DAVIS AND ATTORNEYS FILE FOR TRO – Why UNC loses the 216 battle

UPDATE: Lawyers for Butch Davis have filed an eleventh hour requesting the Court to quash the subpoena or in the alternative to issue a TRO ordering the media to NOT release the contents of any phone records that are deemed public record. Doesn’t that fly in the face of the very essence of “public record?”

Further, this seems to show Butch’s attorneys’ rightful belief that they should lose and that the records are indeed public records, at least to the extent of phone calls made as to his state’s business as a state employee. Therefore, any phone calls made on that personal cell phone about coaching football at UNC, whether proper or improper in nature, are legitimate public records.

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Erin Summers appropriately tweeted the following after learning of the newly filed document which clears up some previous questions about the 216 phone records:

@ErinESummers

UNC outside legal counsel Richard Evrard only person to see Davis’ 216 records & it was in front of Davis & his wife, never seen by UNC/NCAA

The document argues that the records are not public records. Specifically, “Davis contends that the media is seeking to have the information released “simply to know and publish the contents,” which the N.C. Supreme Court has previously ruled against. He further argues that the records are no longer relevant to the lawsuit.”

Davis’ position is wrong on many levels, but ultimately it’s this one that is their downfall when differentiating this situation from, for instance, the Colorado decision mentioned below. In this case the previously released records of his Assistant Head Coach are what revealed the 216 number to the public. From those records, there is direct evidence that Davis used his personal cell phone number to conduct business of his “office” or state job. The media is not on a fishing expedition as mentioned above, but rather there is obvious reason founded in fact that these phone records are public records since Davis clearly used that phone and that phone alone to make all of his phone calls.

Again, this is obviously why Davis and his attorneys are seeking the TRO to confine the use of the information that clearly should be handed over.

As others have pointed out, it couldn’t be more obvious now that these records hold terribly damaging information. Similarly, a statement was made recently about the refusal of the government to release records on a political matter. The statement essential pointed out that the damage of refusing to release the information is obviously known, so it goes to reason that the calculated risk of damage to refuse their release is also known and indeed known to be more damaging than stonewalling the release.

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A key issue in the UNC-Chapel Hill academic and athletic fraud scandal is set for new developments this week after we learned that the UNC Board of Governors’ special committee on the UNC academic fraud scandal has not even bothered to meet yet (special link).

A court ruling on the release of Butch Davis’ secret ‘216 phone’ is expected on Thursday and you can get caught up on the topic by clicking here. (By the way, Davis was in the news again yesterday and all I can ask is why does he keep speaking to the media?)

With the 216 ruling on the horizon, it was the perfect time to share the incredible work done last year by our own GAWolf. The following entry originally ran on June 30, 2011 —

If you don’t already know what we’re referring to as the “216 Battle” then you haven’t been paying enough attention in class. Detention it is for you. Essentially, in response to the media’s public information request and Judge Manning’s subsequent court order requiring UNC to comply with the same, UNC released phone records that included a school-issued cell phone that had hardly been used by Butch Davis. Instead, it appears apparent that Coach Davis was using a “personal” cell phone he acquired while still coaching or at least living in the Cleveland area. Cleveland’s area code: 216.

The Daily Tar Heel had this to say about the matter:

When the NCAA first contacted UNC on June 21, 2010, Davis didn’t make any calls from his land line, and has only used his University cellphone twice in the 35-month period the records cover, even though it costs the athletics department about $80 a month.

Here are Davis’ school-issued cell phone records released to the media supposedly in compliance with Judge Manning’s Order.

The community over at Pack Pride has scoured the phone records that were released, and put together “evidence” of what we all certainly expected might be true. In the months, or at least weeks, while Butch’s school-issued phone was locked up in a desk drawer, it appears that Butch used the 216 phone to speak with his bosses and at least some of his staff. Essentially, it’s apparent from the phone records that Davis was using the “personal” phone for state’s business.

