Rogueapalooza By The Numbers

With the latest shenanigans out of Chapel Hill coming to light as of late, SFN has been on top of things with articles on the “Carolina Way” becoming a joke, the chair of the UNC BOT, the flagship wants a refund and the original Rogueapalooza article.

Also of related interest to this article is the excellent work done in the Roy, 3 percent and Swahili entry.

The N&O has a PDF with a list of the 9 aberrant (no faculty member supervised or graded work) and the 45 irregular (faculty member had limited contact with students) courses in the African and Afro-American studies department. You can read the full explanations and definitions of aberrant and irregular in this document from UNC.

Aberrant Courses
In these 9 courses (and the term student-athlete is being used quite loosely):

8 of those courses had an enrollment of at least 50% student-athletes.
7 had an enrollment of at least 60% student-athletes.
6 had an enrollment of at least 70% student-athletes.
4 had an enrollment of at least 80% student-athletes.
2 had an enrollment of 100% student-athletes.

In the first summer school session of 2008, only one student was enrolled in the course SWAH402. That lone student was a UNC men’s basketball player.

In the second summer school session of 2007, all 6 of the students enrolled in the course SWAH403 were student-athletes, half of which were football players.

Other than the one course where the only student was a non student-athlete, there were no classes where the non student-athletes (the vast majority of students on campus) outnumbered the student-athletes.

Wikipedia lists the student population at UNC as 29,390 and the undergraduate population as 18,579. Going through the current rosters of all the sports at UNC there are approximately 700 student-athletes (some may be walkons or not on a full scholarship but let’s just assume if you’re on a team, you’re a student athlete).

For a quick and dirty analysis, that means student-athletes make up around 2.4% of the student body and 3.8% of the undergrads. The non-athlete to athlete ratio is 41 to 1 overall and 25.5 to 1 as undergrads.

In these nine courses the ratio goes in the opposite direction, there are 3.2 student athletes for every non-student athlete.

In these nine aberrant courses, there were a total 59 students enrolled. 45 of those students were athletes (76.3%). 32 were football players (54.2%). 7 were basketball players (11.9%).

The percentage of student-athletes in these nine courses (76.3%) is 32 times higher that the percentage of student-athletes in the overall student body (2.4%) and 20 times higher that the percentage for undergraduates (3.8%). For football players (54.2%) it is 23 times higher overall and 14 times higher for undergrads. For basketball players (11.9%) it is 5 times higher overall and 3 times higher for undergrads.

Irregular Courses
In these 45 courses:

32 of those courses had an enrollment of at least 50% student-athletes.
19 had an enrollment of at least 60% student-athletes.
14 had an enrollment of at least 70% student-athletes.
9 had an enrollment of at least 80% student-athletes.
3 had an enrollment of at least 90% student-athletes.
2 had an enrollment of 100% student-athletes.

The class mentioned above where the lone student was a UNC men’s basketball player was not a one time occurrence. In the second summer session of 2007, one student was enrolled in AFAM 269. Again, that one student was a UNC men’s basketball player.

In the first summer school session of 2008, all 5 of the students enrolled in the course AFAM 398 were student-athletes, 4 of which were football players and the other a men’s basketball player.

Then there is also the infamous AFAM280 course in the second summer session of 2011 with an enrollment of 18 football players and 1 former player. You can read more about this class in this article from the N&O.

Out of these 45 classes there were only 13 classes where the non student-athletes outnumbered the student-athletes. Only 6 of these 45 classes had no student-athletes enrolled.

As mentioned in the previous section, student-athletes make up around 2.4% of the student body and 3.8% of the undergrads. The non-athlete to athlete ratio is 41 to 1 overall and 25.5 to 1 as undergrads.

In these 45 irregular courses the ratio again goes in the opposite direction, there are 1.3 student athletes for every non-student athlete.

In these 45 irregular courses, there were a total 627 students enrolled. 353 of those students were athletes (56.3%). 214 were football players (34.1%). 16 were basketball players (2.6%).

The percentage of student-athletes in these 45 courses (56.3%) is 23 times higher that the percentage of student-athletes in the overall student body (2.4%) and 15 times higher that the percentage for undergraduates (3.8%). For football players (34.1%) it is 14 times higher overall and 9 times higher for undergrads. For basketball players (2.6%) it is slightly higher overall and actually lower for undergrads.

Conclusions
It’s completely obvious that the enrollment in these fraudulent courses is nowhere near representative of the student body overall or at the undergrad level.

Tom Ross, the UNC system president was quoted as saying “I believe that this was an isolated situation and that the campus has taken appropriate steps to correct problems and put additional safeguards in place.”

How isolated is it to have such a high concentration of student-athletes in these suspect courses? Maybe if you define isolated as these courses were isolated for student-athletes to take.

