Are NC State fans bad fans? [UPDATE]

College Football Dave Doeren105

It’s been brought to my attention (h/t Greywolf) that what was presented in the N&O/Charlotte Observer wasn’t entirely what Doeren said at the news conference pertaining to the fans and the second half. Here’s the full statement by Doeren:

“The Walk of Champions was really special. I know our players were excited and I want to thank the fans for that,” Doeren said at his weekly press conference Monday. “The first half attendance was outstanding. I’d like to issue a challenge to them to help us out in the third and fourth quarter.”

“I think this program has a goal of being a national program and to have home games at a place as awesome as ours, with the number of tickets we sell and the passion that our fanbase has, we need them in the seats in the third and fourth quarter to be a great team,” Doeren said. “You win games in the third and fourth quarter. It’s great to start fast with a big crowd, but it’s better to finish with one. I think that’s an advantage we need to gain.

“I’m asking them to change their routine a little bit… come back into the stadium a little earlier and stay a little longer. Support our guys, something we need if our program is going to grow the way everyone wants it to.”

Seeing his entire quote, while it would have changed the tone of my opinion piece, it does not change my opinion or the reasoning behind my opinion. Maybe a different tone to my article would have had the desired effect of people actually debating the merits of my opinion and reasoning instead of attacking me and those who shared my opinion.

For instance, do you disagree that average price for tickets to NC State are ranked in the Top 25 in the entire country for college football? Do you disagree that the product on the field has been, for the majority, mediocre during the last 10 years? Do you disagree that the level of non-con opponents has declined over the years? Do you disagree that fans (paying customers) should be able to decide how they choose to spend their time at the games? Do you disagree that under the circumstances of this past weekend (weather, opponent, first game) that maybe it was a bad PR move for Doeren to make this statement? What if he had issued the challenge before the first game? What if he had issued the challenge halfway through the season after having a sample size more than ONE?

As I stated in the article football games are entertainment. If a show on TV isn’t entertaining people will choose to watch something else or do something else. If you step back and look at attending football games as more than just watching it live, you’ll see it’s an event to the majority of people who attend. They come to see friends, spend time with them, enjoy watching entertaining football, enjoy watching quality football against quality opponents. They aren’t lemmings who blindly support the team just because it’s their team. Fans attend games for a myriad of reasons but mostly they want to enjoy themselves and have a good time. If so many people feel the experience INSIDE the stadium (quality of NC State football team, quality of opponent, fan experience in their seats and on the concourse) is worse than the experience OUTSIDE the stadium then can you blame them, who have spent their disposable income and precious free time, to seek out the best place to spend it?

Here’s the question everyone should be asking, If roughly half the fans are not in their seats after halftime then what can the University do to bring them back faster or keep people from leaving? Why is it on the fans? They paid the ticket. They showed up to the game. What are they getting for their money?

Maybe you feel everyone MUST be in their seats at the start of the second half because you’re there? Maybe the answer is eliminating the halftime pass-outs? Maybe we should have re-education classes for ticket buyers so they can learn the proper way of attending games and be true fans? Maybe we should have Seat Monitors to record who’s in their seats? Maybe a system where they redistribute the tickets of those untrue fans to those who will follow the rules of being a fan?

Maybe you feel everyone should be able to spend their time as they see fit, considering they did spend their own money to buy the tickets and some driving hours away to be there. Maybe the University could plan ahead and put cooling/misting stations for games where there’s a high chance of high heat? That might keep people around longer. Maybe use that big giant screen in the endzone for more than deafening people with annoying commercials? Maybe have the marching band play something other than MUZAK? I’m not talking Drumline here but for the longest time I can’t find Valium that works better than our own marching band.

My point is argue the merits of my opinion, don’t get bent out of shape over the tone or just read the headline and attack. Speaking of the headlines, did I use quotes in my headline? Did it grab your attention to read the article?

As Sgt. Hulka would say, “Lighten up Francis.”

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I’m not a big opinion writer, I usually let statistics do the talking for me because I can get a little over emotional but when I saw this article in the N&O I felt I needed to say something. (FYI, a heads up, I just wrote the entire article, read it, and yes I probably got a little too emotional about it but I don’t how else to say it) I understand this is Coach Doeren’s first game at NC State, this is mostly coachspeak to the fans, and he likely never heard of us before Yow came calling for a new coach, so this is as much directed at any coach, not just Doeren, who wants to call out NC State fans publically…think before you speak:

Doeren thanked the fans for their support during the pregame “Walk of Champions” and in the first half but said there needs to be more bodies in the seats in the second half.