If you’re not familiar with the 216 discussion, you can check out our forums for a discussion on the topic but it is also likely that you want to read the discussion of the folks over at Pack Pride who spent what had to be an ungodly amount of time scouring the phone records that actually did get release.

We advise that you do your own research and draw your own conclusions about what John Blake’s phone records indicate regarding the 216 number, who it belongs to, and why it was being used. Here is a link to what was allegedly released to the media as former UNC Associate Head Coach John Blake’s phone records. That would be newly determined Sports Agent John Blake’s phone records.

For argument’s sake, let’s assume the 216 number does indeed belong to Butch Davis. Let’s also assume that Butch Davis did use that phone to speak to John Blake, Dick Baddour, Holden Thorpe, football recruits, or anyone else associated with college football for the purposes of carrying out his job as Head Football Coach at UNC. Let’s also assume, for argument’s sake, that this phone was indeed paid for by Butch Davis with his personal money and he was not reimbursed for that expense by the tax payers of North Carolina. Again, this is giving some benefit of the doubt for argument’s sake.

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So let’s take a look at the statute that governs the NC “Public Information Request” law: N.C.G.S. § 132.

§ 132‑1. “Public records” defined.

(a) “Public record” or “public records” shall mean all documents, papers, letters, maps, books, photographs, films, sound recordings, magnetic or other tapes, electronic data‑processing records, artifacts, or other documentary material, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received pursuant to law or ordinance in connection with the transaction of public business by any agency of North Carolina government or its subdivisions. Agency of North Carolina government or its subdivisions shall mean and include every public office, public officer or official (State or local, elected or appointed), institution, board, commission, bureau, council, department, authority or other unit of government of the State or of any county, unit, special district or other political subdivision of government.

(b) The public records and public information compiled by the agencies of North Carolina government or its subdivisions are the property of the people. Therefore, it is the policy of this State that the people may obtain copies of their public records and public information free or at minimal cost unless otherwise specifically provided by law. As used herein, “minimal cost” shall mean the actual cost of reproducing the public record or public information. (1935, c. 265, s. 1; 1975, c. 787, s. 1; 1995, c. 388, s. 1.)

UNC-Central acknowledges in their personnel policies that personal cell phone records, if the phone is used to conduct business within the realm of the state employee’s capacity, is possibly subject to disclosure under N.C.G.S. § 132.

6.0 Mobile Communications Device Allowance (MCDA) Program
The MCD allowance program is not intended to pay the full cost of the employee’s monthly service costs with
their provider. It is intended to only cover the reasonable cost that the employee incurs while using the
device/service as part of their job duties and responsibilities. The MCDA guidelines are as follows:
a. The employee is responsible for procuring and paying for all services and equipment.
b. If the employee’s use (from previous history of having a university provided device) is estimated to be
less than 100 minutes a month, the employee may not receive a MCD allowance unless the supervisor
provides sufficient justification.
c. A state agency is only allowed to provide MCD allowances if the agency’s total cost to provide the
allowance is less expensive than providing state‐owned MCDs.
d. The monthly allowance is taxable income. Appropriate taxes will be withheld from the allowance
payment each month.
e. The employee’s personal mobile communications device records could be subject to the North Carolina
public records law (General Statute 132).

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This policy from a University of North Carolina System sister school is interesting for two reasons: 1) it acknowledges that work-related calls/texts on a personal cell phone are likely public record subject to having to be turned over pursuant to a request under this statute, and 2) according to the Daily Tar Heel, UNC enacted a similar program in early 2010 to stipend UNC employees for using personal cell phones in lieu of school-issued cell phones in an effort to assist budget cutting measures.

The Daily Tar Heel story on the UNC’s 2010 cell phone stipend policy change also states this little gem:

Under the stipend plan, employees receiving the stipend will have three days to provide phone records if the University’s public records officer requests them. During those three days, employees may redact any information related to personal calls, text messages or e-mails.