And the “appropriate steps to correct problems” were obviously not taken when this was still going on in the summer of 2011.

At least Ross finally created a review panel from the BOG.

Even Dick Baddour agrees with me, from WRAL: “What I am concerned about is when last summer, you see that sort of concentration within a course, not a major, but a course, when our antenna should have been up.”

Roy Williams chimed in as well saying “Am I worried about it? I’m worried about it from a university issue, but not from a basketball issue.” In a just world Roy would be really, really worried right about now.

UNC-CH Chancellor Holden Thorp was quoted as saying ““We’ve done a very thorough investigation on the academic side.” I’m skeptical they’ve done anything as thorough as what I just did in a couple of hours work. And if they did, they still concluded everything is fine, move along, nothing to see here. Thorp seems more concerned about getting a refund from Nyang’oro than with the complete academic disaster right in front of his face.

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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46 Responses to Rogueapalooza By The Numbers

  1. Texpack 06/15/2012 at 5:27 PM #

    The Erskine Bowles strategy of dragging this out and thinking that people would get tired of it just hasn’t worked. Mainly because of the LOOOONG memories of NC State people who are keeping the heat on. The other thing that has made this strategy blow up is that there seems to be a new scandal nugget turning up every few weeks.

    I really do enjoy the discussions about the “value” of a liberal arts education. It really just depends on how you define value. A lot of liberal arts stuff is easily self taught. For example, my 16 year old is reading Plato this summer just for grins. That is why I have a hard time with the IRR on a liberal arts education obtained from a university.

  2. Pack78 06/15/2012 at 5:59 PM #

    Though I am a proud Wolfpack engineering alumnus, my son taught me a good deal about the broader view of the world that can be gained in pursuit of a degree in something other than the ‘hard sciences’. He earned a BBA with a minor in Leadership at one of the UGA system campuses. Unlike the rather singular focus of the discipline that I ground through, he had time to travel to the UK to learn about law, business, and University (Cambridge) as part of his undergraduate career. I am still somewhat envious…

  3. Wufpacker 06/15/2012 at 6:05 PM #

    Without humanities studies, we wouldn’t be NCSU, we’d be NCSTIT. Does anyone really want that?

  4. mafpack 06/15/2012 at 7:09 PM #

    Love to see these numbers and the clear story that they tell. It’s exceedingly obvious to any non-biased observer what was actually occurring at the Flagship for so many years. Stay on it N&O!

    As far as the humanities discussion, I was on my soap box just last week discussing this with a fellow Wolfpack fan. While I enjoyed my time in CHASS and the undergrad degree I have from NCSU on PoliSci, the only reason I have an actual job today is because of the work experience I gained working for the NCSU IT department doing desktop and classtech support part time between classes.

    Now, as a manager for a Fortune 50 company, I see the sad story of international outsourcing being played out in front of me and I’m powerless to stop it. Primarily because even our ‘hard science’ undergrad degrees in the US don’t hold a candle to the degrees being earned in places like China, India and Japan. While we spend our time becoming ‘well rounded’ they spend 3 times as much time with laser like focus on a specific vocational degree (like Computer Science).

    For 1/3 the price I can have a Dev team made up of guys that spent 4 years, 6 days a week, 10 hours a day doing nothing be learning to write code (perhaps a bit exaggerated but you get the idea). Or, I can have a team of Americans that took a handful of CS degree requirement classes over their last few years of undergrad while taking a few sociology, history and PE (archery or Ultimate Frisbee for credit anyone?) at the same time.

    I used to think it didn’t matter what degree you got as long as you had that piece of paper that basically says ‘I can learn’ – but as I get older, I’m starting to realize that just isn’t the case anymore. If you actually want to land a job out of college, pick a degree at a top school that is specific and employable … do your humanities interests (as Texpack’s son is) as a hobby in your spare time. Get work experience doing internships or co-ops in your specific field during the summers (or take a full semester off) as this experience means EVERYTHING when trying to land that first job after graduation. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

  5. tractor57 06/15/2012 at 9:36 PM #

    True education simply for education is not a vice unless gained at the expense of massive student loan debt and with little to no way to earn enough money to repay said debt. As a graduate in Textile Chemistry I was focused on the ultimate goal of employment but along the way to that degree I also had some exposure to liberal arts and to college life in general. The latter separates the 4 year university experience from a trade school in my opinion. Back in my day of deciding what form of higher education to pursue the decision came down to a tech school program or the program I chose at state.

    In the end I was well served by my choice although there is little of the textile industry I joined upon my graduation left in the US. The same can be said for a LOT of manufacturing.

  6. TheCOWDOG 06/15/2012 at 9:39 PM #

    Va. I’m thinking that you really didn’t get it across the way you intended.

