To State, This ACCT Matters

So, with damaging losses to Clemson, Georgia Tech and Stanford, and without any resume-building wins, and after one of the least entertaining regular seasons in ACC history, and with Thursday’s slate of rematches poised to be completely unwatchable, here we are: to State, this ACC Tournament very much matters.

After the loss at Clemson, our NCAA Tournament chances were seemingly hopeless. But with such a weak bubble, and with a little help, we may actually be able to use the ACC Tournament as a springboard into the NCAA Tournament, just like so many other ACC teams have done over the years. There was a time when a 9-7 league record and a win in the ACC Tournament used to be a lock for an NCAA Tournament bid. But that was back before expansion and scheduling imbalances watered down the tournament match ups, back when the ACC Tournament used to be a pinnacle event, and quarterfinals Friday was the ACC’s Holy Day.

Those privileged few among us who ever attended the tournament experienced a weekend-long pageantry of pent-up intensity, borne from a grueling, two-month round robin, an event that was unrivaled by any other in college basketball, including the Final Four. Reds, blues, oranges, and golds, at first divided evenly by sections on Friday afternoon, eventually shifted and merged towards center court as colors were eliminated and new alliances formed to root against Carolina. Outside, after each session, the sharks frenzied as winners snatched up the tickets of the losers who just wanted out of the Old North State. The ACC distinguished itself for decades with its tournament, and due in no small part to N.C. State.

State won its first five ACC Tournament titles at home, in Reynolds Coliseum. The consensus among the older generations is that the greatest ACC game ever played – and arguably the best in all of college basketball – was the 1974 State-Maryland ACC Championship game. A little perspective: State and Maryland were ranked one and two in the nation, but the loser of that game would go home. We all know State won in overtime, en route to the National Championship, but that game’s legacy was far greater. It was largely responsible for the expansion of the NCAA Tournament beyond 16.

Almost a decade later, in 1983, the Cardiac Pack stormed into March with its only shot at the NCAA Tournament as the ACC Tournament champion. You may vaguely recall that a few weeks later that team left Albuquerque as National Champions. Remember, there were no Cinderellas and March wasn’t Madness before State set that precedent.

Then, in 1987, Vinny Del Negro stepped to the free throw line in the Capital Centre in Washington, D.C., trailing those Bastards Born & Bred (who were undefeated in league play) 67-66 with only 14 seconds left, and coolly drained two foul shots for the 68-67 victory and the ACC Tournament title. Contrary to what Mike Patrick will tell you, it hasn’t always been just Duke and Carolina. On that day 25 long, tortuous years ago, State was tied with Carolina for ACC titles, and led Duke by three.

That was State’s tenth ACC title, but since ours is a story of stubborn, tragic endurance, it was also our last. We’ve had our moments since, albeit short-lived; otherwise the ACC Tournament has been mostly agony. The 1989 team that was honored recently lost its Friday game as the one-seed. Then, State played on Thursday six consecutive times between 1993 and 1998; those first three years, State couldn’t even get to Friday. In the past 15 years, we’ve played for the championship four times, losing each one (none worse than 2003). Even still, the tournament captivated us. We could cheer on James Forrest and Georgia Tech past Duke on Friday and then Carolina on Sunday in 1993; Randolph Childress and Wake Forest past Carolina in 1995; and Greg Buckner’s dunk with 1.3 seconds left to beat Carolina in 1996. Then we were finally relevant again, making that unlikely Thursday-to-Sunday run past Georgia Tech, Duke and Maryland, before coming up just short on tired legs on Sunday in 1997. We beat eventual-National Champions Maryland on Saturday in 2002 and made another unlikely run to Sunday in 2007.

The ACC Tournament used to represent the best the league had to offer, but in recent years it has lost its luster, and is hardly the premier event it used to be. There’s a variety of reasons, many of which can be blamed on Boston College and, of course, John Swofford.

Some say expansion — and “the de-emphasis on basketball and the dilution of traditional rivalries [which] has sucked the life out of what was once its signature event” — has created an overall lack of appreciation for the tournament’s once-great legacy, while many of the attendance woes can be blamed on the poor economy and somewhat on the location, but also on fan bases that simply no longer care.

There’s a common perception among many fans that the ACC over-promotes the Blues while officials give them preferential treatment (for reference: here and here), which has created an unfair advantage that has resulted in one of them winning all but one of the past 15 tournament titles. But I think the main problem nowadays is the overall poor quality of the league, due in no small part to the poor match ups created by an unbalanced league schedule. The past few regular seasons, particularly this one, offered little quality and even less excitement, and far too often the basketball was simply unwatchable.

Demand for tournament tickets has declined since 2009. I recall a Sports Illustrated column back in the late 90s about how an ACC Tournament ticket was a luxury few could acquire, as tough as a Master’s ticket, and even more so than the Final Four. The reason was simple: ACC Tournament tickets weren’t made available to the general public. The ACC Tournament sold out for 43 consecutive years, and in 2001 at the Georgia Dome, average attendance was over 36,500 per session with a record 40,803 on Saturday (TheACC.com). By 2009, again at the Georgia Dome, 26,000 booklets were sold on Friday, yet fewer than 20,000 “passed through the turnstiles” (N&O).