It certainly seems that like its sister school UNCC, UNC-CH believes that personal cell phones used to conduct the state’s business are subject to public records requests!

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Along those lines, the Governor of NC issued this Executive Order regarding personal email accounts used to conduct the state’s business:

6. Executive Branch employees who conduct State business via personal e-mail accounts shall ensure that all public records are retained in accordance with this Executive Order and are retained pursuant to the Public Records Law and applicable record retention schedules.

This Executive Order has been interpreted by NC Government entities in this manner when referring to internal email policies:

1.5 Use of Personal E-Mail Accounts
Due to the challenging nature of capturing the information in personal e-mail accounts (such as Gmail™ or Yahoo™), the use of these accounts to conduct official government business is strongly discouraged. If a personal e-mail account is used for government business, employees are required to forward all e-mail messages to their government e-mail account. Those employees who do not have a government e-mail account are expected to print those e-mail messages following the terms of a records retention and disposition schedule. Executive Branch employees who conduct State business via personal e-mail accounts shall ensure that all public records are retained in accordance with Executive Order 18 and are retained pursuant to the Public Records Law and applicable record retention schedules.4 Members of governing boards who use personal accounts to conduct business manage their e-mails according to the records retention schedules and forward the message to the board’s official record keeping entity. If someone has not been appointed, we encourage you to identify the appropriate entity.

The UNC School of Government issued this opinion as to what makes a public record: (We highly recommend that you read this blog entry if you have any questions about NC’s public record law. The UNC School of Government is widely accepted as “the” place to go for a typically accurate interpretation of NC law.)

2. The location of an email does not determine whether or not it is a public record. If an email is made or received in connection with the transaction of public business, it is a public record regardless of whether it is created or stored on a public or a private computer or email system. So an email that relates to public business is a public record even if it is sent from a home computer, or made on a personal email account from any computer. This is true whether the email is sent or received by any public employee, or any elected or appointed public official.

There is obviously a great argument to be made that whether a government agent/employee/elected official is using a personal email account, a personal cell phone, or a personal carrier pigeon, any government business conducted occurring through that communication device is absolute public record… belonging to the people (see the statute set out above).

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While North Carolina courts have not, that we can find, addressed the issue of personal cell phones being used to conduct the State’s business, the Colorado Supreme Court just addressed this exact issue last month. The Denver Post sued the Mayor of Denver for his “personal” cell phone records under the premises that it may have been used to conduct his government-capacity business. Read more here.

The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that the personal cell phone records of the Denver mayor were NOT subject to the request issued by the Denver Post. Before you scream that such a holding is an injustice to the concept of government transparency because anyone can now go get a personal cell phone, shelf the state-issued cell phone, and conduct shady dealings in his government capacity…. read closer.

One opinion of the holding of the case sets out this:

While the Post argued that if a public official uses his personal phone for official government business, those phone records become public record, the Supreme Court ruled that the Post had to first prove that Ritter, who opted not to seek a second term, had actually used his personal cell phone (in addition to a state-issued Blackberry) for government business, rather than simply conclude that he did. Since they failed to do so, the court said, Ritter was under no obligation to produce records proving that he did not use his personal cell phone for such purposes.

If you’re the legal scholar type you can read the opinion here. Otherwise, SFN would offer that the holding essentially means that a blanket request for personal cell phone records believed to have maybe been used for the state’s business will likely fail, at least pursuant to Colorado law. This case is distinguishable to the facts at hand because there seems to be actual evidence in this instance that the phone at issue, likely Butch Davis’ personal cell phone number with the 216 area code, was used by both his managers and his subordinates to contact him. Therein lies the pretty obvious conclusion, along with the fact that his UNC-issued phone went almost completely unused, that this phone was used extensively in his state employment capacity to carry out the functions of his job. Keep in mind that the civil standard applicable is not a criminal standard, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that Butch used the phone to conduct his state job’s business. Rather, the question becomes is there evidence, even if circumstantial, that shows that he more likely than not used the phone in that capacity. Given the evidence and the standard, this seems to be a slam dunk for the plaintiff media outlets should they pursue the 216 records.

