Time Heals All Knee Jerks

Raise your hand if, like me, you gave a loud “What the hell?” when Mark Gottfried was announced as the new Wolfpack men’s basketball coach nearly a year ago. I admit it – at this time a year ago, I was spending hours on the internet trolling for the scoop on who State would hire. Barnes didn’t want the job, Miller didn’t want the job, Smart didn’t want the job. When I heard the name Gottfried, my first knee-jerk reaction was that NC State had flubbed yet another basketball hire. I mean, this guy wasn’t even employed as a coach when we landed him!

Here we sit a year later and with the benefit of hindsight, it is clear that Mark Gottfried was the right choice to bring our beloved men’s basketball program back from the dead. I’m not saying that the man is the second coming of Everett Case, only time will tell that. But the clear improvement in the Wolfpack players between this year and last year can’t be ignored. This guy can coach and teach basketball.

The fact that so many of us were scratching our heads over Gottfried’s hire is another example of what I wrote (but then failed to actually practice) during the coaching search, Ya Gotta Know What Ya Don’t Know. If only I followed my own advice when I wrote;

There are a gazillion factors in hiring a major college basketball coach. And the great majority of those factors are things that the average fan doesn’t know by judging a win-loss record or watching games on television. We are making strong judgments based largely on perception.

Instead, I jerked my knee banging it so hard when I read that the choice was Gottfried. It turns out that the sky wasn’t falling and the Athletic Director Debbie Yow did actually know what she was doing in hiring Gottfried. Was he the first choice? No, but he was the right choice and clearly Yow had the professional expertise to make the right call. This is an expertise that I and certainly most other Wolfpack fans don’t have.

And those so-called “name” coaches we all wanted? Check out our StateFans Nation Forums for an update on coaches named Barnes, Miller and Turgeon who are now scheduling their tee times rather than basketball practice.

My knee has healed nicely, thanks for asking!

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SMD graduated from NC State at a time when beating UNC-CH in both major revenue sports was a regular occurrence. This was well before a time when I could express my frustrated attempts at being a writer on the "internets." When I'm not talking about the Pack, I'm probably arguing politics.

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60 Responses to Time Heals All Knee Jerks

  1. Daily Update 03/13/2012 at 1:05 PM #

    Also, going back to the end of Sid’s 4th year. Many people supported canning him immediately and some supported his return. I supported his return for several reasons:

    1. There was no obvious replacement to hire
    2. Keeping Sidney would have kept the recruiting class intact
    3. Allowed for us to get Debbie Yow in place since Fowler was technically still our AD
    4. Getting the recruits on campus would give the next coach a chance in his 1st season to make the NCAA tournament. Without Harrow, Brown, and Leslie we were looking at several years out(2014 and beyond) to realistically make the NCAA tournament.

    Some people say,”Never keep a coach for recruits”. I say, never say never. All situations are different and with the various factors in play, it made sense to give Sidney his 5th year. As it turned out keeping Sidney even knowing he wasn’t going to succeed in year 5 has actually led to faster turnaround than what would have been possible if he was fired after year 4(our mistake was not firing Sid after year 3).

  2. smithdl4 03/13/2012 at 1:07 PM #

    Like to hear anyone’s thoughts on this hypothesis. Coach Gottfried was DY’s target from the start. Here’s what I think happened. When we started the search for a coach if I recall DY held a press conference and talked about getting a coach with “West Coast” connections, a winner, etc,. Everyone at the time assumed guys like Montgomery or Few were her target. I believe if you re-look that presser she was describing Gott. When the fan base took off on Barnes, Miller, Donovan, Smart, and others she was in a pickle. She made some inquiries here and there to placate the fans then wrote the infamous letter to reduce expectations. Then she hired the guy she wanted from the start. Turns out so far it appears to be a great hire. Jury is still out though long term. If we’re still happy in year three with this staff then it was definitely a great hire. So, whadda ya think?

