Technician: How far can Pete Thomas take the Pack

Technician is asking a relevant question for discussion – How far can Thomas take the Pack?

In relief of Mitchell against the Bulldogs, Thomas completed 15 of 27 passes for 212 yards with no touchdowns and an interception. In his first Wolfpack start last Saturday against Richmond, Thomas connected on 24 of 31 passes for 237 yards, improving his completion percentage from the previous week by about 22 points. However, he also threw two interceptions.

Interceptions have been Thomas’ pitfall throughout his career. During his freshman year at Colorado State in 2010, he threw 13 interceptions and 11 touchdowns. During his sophomore season, he cut down that figure to eight interceptions and seven touchdowns. It should be noted that in 2011, Thomas threw 261 passes, 130 fewer than his freshman year.

Thomas, who stands 6-foot-6-inches, is regarded as a pocket passer, but in the game against Richmond, Thomas showed flashes of mobility, running nine times for 47 yards. If the Wolfpack wants to continue to be successful with Thomas at the helm, Thomas will have to keep working on using his legs as well as his arm.

For me, the projected analysis of the Brandon Mitchell injury/Pete Thomas replacement was pretty clear from the moment that it happened — it’s all about Wake Forest (and potentially Syracuse).

Presuming that Mitchell’s projected timeline for return on October 12th (vs Syracuse) holds true, then Mitchell absence only has one opportunity to significantly impact the Wolfpack’s fortunes for the season in a ‘swing game’– October 5th at Wake Forest.

In the window of Mitchell’s projected absence I think you had/have to presume a State win vs Richmond and Central Michigan regardless of Mitchell’s presence. Similarly, you have to presume a loss against Clemson (even if Mitchell was on the field). So, if Mitchell does return for Syracuse, this ultimately leaves the ‘opportunity cost’ of his injury and Thomas’ play as the ‘swing game’ at dreaded Wake Forest.

I know that it is easy to highlight how State almost lost to Richmond and therefore that game is/was not a ‘gimme’. But if you pay attention to the items that really impacted the Richmond game – (1) untimely turnovers from State that mostly were fumbles; (2) exceptional execution on some key offensive plays by Richmond; an (3) an awful officiated series in the first half that gave Richmond seven points – then you won’t see ‘Pete Thomas’ name anywhere on the list. In fact, Thomas’ 77% completion percentage and big plays on 3rd down conversion serve to support how integral Thomas was to the Wolfpack’s victory on Saturday.

Technician summed up their piece with what I think was a very accurate conclusion:

Thomas has the ability as well as the supporting cast around him to keep the Pack on course for a season to be proud of. It’s understandable for a fan base to have reservations about a second-string quarterback, but in State’s case, it could be a lot worse.

Barring any unforeseen event, the question of how far Thomas can take the Pack will most likely be answered in Winston-Salem on October 5th.

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33 Responses to Technician: How far can Pete Thomas take the Pack

  1. vapackfan 09/11/2013 at 9:22 AM #

    Agree with your summation Technician. Here are a few points. Thomas is head and shoulders above any previous backup at State. Self inflicted wounds by other players is not the fault of Thomas. And how about the 2nd half defense showing up the entire game. Yes Mitchell is the better QB by far, but lets not kill Thomas just yet.

  2. tjfoose1 09/11/2013 at 9:32 AM #

    “Thomas is head and shoulders above any previous backup at State.”

    Hardly.

    Lets See… RW had a pretty good back up his last year at State. Philip Rivers had Olin Hannum his first 2 seasons.

    Geoff Bender, Terry Harvey, and Shane Montgomery all put up impressive numbers as backups while leading the Wolfpack to victories over quality opponents.

  3. tjfoose1 09/11/2013 at 9:33 AM #

    A more appropriate question might be how far can the running game take the ‘Pack.

  4. wolffpride 09/11/2013 at 9:53 AM #

    From what I have seen so far, Thomas is capable of managing this team and delivering enough clutch plays to win out until Mitchell comes back. Clemson is a long shot but we still have a shot and their defense isn’t that much improved from last year so I like Thomas’ chance for success. Wake looks like our team last year: all the right pieces for a great season but short on delivering. I think DD breaks the Wake away game streak this year.