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Given the Governor’s directive, government agencies’ interpretation of the record, the controlling statutes, the fact that UNC schools (including UNC-CH) have deemed personal communication devices to be potentially subject to public information requests if used to conduct state business, this issue is poised to explode any day now.

If you’re looking for more evidence to support this, take a jaunt around the country and have a peak at other Universities and their policies regarding coaches and personal cell phones:

The University of Washington

Each coach must keep a thorough and complete log of all recruiting telephone calls made to prospective student-athletes either on the form provided by the compliance office or on the NCAA Compliance Assistant Internet (CAi). The log must include all recruiting calls placed from any telephone (e.g., phone calls placed from home phones, personal cell phones, department-issued cell phones, office phones, hotel phones, etc.). Each coaching staff must choose one coach or administrative staff member to collect and submit all telephone logs for that sport to the Compliance Office. Logs must be received by the 10th of each month (or the next business day if the 10th falls on a weekend or holiday). Coaches using CAi should notify the compliance office by the 10th day of each month that the database has been fully updated to reflect all recruiting phone calls for the previous month.

The Compliance Office periodically will review these logs for compliance with NCAA rules. If the
Compliance Office finds any violations of NCAA rules, the violation will be reported to the Pac-10 and the NCAA, and appropriate sanctions will be levied.

The Compliance Office periodically will obtain telephone records for coaches’ department-issued cell phones and office phones and compare those records with the information recorded on the coaches’ logs. Note: Coaches may be required to provide the compliance office with copies of phone records from any phone that the coach may have used to make recruiting phone calls (e.g., personal cell phone, home phone, etc.). If the Compliance Office finds any discrepancies between the telephone calls reflected in a coach’s logs and the calls reflected in the phone company records, the discrepancy will be reported to the sport administrator for appropriate action. If the discrepancy results in a violation of NCAA rules, the violation will be reported to the Pac-10 and the NCAA.

Texas Pan America

Any calls made from personal cell phones and home phones are to be documented and these records submitted to the Athletics Compliance Officer on a monthly basis.

Seattle

Each coach must keep a thorough and complete log of all recruiting telephone calls made to
prospective student-athletes on the NCAA Compliance Assistant Internet (CAi).

• The log must include all recruiting calls placed from any telephone (e.g., phone calls
placed from home phones, personal cell phones, department-issued cell phones, office
phones, hotel phones, etc.). Logs must be updated by the 10th of each month (or the
next business day if the 10th falls on a weekend or holiday). Coaches should notify
the compliance office by the 10th day of each month that the database has been fully
updated to reflect all recruiting phone calls for the previous month.

Minnesota

I affirm I will report all calls made to prospects or prospect’s parents, including those made by a non-university issued phone, personal cell phone, etc.

I affirm I will notify the Compliance Office if I use an additional phone line or if any of the phone numbers listed above have changed.

I affirm I will submit monthly phone logs to the Compliance Office, listing all recruiting calls made to prospects or prospect’s parents.

I affirm I will provide the Compliance Office access to view all records for the phones listed above.

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61 Responses to DAVIS AND ATTORNEYS FILE FOR TRO – Why UNC loses the 216 battle

  1. grizzlyman 07/17/2012 at 8:27 PM #

    The only valid argument Chief Davis’ lawyer has is that The Chief wasn’t a public official. The NCGS are quoted in the article. If you use a private phone for State business, its public record.

    G.S. 132-1 gives a definition of public records so broad that basically unless the General Assembly has enacted a statute that denies access to it from the public, its a public record. GS 132-1 also includes NC government “Institutions” are subject to Public Record requests. Its pretty clear to me that anyone that works in the UNC system that uses their personal phone or email for State business is subject to a Public records request.

    http://sogpubs.unc.edu/cmg/cmg08.pdf This is some informative reading on public records from UNC’s own School of Government. You would think they understand what a public record is at UNC Crapel Hill.