“The passion that our fan base has, we need them to be in the seats in the third and fourth quarter to be a great team,” Doeren said on Monday at his weekly news conference.

“You win big games in the third and fourth quarter. It’s great to start fast with a big crowd but it’s better to finish with one. That’s an advantage that we need to gain.”

Too many times I’ve heard coaches complain about fans not showing up early or not coming back for the start of the second half, we especially heard this from TOB. NC State fans have put up with a lot of crap from local media to head coaches to athletic directors (present AD excluded) telling us how ungrateful we are or how part of the reason we’re not great is because we aren’t doing our part. Guess what, we haven’t been the reason we aren’t a great team. In fact I say NC State fans have been the only thing keeping us from being the doormats of the ACC because of our vocal presence and financial support. NC State fans always show up for games, we come early and IF you bring us a big game we’re always there to the end, just ask Florida State last year, or Clemson the year before, or heck even Boston College during Amato’s miserable final season, not to mention non-cons like South Carolina and Pittsburgh in 09, Louisville 07, Ohio State 04, Texas Tech 03, South Carolina 99, Syracuse 98. Even if the game isn’t big time we are there. The only exceptions to the rules are the horrible entry processes over the past several years, to which our students will decide to all try to enter the stadium at the same time going through 1 gate or miserable weather, just like we experienced this past weekend. I wasn’t personally there but I was there in 2007 against Clemson when it was even hotter and we were getting our butts handed to us. It was hot and miserable, with no relief from the sun and sold out of water before halftime. Needless to say my family and I beat feet to the car and drove home, where I was sick for the rest of the day due to the heat. One person who gets NC State fans is Yow:

N.C. State athletic director Debbie Yow said Monday that Doeren has not asked her to change the policy. Yow said the heat (temperatures were in the high 80s) was more of a problem on Saturday than the halftime policy.

Yow said the school prefers to schedule games at night early in the season to avoid such scenarios, and will play Saturday’s game against Richmond at 6 p.m., but that the ACC’s television contract was the reason the game was scheduled earlier.

“It was brutally hot with a 12:30 start,” Yow said Monday. “I understand why Coach D would want our fans to be there and they usually are.”

I’m not trying to bash on Doeren, I think he is exactly what we need to get off mediocre, my point is Doeren really should have said nothing, especially since he’s only experienced 1 game in Carter-Finley. It was 12:30 on a scorching hot day in August against, let’s be honest here, a no name program Louisiana Tech. If Doeren wants butts in the seats come the start of the second half then schedule people who are worth watching the boys in Red/White play if the TV gods are going to dictate we play a non-con before 6 in September. Yes I know he had nothing to do with our current schedule but I remember reading his philosophy on non-conference scheduling is at most 1 named team a year. I hate to be the guy to reveal this to coaches but football is En-ter-tain-ment. You are the WWE. You’re the circus. You’re a Monster Truck Rally. If you don’t give people something entertaining to watch we’ll find something else to do and excuse us fans who chose to partake in the one thing we have had that’s been a positive the last umpteen years…tailgating. In case anyone at NC State hasn’t figured it out yet, tailgating is one of the main things that separates us from our fellow ACC brethren. What other schools in the ACC, besides the “football schools”, can put on the atmosphere we currently have outside of Carter-Finley?

There aren’t many fan bases out there who have given financially, all the time being told we need money in order to be a champion, and received only complaints of the fans in return. Forbes did an article about the average cost per ticket for each school. Guess what?!? NC State is in the Top 25 in something:

A total of 10 teams not ranked in the Top 25 by the AP are on the list of most expensive average home game tickets. The leader among the non-ranked teams is Iowa, with an average price of $166. Other non-ranked teams on the list include Washington ($151), Mississippi State ($146), NC State ($118) and Syracuse ($114).

21. Oklahoma State ($122)
22. NC State ($118)
23. West Virginia ($116)
24. Syracuse ($114)
25. Kansas State ($114)

Between the LifeTime Rights for seats, WPC dues, and Ticket Prices, I think it’s safe to say even the average NC State fan has given both his time and money and seen nothing but mediocrity for our return on “investment”.

