Pack Loses Thursday Off, ACC Loses Last Shred of Credibility

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In the most incompetently officiated game I have ever seen, on any level…NC State falls to the 5th seed and 11-7.

Anyone who doesn’t want to leave this bullshit joke of a conference needs their head examined.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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262 Responses to Pack Loses Thursday Off, ACC Loses Last Shred of Credibility

  1. Thinkpack17 03/09/2013 at 7:56 PM #

    “I don’t think we’ve ever had a player as fragile as Leslie.”

    Courtney Fells let a bad call at VT ruin his season.

    CJ Leslie can play and guard multiple positions. If you don’t know why NBA scouts are high on CJL you probably don’t follow the NBA too closely. A team will draft him and either he will respond or he will be the next Tyrus Thomas.

  2. WV Wolf 03/09/2013 at 7:57 PM #

    My take on Leslie, after the Dook win it seemed like it was all starting to come together. Played a great game, had a nice character moment with the guy in the wheelchair. Then when Brown went out he tried to put the team on his back (which is actually admirable) but he ended up trying too hard, it messed his game all up and he still hasn’t straightened it out.

    As I mentioned earlier in the comments and several folks have made similar comments, the consistency of the officiating is maddening. Not just in the FSU game but in general (and I understand the refs are human and are going to miss some calls). Guy gets hammered on one end gets nothing, touch foul on the other is a foul. Same play happens twice, two different calls. Obvious goaltends and travels may or may not get called. One guy knocks over another, flip a coin if it’s a block or a charge, never mind if the defender is set or not. It almost feels like the rulebook is thrown out the window and the fouls are just called at random. I don’t enjoy watching that.

  3. 61Packer 03/09/2013 at 8:01 PM #

    Today was THE textbook example of a season that can be classified only as “WTF?” What Virginia does tomorrow won’t make this season’s Wolfpack team any better or any worse. We started out as the pre-season ACC favorite with a top ten ranking, and we ended up 11-7 for the ACC campaign and hemispheres away from anyone’s national radar. Disappointing season? Hell YES!

    We’ve got one senior (Howell) who hustles and works his butt off every outing but is foul-prone and often commits dumb fouls (like he did today at mid-court to pick up his 3rd). In his defense, he seldom gets any breaks from the officials. He’d make my first team All-ACC, absolutely.

    We’ve got another senior (Wood) who is perhaps the nation’s deadliest (if not streakiest) 3 point shooter, but is generally invisible when the 3s aren’t being launched. He’d be in the hunt for 3rd team All-ACC.

    We’ve got a junior (Brown) who is probably our most talented and probably most valuable player (slightly over Howell but not by much), but perhaps the most careless as well. Nevertheless, I’d put him on the 2nd team All-ACC.

    We’ve got another junior (Leslie) who is a supremely talented athlete. However, he saves his worst for the big stage. His shot selection, free throw shooting and teamwork are dismal, plus he’s a turnover machine when the shots aren’t dropping. As much as I wouldn’t want to, I’d still have to put him as the last player on the 2nd team or first player on the 3rd team All-ACC, because his contributions at times have been significant.

    We have a red-shirt junior (Vandenberg) who is one of the league’s biggest and tallest players, but he can’t dunk, can’t shoot, and generally can’t contribute more than minutes for our foul-prone bigs.

    We’ve got 3 freshmen (Tyler Lewis, Purvis and Warren) who at times play like juniors, and at other times like freshmen. Lewis has shown the most promise. Purvis has been really good at times and equally as bad at other times. Warren has been the most productive of this class. He’s easily first team All-ACC Freshmen, and maybe 3rd team All-ACC.

    We’ve got no bench, figuratively and literally.

