Football! Doeren & personnel moves

In just one week from right now we will be discussing the results from Dave Doeren‘s debut as NC State’s fifth Head Football Coach of the last thirty years. Let’s all hope that his debut goes better than Tom O’Brien’s. Who can forget the night Central Florida defeated NC State in Carter-Finley (25-23) when Knights running back, Kevin Smith, rushed for a career high 217 yards including a school record 80-yard touchdown run on the first play from scrimmage (and the first play of the O’Brien era. For a walk down memory lane you can Click here for SFN’s entry on September 1st, 2007

The calendar doesn’t say 2007; it says 2013. This means it is Dave Doeren’s time, not Tom O’Brien’s. But, the overhang of O’Brien’s lack of recruiting is impossible to ignore – just this week ESPN.com ranked the Top 25 players in the Atlantic Coast Conference without mentioning one single NC State player. Since my personal memory of NC State football begins around 1977, I honestly cannot remember a year when we wouldn’t have placed at least ONE player in any Top 20 list, let along Top 25 list. With that, the N&O has a nice feature on Doeren that is worth a look.

When it comes to building a winning football program, there is no detail small enough for Dave Doeren.

Doeren was hired nine months ago to elevate N.C. State’s program into a perennial top 25 candidate and an ACC championship contender. To get there, the 41-year-old Kansan believes you have to “win the day.”

Those daily wins, however small, add up to real wins on the field. That’s how Doeren did it at Northern Illinois, where he won 23 games and a pair of conference titles in his first two seasons as a head coach.

That’s how Doeren will approach his job with the Wolfpack, which is coming off a disappointing 7-6 finish in 2012, which cost former coach Tom O’Brien his job.

With the season opener six days away, Doeren has been busy collecting wins where he can. There has been noticeable progress on the recruiting trail, where the current class ranks in the top 25 nationally, but also progress with the players he inherited.

“He wants us to buy in,” senior linebacker D.J. Green said. “I feel like, more and more people are starting to buy in.”

You “win the day” by controlling what you can, and by putting in the hard work. A program prone to wild swings and inconsistencies the past three seasons could benefit from a straightforward, micro-focused approach.

Before the first snap Saturday against Louisiana Tech, the players already are starting to see the results of Doeren’s measured approach.

“Hands on” is how Doeren likes to describe it.

“We are all over our guys in every way in their lives,” Doeren said.

“Involved” is the word senior receiver Bryan Underwood uses.

“There’s not a day that goes by where he’s not talking to us,” Underwood said. “He’s like a second father.”

Thank God he didn’t say “daytight compartment.”

Within the program, there are some personnel developments worth discussing:

(1) Although most expect Brandon Mitchell to start at quarterback, Pete Thomas (whomever is the backup) will play as both QBs play hard and are talented.

(2) Offensive line will absolutely be boosted by the addition of the two JUCO transfers – Schooley and Kassem. But, make no mistake that we are thin on the OLine and any injuries will bring with it quite a negative impact.

(3) I think most people feel real good about the running back group as Tony Creecy has changed his body and Matt Dayes is proving in practice to be as good as people were hoping. Shadrach Thornton won’t be available for the first game, but having a stable of those three backs will be great for the pace we play on offense.

(4) Back-up defensive tackle, K’Hadree Hooker has left the NC State program and transfer to – of all places – East Carolina. Hooker was a redshirt freshman after enrolling (with decent fanfare) at NC State in 2012. He had become a Wolfpack fan favorite without ever playing because of his strong promotion of all things NC State through his Twitter account. Coach Doeren confirmed the transfer and confirmed that it was because Hooker wants more playing time earlier than what he can get in Raleigh. Good God, he’s a friggin FRESHMAN!?! I hope the ‘AAC’ treats K’Hadree well.

Coach Doeren appeared to have handled the transfer exceptionally well. His comments were very gracious and stated there that was nothing negative at all about the situation. He also told the story of how he called around and helped Hooker find a home in Greenville. (Dave obviously still has a little to learn about the composition of the current market) Doeren says he doesn’t have any issues helping Hooker transfer to East Carolina because the Pirates won’t be on our schedule over the time frame that he will be in school. What he is failing to recognize is that we still have to recruit against ECU with most kids down east; so, the better ECU actually is on the field then the more they have to sell to kids and the more potential impact they have on our recruiting.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not the end of the world. But, personally, I’d rather see Hooker at App State or Richmond or Georgia Southern if he isn’t good enough to play in the ACC.

NC State now has seven scholarship defensive tackles on the roster this year along with three commitments from pretty highly recruited studs who can play the position in our current recruiting class.