  3. packalum44 03/13/2012 at 1:08 PM #

    Speaking of Arizona, wonder if AZHat has made reservations to the NIT…

  4. PackMan97 03/13/2012 at 1:08 PM #

    njpack,

    for every bad end of game result…I’ll see you a St. Bonnies (the CJx2 prayer), Texas (great comeback), Princeton (Painter with the game winner), MD (closing it out at the line) and both games against Miami. I’m not saying we don’t have work to do but this is a great improvement over the past few seasons. Right now it’s very apparent that our guys play tight at the end of a game. The way to fix that is with more winning and more confidence.

  5. triadwolf 03/13/2012 at 1:16 PM #

    One big difference I see in Gott vs. Miller and Smart is that MG knows what it takes to build a basketball program at a major conference. I think Miller probably would have been fine, but I think Smart would have been in over his head at this point in his career. Of coarse Barnes and Donovan both have extensive experience running a major league basketball program. There’s plenty of good coaches that have come up through the ranks and then failed at the major program level; there are aspects to success that go well beyond coaching that don’t often get consideration.

    Time will tell, but so far MG passes the eye test for me. I don’t feel as if this season’s success is going to end up being a flash in the pan. My concern right now is this whole deal with the referees; I think he and DY need to push back, but I don’t want that to become our identity. Right now they’re walking that line and need to make sure it doesn’t consume them and cause them to lose focus on the bigger picture.

  6. JVM4PACK 03/13/2012 at 1:26 PM #

    “Triad” O agree with you on the ref situation, it does not need to be swept under the rug, but at the same time, NCSU does not need the “whiney ref” stigma either….albeit there is nothing wrong with the team/coaches/administration/fanbase wanting all games to be called fairly and consistently. Refs will make mistakes and miss calls in every game, but let the game flow, call what is necessary and do it on both ends

  7. Astral Rain 03/13/2012 at 1:29 PM #

    Credit needs to go to Debbie Yow. This was clearly a fallback choice if we couldn’t land a top-tier or star coach, and as fallback plans go, this one cashed out greatly.

    Gott deserves credit for making the most of the opportunity given here so far. We were a high-risk, insane-reward job. If Gott can get to the Final 4 here at some point, he’ll be a legend.

    That said, there’s still work to be done. I’m not going to be satisfied with an 11 seed next year.

  8. baxter 03/13/2012 at 1:32 PM #

    I was in the camp of “Who?”, then started trolling the internet and found his records, his offensive info, defensive info, etc. I told a buddy about 30 minutes afterwards that I liked the hire once I knew who he was exactly.

  9. nouveau wolf 03/13/2012 at 1:56 PM #

    I was, admittedly, a wee bit skeptical at first, though I was relieved the search was over. His numerous trips to the tourney with Murray St. and Alabama got me optimistic (after I did some research).

    But what really sold me was when one of his first orders of business was hiring a new strength and conditioning coach. I had a feeling that day that he had a plan and was going to execute it.

  10. YogiNC 03/13/2012 at 1:59 PM #

    I would have been OK with Smart, in retrospect though I doubt he would have been as successful in his first year here as MG has been. I said this yesterday on another thread, one thing that MG did that showed brilliant leadership IMO was who he hired as his assistants. Each one brings their own specialty and subject matter expert hat to the table. That takes being able to set your ego aside and let those you’re leading rise to the top. Not many head coaches would do that, certainly not in year one in a situation where EVERY eye is glued to you looking for results. These kids are still learning to win. They are still learning period. With Lowe we may have had a recruiter but we sorely lacked in teachers. This crew is full of all types of skills. End game situations takes time to fully develop. Even with that the best (Coach K) lost some this year that they normally wouldn’t lose. With a bit more experience we could have won the Cuse game, Indiana, Duke, Va, Clemson, and Stanford. Half of those would put us at 25 wins right now…lofty territory. The ones who sit back and say “well he did pretty good but…” But NOTHING.. he far surpassed all of our expectations, PERIOD. It took TOB 5 years to get to the same winning percentage. MG and staff TRANSFORMED this team. And I expect they will find a way to do it next year only better. I’d love to see then beat the holes by 33 the same way FSU did. And one other thing, I don’t foresee him taking off anytime soon. He wants to win and we want him to win, and he has the knowledge about how to make that happen.