This year, the tournament is at Philip’s Arena, which seats less than 19,000…and tickets are still available.

And it’s not just the fans who don’t care. It’s been well-documented that Roy Williams doesn’t give a sh** about Carolina or the ACC Tournament. But to be fair, most years lately State has played like it doesn’t give a sh** about the tournament, either.

The ACC Tournament many of us grew up anticipating is done. Adding teams will only water it down further, and it’s likely there will be a de-emphasis on Greensboro, as the ACC will undoubtedly look towards venues such as Madison Square Garden in coming years (Atlanta Journal-Constitution).

But the difference this year, for us, is that State can use this tournament to strengthen a weak resume for Selection Sunday. I think that if we’re playing on Saturday, and if we get a little help, then we’ll be in one of the play-in games (as a 12-seed); and if we can somehow make it to Sunday (which we’ve done with far inferior teams), then we may not even be one of the last four in.

And if, somehow, we win the whole durn thing, then I’m sure I can make an argument for the ACC Tournament still being as great as it ever was.

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32 Responses to To State, This ACCT Matters

  1. Codebrown 03/06/2012 at 10:46 AM #

    It’s still great to me dammit!

  2. Wulfpack 03/06/2012 at 11:09 AM #

    I remember going to the tourney way back in time, when there were almost as many fans watching the open practices than would show up for what is now the Thursday round of games. That’s all Thursday really is -a warm-up/practice/glorified play-in round to determine if you deserve to be in the main event. The real fun starts on Friday, and Saturday, to me, is still a blast.

    I don’t really have a read on who is going to win this thing. I’d say Duke, since they always seem to do well. But the Devils are seriously flawed. If the three isn’t falling, forget it.

    I’d say UNC obviously as the odds on favorite, but we all know Roy doesn’t seem to care. It could be different this year as they are battling for a #1 seed. And if we are fortunate enough to make it to Saturday, then you can bet Roy will have his team ready against us.

    I’m thinking FSU right now. The Noles play sound lock-down defense, and Snaer, Dulkys and now Ian Miller are filling the basket.

    My dark horse: Well ff course it’s NC State! I mean, if Sid can reach the finals in his first year, surely Gott can as well!

  3. JVM4PACK 03/06/2012 at 11:09 AM #

    Water down, Cabal based tournament set up or not, I’m like you code…I enjoy it myself, I want that trophy back in Raleigh, GO PACK

  4. Pack84 03/06/2012 at 11:19 AM #

    I’m afraid we’re in the wrong bracket to be able to make it to Sunday. I think we’d have a shot if we were facing Duke on Saturday (although it’s no lock that Duke makes it to Saturday), but going up against the holes is going to be too much to overcome.

  5. Texpack 03/06/2012 at 11:40 AM #

    THURSDAY was the Holy Grail day when I was growing up. Winning your Thursday game got you a game on TV on Friday night. Once the first round games got put on TV my Dad took a vacation day every year to watch the tournament. I can’t imagine doing that now.

    I dreamed of getting ACC Tournament Tickets when I was growing up.
    I went to the ’68 Finals and saw us get waxed. My favorite Tournament game of that era was the ’70 Finals where we took out a Top 5 team from USC in 3OT. Ed Leftwich made the dagger steal from Bobby Cremins to win that one. Being a Pack fan in South Carolina was never sweeter than that.

    As a student I got to go to the ’82 and ’84 ACCT. I couldn’t go in ’83 because I had to tour Paper Mills over Spring Break to satisfy a degree requirement. I know that when I looked across the end zone seats in ’82 I saw a Dr. from my hometown who gave a full scholarship to Clemson every year. My seats were better than his. That was when I really knew for sure how tough the ticket was to get.

    It is nice to be going into one of these thinking about more than maybe catching lightning in a bottle. I think the new wave of coaches over the last two years will produce some solid programs and the tournament will be interesting again before too long. GO PACK!

  6. wilmwolf80 03/06/2012 at 11:50 AM #

    Hopefully the players are hungry enough to break this 25 year drought. They should understand that the ACC tournament began two games ago for us, so we are coming in 2-0 with four more wins to go.

  7. Scooter 03/06/2012 at 12:09 PM #

    This is our tournament — it’s time for us to start owning it again. Will it happen for us this year? Unlikely. But can it happen? Oh yeah. All it takes is the first non-blue final in a couple of decades to get this thing off of life support.

  8. YogiNC 03/06/2012 at 12:18 PM #

    LRM, as I read that it reminded me of State’s first game in the big dance in 83. It was a triple overtime win against Pepperdine. That game produced the Valvano rule which put in the double bonus at 10 team fouls (few people call it that but Valvano was the reason it came about). The game was on the west coast and started late (11 PM). With the triple overtimes and the endless parade of foul shots it finally ended at about 3:15 AM. I was exhausted from watching.