Here’s the bottom line, if the product on the field is worth sitting in 90+ degree temperatures for 3+ hours then you’ll have the people there. We’ve proven that time and time again…we’ll be there. Until that time, can I make a suggestion to any coach out there that wants to take shots at their paying customers? Think before you speak.

Full Disclosure: I’ve been a season ticket holder for 15 years, a LTR holder for about half that time. When I attend games I tailgate for a few hours before kickoff, in my seats 30 minutes before kickoff, stay for halftime even though my reserved spot is about 5 minutes walking away, and usually stay to the end.

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Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

College Football Dave Doeren

105 Responses to Are NC State fans bad fans? [UPDATE]

  1. wufpup76 09/03/2013 at 6:48 PM #

    I enjoyed the article 🙂

    I don’t necessarily have a problem with what Coach D said, but Jiga raised very fair points.

  2. TheCOWDOG 09/03/2013 at 6:53 PM #

    Jigs. I luv ya man, but the more I think about it….

    You’re a race baiting opinionator; Aren’cha?

    Bad fans. That’ll always gettum goin’.

    Now, think about setting the forum straight, so’s we can get the whole family back together. again.

  3. Wufpacker 09/03/2013 at 6:53 PM #

    ^^ I do believe we have a voice of reason in our midst.

    ‘pup, how dare you try to bring order and civility into a discussion that was going fabulously until your arrival.

    Have I popped my corn for nothing?

    EDIT – ‘DOG!!!! Here to save things. My Man!!!!!
    I will now resume my hot buttered nourishment.

  4. bill-1956 09/03/2013 at 7:00 PM #

    It was hot – that’s for sure.

    However, the four of us were in our seats for kick off – and still there at the end of the game.

    I’ve always stayed, win or lose, and sang the Alma Mater after the games end. BTW – what was with so many players headed into the tunnel after the game before the Alma Mater?

    I can understand some leaving due to the conditions, especially those with kids.

    But – I agree with Coach D.

    The kids on the field need us there – especially during the long haul of the the 3rd and 4th quarters.

    They make the effort and commitment to practice and play the whole game. I can commit to being there for the whole game.

  5. BJD95 09/03/2013 at 7:02 PM #

    You can buy stuff on craigslist weeks in advance. And since you always know SOMETHING will be available, you can certainly plan around it.

    That said, your idea about charging a premium for minipacks with better games is interesting. Might be worth taking to the Wolfpack Club. If they can be convinced of getting more revenue that way as opposed to incentivizing people to buy season tickets (ie, more tickets than they really want) then sure they would do it.

  6. TLeo 09/03/2013 at 7:19 PM #

    Sure didn’t take long for the fans to find something to bitch about and go after the coach. Don’t be so thin skinned folks. I think folks are blowing his statement into something more than it was.
    As for calling La. Tech a cupcake, if not for a couple timely fumbles this game would have been much closer and then folks would be bitching about not rolling all over them. They have a really good back and I think will have a good season.

  7. bill.onthebeach 09/03/2013 at 7:21 PM #

    … may I join the gray….I mean fray…. ???

    When Coach Cutcliffe arrived over in Durham a couple years ago….

    He promptly, publicly, and in no uncertain terms, proclaimed to all the Dookies… that he was took their job for one purpose.

    “….To change the *culture* of Duke Football.”

    More than few Dookies were taken aback, and responded that they had never heard the words Duke and football mentioned in the same sentence, much less in a positive way.

    Some old timers who had the few season tickets sold over at Wallace Wade were miffed at the new Coach’s apparent inclusion of them in his pronoucement
    and his obvious, at least to those old-timers, lack of knowledge of the tradition of Duke football.

    (To the old timers… tradition and culture were synonymous).

    After beating the Holes last season…. those same old timers were quoting Coach’s pronouncement with a large smile.

    —————–

    To put all this another way…it’s any Coach’s job to get his “people” to do the things they need to do to be successful, to do the things they didn’t know they could do. Exactly what that may be varies from person to person, obviously.

    For that reason alone, Coaches can find something wrong with anything, including a National Championship.

    Sometimes they talk too fast in a crowd and some people think they are talking to them when they really are only talking to “some of the people in the crowd”.