    Thomas has thrown one bad pick that I have seen this year. The Underwood pass is not on him, catch the ball! Glennon use to throw fastballs too. The pick in the first game he was duped by a talented D lineman, it happens. All in all, I have been pretty impressed with his play thus far, he is not Russell Wilson but I don’t see him as any worse than Glennon at this point. People need to lay off of him, at least until he actually loses us a game.

  5. GAWolf 09/11/2013 at 10:04 AM #

    While the interception against Richmond wasn’t Pete’s fault, he still had several other throws that were very reckless. He needs to take better care of the ball. Beyond that, I think he’s capable of limping us back to full strength.

  6. vtpackfan 09/11/2013 at 10:18 AM #

    PT is just a puzzle piece regarding the Pack fortunes in early ACC play. Regardless of who is taking the snaps out of the pistol it is ultimately up to the 1)effectiveness of our team blocking (not just OL) and 2) taking care of the ball.

    Keep in mind that we’ve only witnessed about half our offensive play book. Wildcat formation emphasizing Rashard Smith, more snaps of Sheriffs, and pulling lineman for jet sweeps are waiting in the wings. It’s been vanilla play calling so far.

  7. Gowolves 09/11/2013 at 10:49 AM #

    I hope I am wrong but I don’ t see him coming back until after the bye week. That would the six week mark. That would be the FSU game. The type of break he has takes a while to heal and can easliy re-break. Just MHO.

  8. DC_wolf 09/11/2013 at 10:54 AM #

    Hopefully Pete can take us as far as the date of Mitchell’s return… but seriously, I’ve not seen too terribly much to warrant this much concern – except the aforementioned ball protection. We’ve certainly had worse “starters” (e.g., Jay Davis in the immediate aftermatch of Rivers’ graduation); I tend to agree w/ wolfpride: give the guy some space until he proves otherwise.

    On a completely unrelated topic, NCSU moved up 10 spaces in US News & World Report’s ranking of colleges & universities:

    http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

    “●Up 10: University of Oklahoma (to 101); St. Mary’s University of Minnesota (to 173); North Carolina State University-Raleigh (to 101); University of Kentucky (to 119); Andrews University (to 181); University of Nevada-Reno (to 181) and Penn State University (notably, to 37).”

    Nice to see us that far ahead of UK 😉 Of course, we all know USNWR’s methodology gets about as much respect as a bowl of granola @ a hotdog eating contest (or, the Krispy Kreme Challenge…)

  9. LRM 09/11/2013 at 11:33 AM #

    I think it’s a stretch to project too much of Mitchell based on a sample size of two series against a wholly inadequate defensive squad.

    I’ll be very surprised if he regains the starting role after his return.

  10. 1.21 Jigawatts 09/11/2013 at 11:33 AM #

    Pete Thomas. Jay Davis. Marcus Stone. Daniel Evans. Harrison Beck.

    You say tomato…..

  11. BlackHole91 09/11/2013 at 11:42 AM #

    “could be a lot worse”

    think about what would have happened last year if Glennon had gotten hurt… Manny Stocker!

    So I agree that Thomas is pretty darn good for a backup QB option.

  12. VaWolf82 09/11/2013 at 11:51 AM #

    A more appropriate question might be how far can the running game take the ‘Pack.

    Ron White fans already know the answer to this question…..all the way to the scene of the crash.

  13. Mike 09/11/2013 at 11:54 AM #

    It is an interesting discussion, but completely worthless. For the time being, Pete Thomas is our starting QB and may be once Mitchell returns. It is not like we are debating should I buy a new car or continue to drive the clunker. We have no choice but to support Thomas and do all we can to build him up and his confidence to make him the best QB he can be.

    Mitchell showed spark and IMHO clearly showed why he won the job. BUT, breaking a foot and sitting out 6 weeks, how sharp is he going to be? Will he be ready (crap, that stupid kick off song is now in my head) for action on his return? Timing is crucial – even a split second off is the difference between hitting a receiver in stride and throwing a pick.