(5) On the opposite end of the spectrum from Hooker, you have a kid like Bryant Shirreffs who chose NOT to run away from a challenge, but instead honor his commitment to the University and is changing positions to in an effort to potentially be able to play earlier. Shirreffs was recruited to play quarterback at State, but 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds he is currently contributing at fullback. Coach Doeren also made reference that he has the attributes to potentially play linebacker in the future. This leaves the Wolfpack with four scholarship quarterbacks on the roster this year: Pete Thomas (jr), senior Brandon Mitchell (Sr), junior Jacoby Brissett (sitting out due to transfer rules), and Manny Stocker (So).

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29 Responses to Football! Doeren & personnel moves

  1. cWOhLFrPAiCKs 08/25/2013 at 9:25 AM #

    I was surprised to see K’Hardee go, but I understand the desire to play as soon as possible. Seems like he would have still had a chance to contribute this year, but likely felt that his time would continue to diminish as the more highly-touted recruits start showing up on campus.

    Really excited for the start of football season and can’t wait to see what the offense and defense look like.

    On another note, a co-worker of mine attended a couple of the football camps with the NC State coaching staff with his nephew and said he was really impressed with the entire staff and the way the taught the young guys during camps. I think that goes a long way in terms of recruiting, when you can leave a solid impression not only on the kids, but on the adults that see it as well. I think this staff has what it takes, let hopes they can show it on the field as well!

    GO PACK!

  2. BJD95 08/25/2013 at 2:15 PM #

    I would never release a kid to the Pie-rats as long as we are still being forced to play those riotous assholes.

  3. TheCOWDOG 08/25/2013 at 3:35 PM #

    Just a coupl’a comments.

    1) It ain’t Donte Johnson’s fault, nor O’Brien’s, that he wasn’t amongst those “25”…for he certainly is, hands down, one of the best D side ballplayers on this here coast.

    2) Stating that Doeren is unaware of ECU’s recruiting base, and or, lack of State fan sensitiveties knowledge, is pure hogwash.

    Frankly, Scarlet …Doeren don’t give a damn.

  4. islandbreeze 08/25/2013 at 4:49 PM #

    I’m giddy with excitement for the new staff.

  5. Prowling Woofie 08/25/2013 at 4:49 PM #

    I would hope that we are not competing with the Pierats for players on the recruiting trail in the near future…

  6. choppack1 08/25/2013 at 6:17 PM #

    Looking forward to Saturday. Not sure if I will be able to go to game or not. (May have to work.)

  7. 13OT 08/25/2013 at 8:41 PM #

    To me, the real WTF game in 2007 wasn’t the debut game for TOB but rather the home and season finale vs Maryland- a 37-0 shelling.

    The red flag isn’t always how poorly you start but rather how poorly you finish.

    And that blown FG by the Maryland kicker in last year’s 20-18 escape at College Park was yet another WTF game under TOB, but thankfully his last at NCSU.

    I think we’re going to have a really good season this year!

  8. 13OT 08/25/2013 at 8:44 PM #

    I meant to say that the 20-18 win was TOB’s final season.

    Ironically, his last win here at NCSU was against BC, the team he couldn’t beat on the road.

  9. john of sparta 08/25/2013 at 10:15 PM #

    ok.
    scoreboard.
    what will be this year’s WTF game?
    you know there will be one. and we’ll
    be wondering: how did we lose this one?
    on the bright side: a WTF win will happen, too.
    pick a WTF win and an WTF loss. your opinions await.

  10. packalum44 08/25/2013 at 10:17 PM #

    Hope is not a strategy, but it forever springs eternal. God I already hate myself for caring again I’m pretty sure I swore off State football years ago.

  11. Fastback68 08/26/2013 at 7:50 AM #

    Hey PA44, don’t be trying to walk off with my internal, State introduction song which I would never recommend by the way. JJ”S, I hate myself for loving you. Past administrations and their coaching hires “took my pride away.” DY, DD, Woodson, Avent and Gott are bringing it back.

  12. mak4dpak 08/26/2013 at 9:53 AM #

    Are WTF lost games required? I say lets pass on that one. Go Pack!

  13. wolffpride 08/26/2013 at 9:54 AM #

    WTF loss = Duke. WTF win = Clemson.

  14. DC_wolf 08/26/2013 at 10:11 AM #

    Finally! Kickoff less than a week away. Thanks to the good folks here @ SFN we have a pretty good idea of the makeup of the Wolfpack team about to take the field, the current coaching and system being implemented.

    But what about the team we’re about to tee it up against? I’m intrigued by this program that has some football history of its own; came within a few points of beating the only team to beat Alabama last year & may be 1 of the few (if not only) teams undergoing more of a rebuild than the Pack.