    Our coaches didn’t do their best job today when they left the “Vandenberg team” on the floor too long, but overall, I’m satisfied that they’ve done about all they can do with this bunch. I welcome them back next year along with the freshmen. I wish Howell and Wood some well-deserved basketball success after this season and thank them for sticking with the program. I have no ill will toward Brown and Leslie; I simply want them out of this program when this season is mercifully over, because I don’t think their first priority is the program but rather the individual. I honestly believe we’ll be better off in the long run without those two or any others like them.

    In fairness to this team, they have LOTS of company in the WTF Department this season. There’s still a lot of basketball to be played and I do think the Wolfpack will play at least 3, maybe 4 more games. I don’t, however, see an ACC title regardless of whether we play on Thursday or Friday, and I certainly don’t see a deep NCAAT run.

    This team, unless it has a complete metamorphosis, isn’t going anywhere this post-season, and by now, most of us have become painfully aware of that.

  4. john of sparta 03/09/2013 at 8:02 PM #

    Cow and Adven have the right idea.
    this party’s over…time to start your own.
    Sangrita sounds like what she said.

  5. john of sparta 03/09/2013 at 8:05 PM #

    oh…Devon had a career high.
    just for our stat purposes.

  6. Wulfpack 03/09/2013 at 8:10 PM #

    Think, I watch a bunch of NBA ball. Tyrus Thomas is 6-10 and 225lbs. He was the 4th overall pick. Leslie, from what I understand, has slipped from a potential lottery pick to a high first round/low second round selection. His stock has dipped considerably this season. He is also a stick, and will have to put on a bunch of weight to hang in the pros. And the guy can’t shoot it, at least not right now. Can’t create his own shot from the perimeter. He has a long way to go. And did I mention he needs to work on his FT shooting???

  7. Tuffy2 03/09/2013 at 8:12 PM #

    Just happen to see this on an Alabama site like SFN and the irony of the description on the issues they encountered back in 2007. I know many teams have similar problems like us but it is ironic that 2 MG teams have just about the exact same issues.

    The following was posted in January 2007

    Team played with no heart.

    Our basketball program is arguably as good as it’s ever been. We sign highly talented basketball players Considering that Alabama is a big-time football school, this is pretty impressive. Gottfried is one heck of a recruiter, he graduates his players, and he seems like a pretty decent all-around guy.

    All of that being said, I agree that he leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to pure Xs and Os basketball coaching. Gottfried apparently pays very little attention to the defensive end of the floor and sound fundamentals. Like others have pointed out, watching some of Gottfried’s teams play is like watching streetball with no discipline. A lot of our success comes from the pure talent and athleticism of our players. We regularly see poor ball movement, dangerous passes, ball-handling struggles, poor shot selection and general laziness on the defensive end of the floor. And for whatever reason, we just do not seem to defend the perimeter.

    You ask any knowledgeable coach and he will tell you that CMG is terrible X and O coach and managing the flow of the game. The only time he had real coaching and toughness displayed in the team was when TR Dunn was on the bench. CMG is a recruiter and graduates his players and thats it.
    ================================================

    Whether you agree or not we here at State have seen many of these same issues. I think our TR Dunn is Bobby Lutz.

    I hope this does not happen here and MG learned some bench/game coaching techniques while he spent time with ESPN observing games all over the country. As the years come and go we will know for sure where we are headed with MG. Yes, he is the best coach we have had since V as there is no denying that.

  8. Pack1997 03/09/2013 at 8:13 PM #

    I thought if UMD beat UVA tomorrow afternoon we would still be 4th is that not correct?

  9. Rick 03/09/2013 at 8:14 PM #

    “Ply…I can’t believe you got Rick off the roof”

    I am pretty much sick of your obsession with me.
    If you have something to say say it and quit stalking me.

  10. MARinRVA 03/09/2013 at 8:18 PM #

    I don’t know if 150 comments in I have anything new to add, but what the heck…

    The officiating was bad. Very inconsistent. I agree with BJD that there’s no adjusting to that.

    But what you can do is do the little things well. Hit free throws. Box out at the free throw line. We failed to do the little things well, and that’s why we lost. The refs didn’t cost us this game.