  9. pyejam 03/06/2012 at 12:41 PM #

    texpack are you still working in paper?

  10. Hungwolf 03/06/2012 at 1:04 PM #

    I am very much looking forward to this years ACCT. Last six years have been a roller coaster of player unrest in our program that finally ended this year with Gottfried turning the program into a “positive” environment. The player unrest showed its ugly self in Sendeks last year. He had a good team and they showed up at the ACCT with no heart, lack of effort, an ugly attitude, and the fans were all over them for it. Lowe never seem to get whatever negative funk that was happening out of our program and the loses have shown the result. So I am looking forward to this years Tournament with players that want to be here and compete for a title. Go Pack and I hope Calvin is tournament MVP!

  11. Packfan28 03/06/2012 at 1:16 PM #

    People say we cannot beat Carolina. I disagree. The last time they played, Gott and Lutz developed a perfect game plan to contain their bigs. It worked then and it will work now. The thing that will tip the scale to our side is the fact Kendall Marshall is incapable of having two hot shooting games in one year.

    Marshall was 4/5 from three, Wood was 1 for 6. Reverse that and we win the game.

  12. Texpack 03/06/2012 at 2:01 PM #

    Pyejam,
    I am now tied to refining and petrochem. Left the paper industry in ’03.

  13. Khan 03/06/2012 at 2:20 PM #

    “People say we cannot beat Carolina. I disagree. The last time they played, Gott and Lutz developed a perfect game plan to contain their bigs. It worked then and it will work now. The thing that will tip the scale to our side is the fact Kendall Marshall is incapable of having two hot shooting games in one year.

    Marshall was 4/5 from three, Wood was 1 for 6. Reverse that and we win the game.”

    This is exactly correct.

  14. Trout 03/06/2012 at 3:01 PM #

    “State won the first five ACC Tournament titles at home, in Reynolds Coliseum.”

    We won the first 3. UNC won the 4th, 1957, on the way to a perfect season and the NCAA title. Maryland won the 5th in 1958 and didnt win again until 1984. We won the 6th in 1959.

    So we won 4 of the first 6 ACCTs.

    EDIT: I probably read this wrong. You mean of the 10 ACC titles that NC State has won, we won the first 5 of them in Reynolds Coliseum.

  15. LRM 03/06/2012 at 3:14 PM #

    ^Yeah, nice catch. Should’ve been “its” not “the.” I blame whoever is supposed to be editing these things.

  16. TheAliasTroll 03/06/2012 at 3:19 PM #

    This was a great read, LRM.

  17. NCStatePride 03/06/2012 at 3:34 PM #

    Agreed. Great article, LRM. No further comment needed!

  18. backnine 03/06/2012 at 3:40 PM #

    Obviously our focus must be one BC first, and then on UVA. If we are lucky enough to survive until Saturday then we take our best shot and let the chips fall where they may with the selection committee. In that scenario we could really use an assist from Turgeon’s Terps in pulling a rabit out of their hat and knocking off the heels somehow. Honestly, UNC looks like too tall a test for them AND for us. We matchup worse with UNC than anyone else. It would take our A+ game combined with them having a C- game or worse. That and some level handed officiating. We aren’t likely to get either. Did I mention we just need to focus on BC right now.

  19. Trout 03/06/2012 at 4:13 PM #

    Yes, great read. Sorry about the correction – didnt mean to overshadow the overall great article!

  20. CaptainCraptacular 03/06/2012 at 6:02 PM #

    Another nit sorry –
    In ’74 heading into the ACCT 03/07/1974 the AP poll was as follows:
    State 1
    ND 2
    UCLA 3
    UMd 4
    Vandy 5
    UNC 6

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/AP?id=1974-03-05

    Good read btw

  21. MrPlywood 03/06/2012 at 6:52 PM #

    Survive and advance. That’s all I’m asking for on Thursday.

  22. blpack 03/06/2012 at 7:33 PM #

    We will win it next year. In the meantime we have to take care of BC. Great read!

  23. 61Packer 03/06/2012 at 8:03 PM #

    The best thing about our situation is that if we do make it far enough to face UNC, I believe we will have already punched our NCAA ticket. And being in that position, we wouldn’t have a thing to lose on Saturday and could focus on the thing that matters most- beating UNC when it would really hurt them the most. They’ve beaten us 13 in a row. We’ll be the hungrier team. We owe them big-time.

    And if by some chance we make it to Sunday, I would not want to have to play us. Duke, now without Kelly, would especially not want to see us again.

    Keep the faith.

  24. wolfie91 03/06/2012 at 9:25 PM #

    Must beat BC. I think that might be harder than it appears on paper.

  25. triadwolf 03/06/2012 at 11:05 PM #

    I hate playing teams we “should” beat in the ACC tourney; under previous coaches we definitely played better as an underdog. Hopefully this team is focused on the job at hand – beat BC. Right now there is nothing else to discuss; at 4:30 Thursday they can hopefully move on to the next job, UVA.

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