    If the 216 records aren’t ordered to be made public, the judge might as well be wearing a baby blue robe in court.

  2. choppack1 07/17/2012 at 8:43 PM #

    I wonder if the law firm who looked at Butch’s records was involved in reviewing McAdoo’s paper….You know, and came to the conclusion, it was his work.

  3. highstick 07/17/2012 at 9:36 PM #

    Butch, if you pee on yourself in the bathroom, don’t come out until your pants are dry…Someone might notice!

    Dummy, this is like say, “everyone turn your head and don’t look at the pee stain on my pants and if you do see it, don’t tell anyone else”..

    Freakin’ prostates are hell on “the more mature”…

  4. BassPacker 07/17/2012 at 9:45 PM #

    WTVD11 is reporting that Davis Lawyer is requesting Tom O’Brien be made legally turn over his play book…..not making this up. This is getting good.

  5. GAWolf 07/17/2012 at 10:19 PM #

    Here’s what I find interesting in this document, besides of course the fact that it gives this blog 50-some pages of credit that should likely just as well go to Pack Pride message boards, is that there is an Affidavit from Mrs. Davis that is hugely telling.

    Legally speaking, the affidavit admits in paragraph 12 that Butch used the 216 phone to call all of his University bosses. That clearly makes the records public records.

    Also, why on earth did Baddour, Thorpe and even Bowles not question why he was still using a 216 phone number years into being in Chapel HIll? Also, why didn’t they at the very least check those records for NCAA compliance like most colleges require of coaches and their phone contacts?

    Lastly, as a practical matter… Mrs. Davis affidavit clearly sets out the thought process of UNC powers-that-be to isolate themselves from having to know about wrongdoing. Transparency and thorough investigation? Hardly.

    The horrors at Penn State have shown that Universities shouldn’t play coy with semantics to avoid having to take action against wrongdoers. At first the Forde article is correct that UNC is likely the ONLY entity benefiting from the horrible, horrible situation at Penn State. Looking more closely, however, it seems the Penn State scenario might bring to light a problem that UNC may get wrapped up in. That is University administrations turning a blind eye to wrong occurring on their watch.

  6. GAWolf 07/17/2012 at 10:22 PM #

    Grizz: I’ve unfortunately done extensive research on the terribly boring question of who is a public official and who is a limited purpose public figure. I think Butch falls clearly under the public figure given a college football coach is paid tons of money to be the face of a University. He’s more known that any of the academic administrators, and in most case he gets extra money for being a tv personality on his football show.

  7. runwiththepack 07/17/2012 at 10:23 PM #

    Imagine back in ’89-91 Valvano & Co. trying to pull these stunts that we’ve seen the past couple years from Chapel Hill.

    On the other hand, we didn’t see the gangrene start to set into infected limbs like we are now seeing in Chapel Hill – because NCSU’s limbs were amputated immediately with scant little thought!

  8. GAWolf 07/17/2012 at 11:10 PM #

    Nice analogy, and very appropriate.

    What’s funny is that it seems to show that what “we” as in internet users would “do” with the records would be to scour them and draw conclusions. Well… that’s exactly what the public does with such information and why there is such things as a public information law. That’s the purpose of the law, folks. If government… and UNC is government… won’t be honest with information or hide it or both, then that’s the sole purpose of having disclosure and transparency laws.

    The fact that he’s asking for TOB’s playbook is just completely unprofessional. It’s grasping at straws and throwing poo on the wall or whatever other cliches you want to draw. There’s a term for that… taking people’s arguments to extreme to bring forth ridiculous results.

    Hell… give them TOB’s playbook… they still couldn’t beat his ass. We’ll trade the 216 for the playbook. We’ll still win and we all know the 216 numbers have terrible incriminating information in them or they would have long since been released.