  11. tjfoose1 03/13/2012 at 2:06 PM #

    All things considered, not the right choice… The PERFECT choice.

  12. Sweet jumper 03/13/2012 at 2:22 PM #

    I had a semi-wtf moment. I remembered his name from Alabama and remembered Alabama being ranked pretty high during parts of his tenure. Then I googled his name and reviewed his resume, and I felt better. Then I heard about the connection between him and DY, and I felt even better. Today I feel way better! Go Pack!!

  13. Pack Mentality 03/13/2012 at 2:35 PM #

    I think that this hire goes to prove what so many people already knew, and others were so adamantly arguing against with our last few coaches. You don’t need 4 years to get all your own recruits before a coach can be evaluated!

  14. Gene 03/13/2012 at 2:39 PM #

    My thoughts on Gottfrieds hire was, “didn’t he coach the Alabama teams we had a home-and-home series with, when Herb was the coach?”

    Yup. He was the coach.

    Herb thumped him in Tuscaloosa and he returned the favor in Raleigh.

    Given his above .500 record in Alabama, when not playing a Herb Sendek coached team, I figured it looks like a solid, if not spectacular hire.

    Someone who has had success, but had things fall apart on him as well. At least he won’t have the learning curve Sid had, when he took over.

    I’m genuinely impressed by how Gottried’s turned things around this year and the way we are playing basketball – physical and aggressive.

  15. gweedoh79 03/13/2012 at 2:45 PM #

    I think Gott deserves all the kind words he is receiving, but let us not overlook the job that the assistant coaches (especially Bobby Lutz) have done. Another kudo to Gott for hiring them.

  16. Ashman87 03/13/2012 at 2:48 PM #

    I think that this appears to be a good hire. However, year two will be very much revealing about where this program is. Remember that Les had State in the tournament in year one…..and we didn’t return until eleven years later.

  17. MrPlywood 03/13/2012 at 2:53 PM #

    I remembering hearing about the hire on the radio, and just caught a snippet while driving. I actually thought they had said “Gottlieb”, as in Doug. 🙂 That was a REAL WTH moment…

  18. NJpack 03/13/2012 at 3:20 PM #

    Noveau Wolf made an excellent comment I completely forgot about – hiring a new strength & conditioning coach was definitely one of the reasons we had a successful season. If the staff can only get Howell to avoid making silly reach fouls 18 ft from the basket, he can demonstrate his conditioning even more with increased minutes.

    By the way, getting to the NCAAT this year is even sweeter given the fact that Herb went 10-21 at ASU in his 6th year there. Nothing against the man personally, just that all announcers have to stop their talking point about “we were the school that ran off…..”

  19. ryebread 03/13/2012 at 3:22 PM #

    smithdl4: Nice hypothesis, but I think it is incorrect. Gott effectively said so during one of his early interviews.

    The letter was the letter. It was, IMHO, the worst move that Yow has made as AD that I know about. It was a PR gaff of epic proportions. I can still remember reading it and being absolutely sick to my stomach. I couldn’t even watch the second half of the title game after that came out. We’d inked the deal with Gott at that point, so this was how she effectively lowered expectations to announce him. Ugh.

    After the letter, Yow effectively pulled a Wellman by announcing the hiring an old friend. Fortunately for Yow, Gott seems to be better than Bzz.

    On to the original discussion, I’ll admit that I was one of the “WTF” screamers. I just looked back and here were my original thoughts:
    – Hide the coeds
    – Medicore conference record in the SEC + left last job in a scandal + had been out of coaching for a couple of years = risky hire
    – Good fast breaking coach whose teams played physical ball and rebounded well.
    – Poor defensive coach, who I remembered playing a lot of soft 2-3 at Alabama
    – The key was going to be to hire good assistants. We didn’t do that with Lowe.
    – We got Gott on the cheap (particularly compared to how much MD overpaid for Turg, how much we supposedly offered Smart and how much Gregg Marshall supposedly wanted), so we should have had money left over to hire a good staff.
    – Really needed to keep the team in tact. At the time I thought CJL was going pro (this was before the lock out), Harrow was transferring and that Wood might. If we had the kind of exodus that happened before SL fully came on board, then we’d have been looking for another coach in 3-5 years.
    – My expectations for year 1 were the NIT and for the years beyond that were top 5 finishes in the ACC, 5-11 seeds in the NCAAs, but no ACC regular season, ACC tournament or national titles.
    – No expectations on how he would or would not recruit. I really knew nothing about his recruiting.
    – Is he a high energy guy who blows his load and flames out?