    Wuf pretty much nailed it for me, so , so…good luck to all you farmers in a dying industry as well.

    Good luck to you wild life science cats. Good luck to you industrial education boys and girls.

  7. OldWuf 06/15/2012 at 10:39 PM #

    WV, great analysis. COWDOG, not sure I got your meaning but the (NCSU grad)farmers that I work for have been doing very well while everyone else in my community has been suffering the last 4 years. They have been successful in spite of being totally ignored(and often legislated against) by local politicians and econ dev types. In turn,they have carried many of us with them. Unfortunately, several of my NCSU engineer and manufacturing buds are shuttling back and forth to China or in sales to earn a buck. Appreciate you guys, just offering a point of education.

  8. choppack1 06/15/2012 at 11:04 PM #

    Ladies and gents,

    Let’s not get distracted. Of course, humanities degrees offer meaningful degrees and even financial useful degrees for some. However, let’s not forget what’s important – integrity.

    With that in mind, please peruse Mr. Kane’s latest installment:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/15/2139982/questions-linger-in-unc-academic.html

  9. Master 06/15/2012 at 11:06 PM #

    Any major that ends in the word “studies” is just four years of therapy and indoctrination. That is not what college is for and it’s a scam to convince someone to spend good money in pursuit of something so worthless. College should be used for the pursuit of truth and knowledge, not opinion and propaganda.

    AfAm studies is not to be confused with sociology, psychology, literature, arts, political science and other legitimate liberal arts degrees. It’s the codification of grievance and victimization. See also “feminist studies.”

  10. tuckerdorm1983 06/16/2012 at 6:37 AM #

    Hey pack78 I agree with you. I got a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering at NCSU and a B.S. in Philosophy. I also got a J.D. and a Ph.D. in Political Science from UNC-Chapel Hell. I am a scientists at heart and always will be. The degree and course of study that has meant the most to me was the B.S. in Philosophy. The liberal arts or humanities courses ask you to engage in critical thinking and contextual analysis. In other words you develop an instant bullshit detector. The science courses teach you about how the physical world works and how to solve problems and do research. The humanities and social science courses teach you how to ask questions and how to write and read and reason and argue. I know professors in African American studies that are tops in their fields and top notch academics. Sure Kangaroo is an idiot.
    The bottom line is that my education in “liberal arts” has made me more conservative politically. I listen to NPR and say “thats bullshit” and at the same time I see fox news as nothing but a propaganda machine with Bill O’Reilly as a goon.
    I am a scientists at heart and think when you discount fields of studies like literature or art or humanities you miss the whole point and that is they teach you skills and abilities desperately needed for our culture and society to function and they add greatly to your life as a whole. They are not just courses that somehow make you liberal. Liberals can put just as doctrinaire and intransigent as any conservative could ever be.

  11. tuckerdorm1983 06/16/2012 at 6:56 AM #

    Master. These fields like feminist studies do push the envelope. However, I contend that they are valid fields of studies. The value of a liberal art’s degree is usually to expose you to the world of ideas and arguments. It should teach you to reason and question and not accept what someone says as true. I have a ME degree from NCSU and a Philosophy degree from NCSU. I also have a J.D. and a Ph.D in Political Science from UNC-Chapel HEll. I have come to the conclusion that liberals can be just as close minded and just as arrogant and just as dogmatic as conservatives any day. Over the years the degree that has meant the most to me is the Philosophy degree. It was the beginning of me developing a “bullshit” detector. These classes actually made me more conservative.
    While I am a scientist at heart, science classes do not teach you to argue, debate, write and criticize on topics like what is right and wrong?, does God exists?, what does freedom mean?, what kind of government is best?, what is the nature of man?, what does it mean to be human?, why do we suffer? etc etc…. We need people in the world with these skills to push our society forward, even if they have to take jobs at fast food restaurants and they run up huge student loans with degrees in feminist studies or the like.

  12. tuckerdorm1983 06/16/2012 at 8:38 AM #

    you guys are throwing the baby out with the bath water

  13. WuffDad 06/16/2012 at 8:58 AM #

    thank you Master for identifying the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

  14. vtpackfan 06/16/2012 at 12:43 PM #

    Pretty sad commentaries on the epistiology merits of higher education.

    Search for truth= writing code, making a road, designing a robot bat, and genetically modifying agriculture and husbandry.
    The ancient Egyptians did this sort of application in rote and mundane ways; even the slaves building the pyramids grasped these truths. That is just more indoctrination since you would have to be conned into Classical Studies to warp your mind around that.

    It’s an Administrative problem of ethics and corruption we have here, not a failure to structure a rigorous academic setting for the UNC system.

  15. Master 06/16/2012 at 1:51 PM #

    @vtpackfan – I’m guessing you meant epistemology, a branch of philosophy.