    In fact, the worst call by far was taking that made FSU FT off the board in the last minute. What if the kid misses the next attempt, and State wins by one? FSU would be screaming that they’d been robbed, and you know what? They’d be right!

    CJL is the leader of this team, by which I mean that our fortunes rise and fall with him. It seems like when his head’s not in the game it drains the whole team. There seems to be more to it than simply missing his points. He’s the emotional center of the team, which isn’t good given his temperament.

    I can’t see him as a first round draft pick, unless like Doris said, this year’s draft is exceptionally weak. He can’t shoot free throws. His foot work is suspect. He will not be able to hook LeBron or Bosh and drive to the hole. So I think that he’ll be back next year.

    College athletics is mainly about teaching life skills, since only a few (or one) win championships. If it is our destiny in the next two years that CJL learns discipline and maturity the hard way, it’ll be very hard on us as fans, but if he does learn those lessons it’ll be good for him and the universe.

    Lastly, I don’t get the Gott hate. I looked at his resume when we hired him and said, Well, we’ll at least be back to where we were with HWSNBN, and maybe that won’t be the ceiling. We’re already beyond that, and the season’s not over yet. Wait for the 2014 season to be over, better yet, the 2016 season. Then we’ll know.

  11. Manu Ginobili 03/09/2013 at 8:19 PM #

    Not to polish this turd of a game (season), but if UVA loses tomorrow, we get the 4th seed.

    In other words, “So you say there is a chance”.

  12. redcanine 03/09/2013 at 8:19 PM #

    The Wolfpack was the second best team on the court today. Too bad the last few minutes are just as, or more, important than the first.

  13. bill.onthebeach 03/09/2013 at 8:20 PM #

    OK !! well the Big Green Egg knows what to do…. and it’s a couple of cold ones later…..

    “We ain’t Israel and Moses ain’t our coach and he sure doesn’t have Jesus, John The Baptist and Luke, Paul and John on the court with Mark waiting on the bench to give the Baptist a breather. ”

    That’s right… and as I posted on last season’s FB thread… ” and if we were…” some of you guys would still complain….

    ———————–

    RE: Team Chemistry….

    What couldn’t be said….

    Yes … it is a problem…..

    … when you (players and coaches) don’t know who you can “count” on…at crunch time……

    ….when guys “disappear” when things don’t go their way…

    and…..
    …..when you have a starter that misses more than a few practices and still starts….

    Coach’s job has GOTT to harder than any of us can imagine….

  14. Alpha Wolf 03/09/2013 at 8:21 PM #

    Dunn is working at Minnesota in the NBA. Wonder if that gig falls out if he would come back to work for Gott…

  15. mak4dpak 03/09/2013 at 8:29 PM #

    Fire Gott and bring Lowe back, WTF! There are many factors that cost us this game, but for me the main one is the main player sitting on the bench most of the game, instead of in the game scoring. Thanks Leslie (Loser). Wake up for the tourney please, I will be there to watch. And it wasn’t free, so please make it worth my while. We can beat any team in the ACC, if we show up as a team, and play that way for 40 minutes, or at least 35.

  16. Thinkpack17 03/09/2013 at 8:29 PM #

    “Think, I watch a bunch of NBA ball. Tyrus Thomas is 6-10 and 225lbs.”

    TT was not 6-10 225 when he entered the league, also you are taking my comparison much to literally. TT was drafted because he can guard multiple positions, he is a quick jumper, runs the floor like a deer and was a great weak side shot blocker.

    He was also regarded as having no jump shot, a very limited offensive game and being moody and generally uncoachable.

    Sound familiar?

    After a few seasons in Chicago he was more TT than Tyrus, was denied a long term contract and shipped where dreams go to die.

  17. Wulfpack 03/09/2013 at 8:31 PM #

    Yep. Gotcha.