    —————–

    I like Coach DD and everything I have seen or heard about him and his staff.
    I like the way our players are playing and the way they are smiling when they are not playing.
    I like not yelling at the TV with explicative filled rants directed at our coaches.

    If you don’t like Coach DD…. do the rest of a favor and please hold your thoughts until the end of the season.

    I think you might change your mind.

  8. tjfoose1 09/03/2013 at 7:40 PM #

    “…lets see what kind of coach you really are without inheriting an 11-3 team and NFL caliber Jordan Lynch to mop up in the MAC.”

    I think that’s what we are seeing, including the comments at issue. DD, by all accounts, attends to every detail, wants to win the day, every day. That’s reflectively of what we are seeing on the field. Crisp execution and limited mistakes.

    Proactively addressing the crowd in the stands is part of it. We don’t want a reactionary coach, we want a proactive one.

    I think he should’ve waited a game or two more to see if it were a pattern, but I understand from where he’s coming. I don’t necessarily agree, but I understand. It’s still early, he doesn’t quite “get us” yet.

    Fan support, butts in the seat, they matter. Not just to recruits who might be in the stands, but to the boys on the field.

    I can understand the sensitivity, going back to the repeated disparaging comments made by our former AD, and I too was slightly tweaked by the comments, for about all of 5 to 10 seconds.

    Wolfpack fans should all have thicker skin anyway.

    “Sure didn’t take long for the fans to find something to bitch about and go after the coach. ”

    Yep. Maybe this just means we are all just settling in and getting comfortable.

    Damn, gotta love Yow. She knew instantly coach had kinda stepped in it a bit with this crowd, and she jumped right in to diffuse it. Another nice move by Yow.

  9. BassPacker 09/03/2013 at 7:42 PM #

    I don’t think I’m thin skinned but took offense at Coach D calling fanbase out publicly with team loyality over tailgating. So much I emailed DY on the matter. Ift had been game three or under different weather conditions, maybe I brush it off. But when a NEW coach in his FIRST home game does it under some of the hottest weather I’ve sit in the stands, then its poor judgment on his part.

    We are not just occasional game attendees having bought LTR seats, member of the Wolfpack Club for
    almost 20 yrs. I also understand all games cannot be scheduled for TV at night and its gonna be hot in late summer. I have never left early but considered Sat.

    We sit on the east side facing the sun and don’t think ever felt conditions quite that bad for a game. We have attended almost every home game since 2000. I have never seen as many people suffering heat related symptoms as did Saturday. Even our sectional usher nearly passed out until he went under stands to rest. I’m no spring chicken but in our group are young and it was hard to bear for all. We spend all of halftime and start of 3rd qrter under the stands in the shade to keep from having heat issues. I cannot blame some who did go outside under the conditions. It was that bad. We did fill our seats till the end of game.

    Perhaps things could be done to help people be able to tolerate the conditions. Perhaps Coach D could be part of the solution instead on pointing fingers at fanbase. Its hard to stay hydrated when it cost $5.00 just for a bottle of water, specially for a family of 4. We got 2 bottles of water apiece during game, that’s $50 just for water and ice. The concessions have to make money but its appalling to pay $2.50 extra for a 10 oz cup of ice. Its expensive enough with parking, tickets, WPC donations so if some left because of the heat, so be it. Coach should kept quiet under the circumstances….period ! There was people waiting in line just to get to the bathroom sinks for water. And one side of the bathroom was closed.

    Maybe Coach Doeren should set up free water coolers and mist for the fans instead of calling out our loyalty. Maybe Coach should have stepped back under the extreme heat conditions and being his FIRST real game day experience before speaking public about our fanbase.

    It would made a better impression if Coach Doeren had ask publicly what HE can do to help keep us in the stands under those brutal conditions instead of criticizing those who needed relief from the heat by halftime to the point didn’t return. Not everyone left to get a beer.

  10. tractor57 09/03/2013 at 7:52 PM #

    Probably not the most artful comment given the opposition, the conditions (including the imported sound) but I can see where coach is coming from. In the past I had season tickets in that sun facing east stand and more than once considered leaving an early season game against a directional school with a 1:30 kick. As I was driving 4 hours each way for those games I did not leave but if I had lived in North Raleigh I would have been a gone ass.