    A quick scan of the web found a couple of stories to give those interested a current pulse of this week’s opponent. The 1st story talks about new coach Skip Holtz shaking things up a bit; emphasizing defense and looking to run the ball more:

    http://louisianatech.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1537746

    This one references the fact that 31 seniors have departed since last season but that 3 (possibly 4) 6th-yr seniors could see playing time; also some interesting discussion of incoming transfers:

    http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20130824/SPORTS/308240013/1006/rss02

    Both teams have lots of question marks, new faces in decision-making positions & new leaders needing to step up on both sides of the ball. 1 obvious & possibly game-changing advantage for the Pack is playing, as some of the ol’ timers still call it, @ “The Carter” – but for the Bulldogs it may as well be the Wolves’ Den. My guts tell me the home field bump will be enough.

  15. mak4dpak 08/26/2013 at 11:14 AM #

    Now I read where Gibson,the Grays Creek commit in Fayetteville has backed off his commitment, and trying to decide again.

  16. JohnGalt78 08/26/2013 at 12:00 PM #

    It will be hard to top last year’s UVA game for WTFness. It was not so much that we lost, but that we did not even show up, did not care, did not try, did not care that we did not try. I usually can forget most of our crap games but this one will remain with me forever as the biggest WTF game (not WTF loss) ever. I signed off on TOB that day. I had been hanging on until then. I really don’t think we can F up that bad this year. Here’s hoping for a couple WTF wins!

  17. WolftownVA81 08/26/2013 at 12:18 PM #

    From DC_Wolf’s Link:

    1. SLOWING IT DOWN: Dykes’ hyper-speed, no-huddle offense was fun to watch, but Holtz believes it adversely affected Louisiana Tech’s defense, which gave up 38.5 points per game and allowed more than 600 yards in end-of-the-season losses to Utah State and San Jose State. He will use the hurry-up at times and a conventional approach at others. “We have to protect the defense,” he said. “There are a lot of advantages to running the up-tempo offense, but it puts a lot of stress on the defense. It’s not about how many points we can score. It’s about outscoring the opponent.”

    Hopefully this part of Skip’s strategy will be good for our defense.

  18. Texpack 08/26/2013 at 12:22 PM #

    Alas I was in Carter-Finley for the coaching debut of two Wolfpack Head Coaches……..Monte Kiffin & Tom Reed. Here’s hoping Coach Doeren will be more successful than either of those two were.

  19. mak4dpak 08/26/2013 at 1:24 PM #

    And now my Dallas Cowboys are enjoying Monte Kiffin. Guess he is a better assistant, huh? And though I was younger I remember those days, and riding out like the lone ranger on a white horse. Funny stuff!

  20. VaWolf82 08/26/2013 at 1:33 PM #

    I missed the Tom Reed years, so I don’t know if State would have placed any in the Top 25 then or not.

    PS Typin on a tablet is difficult while baking at the beach. So I think it’s time for another cold one.

  21. Classof89 08/26/2013 at 1:46 PM #

    You didn’t miss much with the Tom Reed era…3-8, 3-8, 3-8, including an 0-6 record vs. UNC and Duke. Both Kiffin and Reed went winless vs. UNC.

    Kiffin’s debut in C-F was a 42-0 drubbing of William and Mary on September 6, 1980.

    Reed’s home debut was a 45-0 whitewashing of Citadel on September 17, 1983, but the poster may be remembering the fact that the win was sandwiched between dispiriting losses at ECU (22-16), and at home to Virginia, a team that we hadn’t lost to since 1971. Interestingly enough, Reed returned the favor when a now nationally ranked UVa team returned in 1985. We upset them on Homecoming, the only highlight of another lost 3-8 season.

    Sheridan’s debut was a 38-10 thrashing of ECU on September 6, 1986.

    Mike O’ Cain’s debut was a 20-7 win over Purdue September 4, 1993.

    I’m guessing most of us remember Amato’s (and Philip Rivers’) debut vs. Arkansas State in 2000 (the 38-31 thriller in the rain).

  22. MISTA WOLF 08/26/2013 at 1:53 PM #

    WTF Win = Wake Forest in Winston, mainly because I’m use to that being a lost.
    WTF Loss = Richmond

  23. TheCOWDOG 08/26/2013 at 1:57 PM #

    Heh Va, I’m wit ya. In fact, I’m going for another pull of SPF, while Beach Blondie rubs a little more Dos Equis on my back. Yee hah!!

    Pack wins. 34-34!

  24. rtpack24 08/26/2013 at 3:04 PM #

    Depth chart released and no Copeland??????

  25. DC_wolf 08/26/2013 at 4:04 PM #

    For WTF under O’Brien it’s hard to top the 37-0 season-ending loss @ home to the twerps (of all teams) but it comes in close 2nd due to it being his 1st year & by that point everyone was dispirited.

    I have to go w/ JohnGalt & the “where did that come from” of the UVa embarassment. So many OMGs from that 1: it was Homecoming, & I won’t even mention the black pants . He really left Debbie no other choice.

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