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  9. BureauOfMines 07/18/2012 at 12:05 AM #

    The TOB playbook request is absurd. They are making a straw man argument which hopefully, the judge will reject.

  10. Wufpacker 07/18/2012 at 3:15 AM #

    Thank you pack1910 and GAWolf. That’s pretty much what I thought, but the comments made me wonder if there was something I was missing.

    Now…are you guys being serious about this playbook thing? If so, that’s pretty sad.

  11. TLeo 07/18/2012 at 6:13 AM #

    That’s the first I’ve heard of the Playbook thing. That is really some lame B.S.
    I had some fun with a UNC grad who is a lawyer yesterday. He’s a typical UNC alum…all smiles and nice at first appearance but smug and arrogant. . He was in our office trying to to joke about something to do with Duke to a guy who is a Duke fan. Well, he made some comment of “not wearing my Carolina suit today.” I had ben silent but couldn’t resist asking him why he wouldn’t he be ashamed to wear a “Carolina Suit” and when he asked why I just said “because your so called university is a academic fraud and cheat.” He didn’t wasted any time leaving.

  12. Hungwolf 07/18/2012 at 8:28 AM #

    Butch “I did nothing wrong” Davis certainly doesn’t want to prove it. The more I see, the more I realize how little the NCAA actually investigated UNC and now am concluding they may have actually just turned a blind eye to so many infractions knowing full well UNC was so dirty that to hammer them would tarnish college sports and hurt the NCAA’s reputation. Why was UNC not punished for letting a coach use a phone to recruit that was not monitored as required?

  13. TruthBKnown Returns 07/18/2012 at 8:37 AM #

    Heard on the news last night that the NCAA did NOT review Butch’s 216 phone records.

    I know a lot of fans that have assumed all along that UNX was fully compliant and gave the NCAA everything (including those 216 phone records), and that it was OK that they didn’t release everything to the public. Well, now we know the NCAA has NOT seen those phone records, and if they did, would they really have had the manpower to thoroughly analyze them the way State fans will?

  14. bill.onthebeach 07/18/2012 at 9:46 AM #

    Just curious…. can anybody here find and post the NC General Statute reference that defines who is and who is not a “public official” ??

  15. wilmwolf80 07/18/2012 at 9:50 AM #

    Me thinks he doth protest too much. We all know that there is damning info there. I just won’t be sure that we will ever see it until it finally happens.

  16. Prowling Woofie 07/18/2012 at 11:36 AM #

    The only way to get any damning evidence is if an un-redacted copy is obtained from the wireless provider. If Butch gets to use his Sharpie, there won’t be 10 lines of legible print left…

  17. grizzlyman 07/18/2012 at 11:57 AM #

    Bill

    § 132‑1. “Public records” defined.

    (a) “Public record” or “public records” shall mean all documents, papers, letters, maps, books, photographs, films, sound recordings, magnetic or other tapes, electronic data‑processing records, artifacts, or other documentary material, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received pursuant to law or ordinance in connection with the transaction of public business by ANY AGENCY OF NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNMENT or its subdivisions. Agency of North Carolina government or its subdivisions SHALL MEAN AND INCLUDE every public office, PUBLIC OFFICER OR OFFICIAL (State or local, elected or appointed), INSTITUTION, board, commission, bureau, council, department, authority or other unit of government of the State or of any county, unit, special district or other political subdivision of government.

    (b) The public records and public information compiled by the agencies of North Carolina government or its subdivisions are the property of the people. Therefore, it is the policy of this State that the people may obtain copies of their public records and public information free or at minimal cost unless otherwise specifically provided by law. As used herein, “minimal cost” shall mean the actual cost of reproducing the public record or public information. (1935, c. 265, s. 1; 1975, c. 787, s. 1; 1995, c. 388, s. 1.)

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/statutes/StatutesTOC.pl?Chapter=0132 The rest of the statute can be found here.