    At this point I have no issue with coach and am looking forward to more games but I also no longer fill a seat in the stadium.

  11. tjfoose1 09/03/2013 at 7:55 PM #

    “But when a NEW coach in his first home game does it under some of the hottest weather I’ve sit in the stands, then its poor judgment on his part.”

    I agree, but I think we need to all remember he is exactly that, our NEW coach. He didn’t know better. He doesn’t get us yet.

    For that, I think, he can easily be forgiven. He doesn’t yet understand what he has here. No coach has, when first arriving on campus. Not in my lifetime of following the ‘Pack, anyway, going all the way back to Valvano.

    Most recently, I remember both TOB and Kelly Harper making comments around year 2 about how they were surprised by the passion and loyalty of the fan base, that they had no idea what they were walking into in that regard.

    DD’s assuming we are the normal, everyday fan base. He see’s his comments as doing his due diligence and being proactive, heading off a problem before it becomes a bigger issue. Addressing it as soon as it is encountered vs sitting back and doing nothing.

    I don’t think we are used to that. To me, it’s worth a few bumps during the “getting to know ya” period.

    Won’t be long before DD looks back at this and laughs at himself. It’ll probably be a running joke for years to come about how he stepped in it after his very first game.

  12. tookandsaid 09/03/2013 at 7:55 PM #

    Wufpacker – not sure what you meant by “true fan gauntlet” throw down
    I’m not trying to insight rage here against those that bail on some games

    I am just stating the facts – being that – some high caliber – high rated – multiple offer – recruits are showing up to these games

    With YouTube, Facebook, and Twatter (yes that last one was a joke – hopefully not to out of line) most of these kids want to be – and expect to be – famous

    Just look at what happened to Brett Williams – he wasn’t expecting it – but look what happens
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xiqjbrX9DE

    Surely you have seen it – but look at the hits – over 4.5 million

    They can’t do that so much if the stands are empty – it can happen – its all recorded – but – surely they want the instant roar – and gratification of a fully packed stadium

    So do this school a favor (everyone) – show up – and stay in the seats

    If we can all do that – the recruiting will pick up

    With our stadium and facilities – all Doeren needs to do is throw in an awesome – hell raising fanbase – and these kids will be sold

    🙂

  13. BJD95 09/03/2013 at 7:58 PM #

    He could have also accomplished the same thing he wanted – just by acknowledging the heat and thanking everybody extra for making it through the 4th quarter. Talk about how much that means to the players, yada yada (though it really doesn’t).

    We have become a nation of schoolmarm-ish scolds and I don’t like it.

    But overall, I love DD and think he’s doing a great job. What he said was tone deaf at minimum, which is why DY responded as she did.

    The bottom line is…NC State fans have been outstanding, especially relevant to payoff. We have given a lot and gotten very little in return. Catch more flies with honey…

  14. TheCOWDOG 09/03/2013 at 7:58 PM #

    No shit, Beach Bum Bill …I’m tired of just beating around the bush sometimes to provoke a thought.

    I am weary of thin skinners that don’t catch the point.

    I am embarrassed as much by the empties as I am the shitty schedules. Period.

    And it does piss me off that a statement, very meager, by the way, with down the road implications for positive inroads, actually reported by the mainstream rather innocuously; gets set on its ear. by none other than us.

    That’s the internet…That’s the internet. Obviously, you see my ass on the boat, so go internet, but for fuxsakes…how can one appear slighted by a coach merely saying,

    “Hey…we’ll need ya.” He ain’t selling tickets, and he isn’t castigating. He said we need ya.

    Now, if peeps over adrenaline like they did for an opener, or choose not to follow shitty football …fine, don’t go, don’t follow.

    But to bitch about a play appeal to a skipper that so far, from the day he signed, raised the bar is ridiculous, and can be easily construed as milktoast fans. If you don’t like the matchup, or the weather, give the damn tickets away.

  15. tjfoose1 09/03/2013 at 8:00 PM #

    The said.. fix the damn sound issues, and stop the open thievery with the price of freakn water and ice.

  16. BJD95 09/03/2013 at 8:01 PM #

    Foose – that’s a very good point, and I agree he will likely get to know us better and not make it a hobby horse like TOB did. It is also very easy to forgive. He’s new, shite happens.