  18. youchuck 03/09/2013 at 8:39 PM #

    I am not going to defend the officiating. It’s was bad as it is in all of college basketball. It’s sad but the NBA is now more watchable than college basketball. Back to the game today. As bad as officials were, did the officials make Richard Howell blow a sure dunk by bouncing the ball off of his foot? Did the officials cause NCSU to shoot an unimpressive 21-33 from the foul line? Did the officials require state to surrender so many second chance points? The answer to the above is no. This team is just not clutch when it needs to be. I understand this is Gottfried’s second year, and I still think the best is yet to come. However, I cannot understand how guys who are allegedly great players make dumb play, after dumb play after dumb play. The truth is if NCSU could shoot free throws we most likely win at Wake, at Maryland, at Virginia and at home against Miami. Remember against the Hurricanes inside a minute to play how Leslie missed a FT with a 3 point lead, then made the “smart” play of fouling right after ? One can only hope that CJ Leslie declares for the draft so he can be selected late in the second round. If he plays another season, we will see more stupidity and he may not even get drafted at all. Is it football season yet?

  19. freshmanin83 03/09/2013 at 8:40 PM #

    MrPlywood
    03/09/2013 at 6:41 PM #

    “…

    I think it’s disingenuous to say the answer is “you have to adjust to it” – how is that possible when their standards of a foul changes from minute to minute?

    That said, I do think you can control how you react to the situation, i.e. not getting technicals, and taking advantage when the calls do go your way, i.e. hitting free throws (CJ and Howell), and playing smart, i.e. avoiding dumb fouls and turnovers.”

    … ”

    I am not sure if I agree with your assessment that the refs standards were changing every minute.

    For the most part I thought they were calling it tight away from the basket but not underneath as much and on rebounds.

    The reaching, holding, slapping, etc were being called on both teams fairly evenly at least imo. Therefore I don’t think it is disingenuous commenting about the players adjusting to the refs if they are calling a tight game on some things that you can avoid. But we are probably seeing that differently.

    I agree with you about taking advantage of what the refs did call. If State made FT at the same rate fsu did then we probably win the game.

  20. MARinRVA 03/09/2013 at 8:49 PM #

    Can anyone tell my why Jordan Vandenberg was switching on the screens? Or why he was playing as far out as the 3 pt. line?

  21. Wulfpack 03/09/2013 at 8:51 PM #

    His guy was screening the ball at the top of the key. You have to hedge to prevent the wide open shot. He is just not quick enough to get back once the guard recovered. FSU took advantage of that. He also has very little coordination. You can whiz the ball by his ear and the ball is in the basket before his arm comes up. Just not agile enough right now to compete at this level.

  22. JeremyH 03/09/2013 at 9:37 PM #

    Tuffy2 that’s very poisonous stuff you’re passing out.

  23. mak4dpak 03/09/2013 at 9:44 PM #

    Vandy has no skills, just a big tall player, his only asset. And here I am watching Duke hand it to Unx, and thinking what could have been. Thanks again Leslie.

  24. TheCOWDOG 03/09/2013 at 9:45 PM #

    “I am pretty much sick of your obsession with me.”

    No Ricky, you think too highly of yourself, there.

    What? It ain’t funny if I say it to ya? WTF is your problem?

    Yeah…obsess alright.

  25. Rochester 03/09/2013 at 10:05 PM #

    What we need to do to avoid another season or two like this is add some bodies. Now that Randle is out of the picture I sure hope we add at least two more recruits to this year’s class. We cannot go through another season with seven capable players. Brown’s injury sucked this year, but he was only lost for 3 games. What if someone had blown a knee? We would have been toast.

    Want to survive foul trouble? Get some players on the bench who can actually play. Wouldn’t hurt if they were actually smarter than the basketball too. (Spalding’s IQ > CJ’s IQ.) The added advantage is if someone has a crap attitude and constantly plays with his head up his arse, you can sit him down and invite him to watch for a while.

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