  18. Hungwolf 07/18/2012 at 12:23 PM #

    If Mike Easley’s personal emails were deemed public records, then certiantly Butch’s phone records are public record. I don’t see how phone calls to prominent people would open such a can of worms, it doesn’t reveal the nature of the conversation. Maybe he got escort services, gf, mistress, calls to tutors, professors, NFL agents,ect. Now we talking embarrassing. I mean why is Butch’s wife so involved?

  19. PackerInRussia 07/18/2012 at 12:32 PM #

    “… the UNC Board of Governors’ special committee on the UNC academic fraud scandal has not even bothered to meet yet.”

    They’re waiting until GSA’s event coordinator is available.

  20. GAWolf 07/18/2012 at 2:35 PM #

    Since most of the prominent people they are concerned about are also state employees then that’s even MORE reason that he records are the public’s to do with as the public wishes. It’s essentially the tax payer’s property as we pay for government. So he called Baddour, Thorpe and even Bowles with that phone… Certainly that’s the state’s business he’s calling about.

    If released it would be interesting to cross reference phone calls to story development dates and who in state government put in their two cents on how to spin this story. Given we’ve already seen the emails from Curtis offering to use local media to spin the story, what other folks offered assistance to mitigate or maybe cover up this story? Those records will no doubt paint an interesting tell.

    Honestly, no one cares about personal calls even is they were to famous or even unsavory individuals. The questionable calls, if they exist, are to Whichard, Blake, agents, board of trustee member, players about to be interviewed by NCAA, etc. Those are what interest the concerned public, not phone calls to family and friends. That’s where this thing should be a losing exercise for Butch.

    Again, I hope the phone calls completely exhonerate Butch. If he’s of clean hands then it’s the university itself involves in systematic cheating and Butch really did walk into a System-wide level of corruption as mentioned by professor smith and other UNC adults.

    I say Butch spills the beans and saves his career if he truly wants to coach again. To heck with protecting UNC…

  21. vtpackfan 07/18/2012 at 3:31 PM #

    Noticed UNC has said nothing about ensuring transparency through their Athletic Department my auditing all work related call records. Yet they were eager beaver to tell everyone about Butchs’ sign out sheet.

    Is an adult anywhere to be found at the well?

    BTW, its NCCU, not UNCC. Not to be not picky its just we cringe at that the same as UNC Raleigh. Super write up.

  22. vtpackfan 07/18/2012 at 3:35 PM #

    Noticed UNC has said nothing about ensuring transparency through their Athletic Department by auditing all work related call records. Yet they were eager beaver to tell everyone about Butchs’ sign out sheet.

    Is an adult anywhere to be found at the well?

    BTW, its NCCU, not UNCC. Not to be picky its just we cringe at that the same as UNC Raleigh. Super write up.

  23. MrPlywood 07/18/2012 at 4:43 PM #

    I don’t know about you guys, but I absolutely believe that Butch is only trying to protect Dungy, Rice and all the other really important people he called.

  24. wolfbuff 07/18/2012 at 4:52 PM #

    As I thought about this, if this were at a private university, the coach could virtually get away with anything. Unencumbered by public records laws, they can call or text anyone they want, delete any emails they want, etc. and might never get caught doing anything illegal. Aside from self-policing on NCAA regulations (assuming they even do) where is the accountability for private schools? Look for UNC to secede from the state and go private after their “public ivy” house of cards comes tumbling down.

  25. Whiteshoes67 07/18/2012 at 8:23 PM #

    There isn’t any question the records are subject to the public records law. Manning is a bit of a loose cannon, but any judge is going to rule the same. Davis has money, as does the university, and they’re just throwing cash at a loser of a case.

    I’m more interested in what the provider retains, and maybe someone can tell me. Are text messages in anyway stored by the provider, or are they only stored on the devices? I read a NC Dept of Justice briefing online (sorry, can’t find link anymore) sometime ago that Verizon and several other providers stored the content of text messages for a week or longer. Any chance of getting the actual messages?

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