    Code, roads and robots are products developed or created using the truth and knowledge of math used for engineering. If you can point out a product created from AfAm studies other than grievance or the teaching thereof, I will admit to enlightenment.

    Frankly, I believe the failure to structure a rigorous academic setting IS a problem of ethics and corruption. It is a baldface theft of time and money from students, parents and taxpayers to foist such an outright phoney, unintellectual program of thought under the guise of education. The study of Superman comics would yield a more useful member of society.

  16. graywolf 06/16/2012 at 4:04 PM #

    All written communication coming out of the athletic department in Chapel Hill will now be written in swahili since swahili is so frequently written and spoken within the department.

  17. WuffDad 06/16/2012 at 6:07 PM #

    Graywolf,
    I would wager that few if any of those “students” on the receiving end of those communications could read, write, speak, or comprehend spoken words in Swahili aside from a random word or phase.

    Master,
    the only employable product of these “Studies” curriculum’s appears to be more academics like Uncle Julius to perpetuate the farce and consume valuable resources better used elsewhere. It is particularly infuriating to know that virtually every university in the country sees fit to have an AAS and WS department not just a few classes. I can appreciate the merits of having a few universities with these specialties/majors but elevating this to the status of math and english is stoopid and only done for political correctness.

  18. tuckerdorm1983 06/16/2012 at 6:34 PM #

    codes and roads???? The outcome of science is the production of new and innovative products. Science is looking for scientific truths. However, there is more truth than just in science. We ask ourselves what is good? What is a proper form of government? Does God exists? Truths writers of literature propound, like Mr. Billy Shakespeare are not “scientific” but clearly are truths of the human condition.
    I would say that African studies is a valid endeavor. I would say that even Queer studies is a valid endeavor. What they produce is a clearer picture of what is and ask questions that need to be addressed. Do they perpetuate a bunch of liberal mumbo jumbo. Probably to some degree. I still think they offer a great deal to the discussion.
    All I ask is that students learn to think critically and be able to reason clearly and put those thoughts into to words in both writing and speaking. I want students to put forth well reasoned arguments and be willing to admit their own weaknesses in their arguments. These “studies” type courses should produce this type of critical thinking in students.
    As for Professor Kangaroo. Well he should be ashamed of what he did and should be punished for making a mockery of academic integrity. However, just because he shamed African studies does not mean it is a useless field of endeavor.

  19. vtpackfan 06/16/2012 at 8:44 PM #

    Master, I can respect your opinion, especially since you stated it well.

    I still disagree because they’re serious philosophical differences in what is meant as achieved results, deliverables, from various disciplines.

  20. Master 06/17/2012 at 8:22 AM #

    Thanks VT.

    Tuckerdorm, my comment on codes and roads was directly related to VT’s post. I definitly believe there is higher learning outside the sciences and I was a liberal arts major myself. My wife and I are firm believers that our children should have a well rounded education in both science and the liberal arts as a means to knowledge as well as manner of thinking.

    What I am learning about “studies” programs is that they lack intellectual rigor, an accepted body of knowledge or a purpose beyond expounding propaganda to nurture grievance. The beneficiary of such an education is the victimization industry and those who would nurture it further. That industry creates it own lifecycle of financial need which suckles at the teat of taxpayers whether in education or government largees. One would hope the cost of buildings, staffing, teaching and graduating “studies” majors would be a net add to the individual and financial capital of the state. Not a chance.

    So, as to the subject of this blog thread – the players at UNC were not only going to classes in a worthless major, they were being indoctrinated into a mode of thinking that will ultimatly undermine their usefulness to society. That is all a crime on our children and should be stopped.

  21. tuckerdorm1983 06/17/2012 at 9:07 AM #

    Master I agree with you to a point. I hate a philosophy that focuses upon victimization. My view point is that bad things happen and you have to figure out a way to get over it and past it. That is why I am so opposed affirmative action.

    On the other hand, the history of Africa has been indelibly marred by imperialism and colonization. When the French, the Dutch and the English packed their bags and got out, they left behind “a big pile of crap”. As the years have passed, many countries in the African continent have been raped by multinationals and dictators. It almost does not bear mentioning the famine, war and genocide that occurs so frequently there. What really is a shame is that the rest of the world does so little compared to what it could do. Multitudes die every year from simple diseases like Malaria, which could easily be cured for pennies. Aids and HIV are rampant while the Catholic Church discourages the use of condoms. I told my wife, that if we in fact reincarnate, then under no circumstance do I want to wake up in a small rural village in Somalia. I, for one, am going to give them a little leeway on the victimization scale and a program that explores these issues.
    What does what I have just said have to do with a bunch of cheaters? Nothing!!!
    By the way lust ask Madonna or even Brad and Angelina. They go to Africa and come home with more children than they took there. These folks are joke!!

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