    Personally, I am thankful we have Pete – he has started previously and has some experience which is better than Stocker or a true freshman.

  14. Pack85EE 09/11/2013 at 12:08 PM #

    A couple things
    VA Pack Fan ” Yes Mitchell is the better QB by far”. LRM and I both ask if we really know that. Pete was O Brian’s projected starter but DD wanted a different type of QB. Mitchell did not prove he was ready until the end and then just two series when a poor team saw our offense for the first time he looked good. Not much of a sample size at all. VTPackfan mentioned the play book. I think there will be things that Mitchell can do better than Pete that may be duplicated in Sheriff (sp) but also telegraphed (IE we know why Sherriff is in there). With Mitchell, hopefully we have the hole playbook as an option. But, when will a rusty Mitchell be ready to deliver the whole playbook. I’m not sure how quickly he becomes first choice over a Pete Thomas with 3 more games experience. I expect Mitchell to be introduced slowly the first gam back. So, maybe the question is, how far will DD take us this year!

  15. Pack85EE 09/11/2013 at 12:13 PM #

    And when are we going to see Shadrack tote the pumpkin?

  16. Six Pack 09/11/2013 at 12:35 PM #

    You mean Shad drop the pumpkin…

  17. tjfoose1 09/11/2013 at 12:51 PM #

    “People need to lay off of him, at least until he actually loses us a game.”

    Who’s attacking him?

  18. tjfoose1 09/11/2013 at 12:55 PM #

    “I think it’s a stretch to project too much of Mitchell based on a sample size of two series against a wholly inadequate defensive squad.”

    I think folks are using more than just those two series, at least I am.

    “I’ll be very surprised if he regains the starting role after his return.”

    I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t. That is, assuming he comes back healthy after 6 weeks out.

  19. redisgood 09/11/2013 at 1:13 PM #

    I feel both the Wake Forest and Syracuse games are coin flips. Whether or not Mitchell is superior to Thomas, it would be nice to have him back. Mitchell’s running ability gives the opposing defenses one more thing they have to prepare for during the week and deal with during the game.

  20. PackFamily 09/11/2013 at 1:33 PM #

    ” But if you pay attention to the items that really impacted the Richmond game – (1) untimely turnovers from State that mostly were fumbles; ”

    That is not how i see it. PT cannot throw. The turnovers and drop off in O (and the other problems that arise because of it) start there. He is interception prone and there is an abundance of proof available from CU. Two years later, it has resumed here. I think he may be too hard on himself and thus plays too tight. Whatever the reason, we have a much more limited offense with him in there. I had an unrealistic/NC State hope that the staff is playing poker and the injury, which can be minor if occurring in a certain spot, and that BM could return in 19 days for the CU game. It’s good to admit when you are engaging in crazy thoughts, so you can get the help and realism you need.

  21. vtpackfan 09/11/2013 at 1:36 PM #

    I wish a game in W-S ended up a coin flip. WF only gets “up” for 2 games- @FSU and Home vs. Stare. Every single other match-up is a Swiss Roll-up for them.

  22. vapackfan 09/11/2013 at 1:38 PM #

    To tjfoose1. was referring to D Evans, J Burke. didn’t exactly set the world on fire. there are a couple of others that I can’t recall.

  23. TeufelWolf 09/11/2013 at 1:39 PM #

    Mitchell is the starter. He will be the starter when he returns.
    Thomas is a perfectly suitable backup. He will be fine as long as he can stay calm in the pocket.
    This is an article from the Technician.
    8 days until Clempson! GO PACK!

  24. vapackfan 09/11/2013 at 1:46 PM #

    All I am trying (struggling ?) to say is the gap from starter to back up doesn’t appear to be as wide as min the past. RW was mentioned earlier. I remember back to the Rutgers game when he got hurt. The offense wasn’t very good after that.

  25. redisgood 09/11/2013 at 2:00 PM #

    I can’t help but think if TOB was the coach right now, we would have Pete Thomas at the starter, Manny Stocker as the back-up, little production from the freshmen, and we would be 1-1 right now.

    I’m happy we have PT as the back-up, and I also cannot wait until Mitchell comes back.

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