  17. Alpha Wolf 09/03/2013 at 8:03 PM #

    We have become a nation of schoolmarm-ish scolds and I don’t like it.

    We’ve also become a nation of thin-skinned hypersensitives who can’t take the least bit of criticism in stride.

    It’s as though it is politically incorrect to say that NC State’s fans could do something better, because the blowback over this is wayyyyy out of proportion IMO.

    I had no problem with people leaving early, and I have no problem with the coach asking fans to stay. What else should he have said? People get upset when coaches speak in vagaries, and then people get upset when they speak their mind.

    FWIW, I sat through the whole game, but only because I was well hydrated and not well-lubricated. I knew better than to drink anything pregame because alcohol is a vasoconstrictor. Your mileage may vary, and that’s fine.

  18. tjfoose1 09/03/2013 at 8:05 PM #

    “What he said was tone deaf at minimum, which is why DY responded as she did.”

    Bingo. That’s really all that needs said.

    Damn I love our AD. Thank you Mr. Woodson. I bet Deb and Dave have already had a nice little discussion on this. Probably something not covered in the standard welcoming/orientation process.

    Ole Dave still won’t get it though, not for a while. He’ll just have to take the word of his boss for now.

  19. BJD95 09/03/2013 at 8:05 PM #

    I also wonder how many people would gladly fill their existing plastic cup with ice (then can head to water fountain to fill up, assuming we didn’t have those removed) for $1? You still sell the first overpriced water. Nice balance maybe.

  20. tjfoose1 09/03/2013 at 8:08 PM #

    “We’ve also become a nation of thin-skinned hypersensitives who can’t take the least bit of criticism in stride.”

    I’m offended by your remark! You’re a lawyer right? Who can I sue?

  21. tookandsaid 09/03/2013 at 8:10 PM #

    That’s a good last statement alpha wolf

  22. BJD95 09/03/2013 at 8:14 PM #

    I have three kids, I’m criticized ALL the freaking time. Maybe I’m oversensitive from that LMAO.

  23. TLeo 09/03/2013 at 8:19 PM #

    “We’ve also become a nation of thin-skinned hypersensitives who can’t take the least bit of criticism in stride.

    It’s as though it is politically incorrect to say that NC State’s fans could do something better, because the blowback over this is wayyyyy out of proportion IMO”

    Absolutely right! We have become a group who looks for things to be offended by or to complain about and take something minor and blow it way out of proportion. Just look at the carrying on at the other board…..19 pages of whining and bitching.

  24. Wufpacker 09/03/2013 at 8:29 PM #

    @tookandsaid,
    Please take no offense to my quoting you there as my reference wasn’t directed at you personally, as your overall comment was anything but out of line, as much as the history I’ve come to know and love of how things often go when someone uses those two words in succession.

    It is often those who feel besmirched who ratchet up the carnage at that point as often as not.

    I was merely making what I had hoped would be a humorous reference, which admittedly I might have missed the mark on, which I know some of my long-time compatriots around these parts would appreciate.

    Or at least I hope so….at this point I think I might have clogged the arteries to my gray matter with cholesterol overload from all of the butter on my popcorn. Probably little discernible difference anyway.

  25. choppack1 09/03/2013 at 8:57 PM #

    A couple things going on here…

    1. The negative impact of the halftime pass out policy. As long as this policy exists, there will be a negative impact on stadium capacity. This impact is increased when a game’s outcome isn’t in doubt and/or weather is not ideal. We had both of those factors Saturday.

    2. Dd is right… the early departures do not reflect well on the fanbase. It is just a reality folks…it impacts recruiting negatively and has already made a negative impact on our coach. Fair or not, his remarks are accurate when it comes to impressions. It is said you never get a second chance at a first impression… don’t think for A second that he won’t remember this if he builds a successful program.

    3. Contrary to popular belief, we are not incredible fans. We are good fans, not great. I think we are above average, especially given our tradition and lack of success. We leave early and arrive late after halftime regardless of opponent or conditions.

    4. Being a fan is a thankless job. All too often we are called out for our shortcomings when they pale in comparison to the players, coaches and officials. All too often the efforts we make to attend the games aren’t appreciated… only because our competition is even more rabid. We don’t deserve to be called out, but neither do college players, yet it happens every day on message boards.

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