next year, I expect the line will be better, were not losing much,, and the QB will be better.

  25. gumby 11/11/2013 at 12:15 PM #

    What I find odd is I haven’t heard or read where anyone has called for him to be fired, but there’s an outpouring of vitriol against these phantoms that supposedly have called for it. Seems a bit of a premature kneejerk reaction to try to put out a fire that isn’t there.

    That being said, the clock is ticking…

    PS just because a play call is “gutsy” doesn’t mean it wasn’t utterly stupid (yes I am referring to the fake punt – a play that will live in imfamy).

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