    A year later I’d say the verdict is still out. Quick points to that:
    1) We exceeded my year one expectations and I’m very happy about our tournament appearance and the way we played our way in.
    2) We hired a great staff. Honestly, it’s the best one that I can personally remember at NC State.
    3) Lutz is a better coach than Les, HWSNBN or SL. We effectively have two, power conference head coaches on staff. The single most important thing will be effectively replacing him when he leaves. If I were Gott, I’d already be putting the feelers out. I’m hesitant to make any long term judgments until we see how Gott does without Lutz. Gott struggled in the past when he lost assistants. Is year one due to Gott or is year one due to Lutz?
    4) Bob Alejo did wonders in his first offseason. Let’s see more of that!
    5) UCLA offensive execution was much better that I’d expected in the half court.
    6) Fast break, rebounding and defense were all as I’d remembered.
    7) Year one recruiting haul was better than I could have possibly imagined.
    8) Team chemistry and player improvement was far better than I’d possibly imagined. This was the best year for both IMHO since V.
    9) Is he going to flame out? Verdict is still out.
    10) Can he every win any sort of title at NC State (regular seasons, tournament or NCAA tournament)? Verdict is still out.
    11) Hide the coeds? Verdict is still out.
    12) For those who don’t think the verdict is still out, think about what we thought we had after year 1 of SL, or if you are old enough, after year 1 of HWSNBN.

  20. waxhaw 03/13/2012 at 3:50 PM #

    There are two things about Gott which in retrospect are extremely valuable:

    1) He has a chip on his shoulder.
    2) He also has a ton of connections from ESPN.

    IMO, he is going to win big. There are going to be some major hurdles in the beginning as the “status quo” and “good old boy network” are going to fight against Debbie Yow, Gottfried and our success. However, I think we have a great team in place.

    We may look back on the hiring of Debbie Yow as the lynchpin to Wolfpack athletics coming out of a 20 year funk.

  21. Wufpacker 03/13/2012 at 4:06 PM #

    ^ Or said differently, breaking the cycle of AD suck that has been going on pretty much since Willis Casey.

  22. NJpack 03/13/2012 at 4:51 PM #

    Another reason to be excited for next year is the fact that Lee Fowler finally comes off the NC State payroll.

  23. ADVENTUROO 03/13/2012 at 5:02 PM #

    I will admit that I did not know anything about Coach Gottfried. I sent DY an email VERY late that night and told her that we were with her and that we knew she would come through. This was right AFTER the infamous letter. The letter and it’s appropriateness or inappropriateness has been beat to death. The tone of her email was positive and that she had a plan. I have been in a LOT of situations where million dollar decisions were on the line and quite frankly, I was running OUT of options, so I recognized the tone of her letter and email.

    She said in her email that she was working on a candidate that would knock the socks off of us and I responded positively.

    I don’t recall much of the next day, except she confirmed in an email that it was Coach Gottfried and we would be PROUD of him. By that time, I had already done enough reading to feel really positive about him.

    He handled himself well in the Presser. Since then, he has really stepped up in his handling of the media. The media and our own WP network has not tossed him softballs and he had been straight up and at ease with them. He also has a great sense of humor, and TIMING.

    I remember a silly Italian that we never heard of and he charmed us with his personality, but not his results. We gave him 3 years and WOW.

    Coach G has brought this team along and has brought in Bobby Lutz. Now, I did know of him. He is from my home county of NC and graduated from my arch rival. BUT, he is a heck of a coach and ball of fire.

    SO, we got some of the best coaches and talent and have a bunch more coming in. The future is bright. We also have Coach G. for 2 more years thanks to the NCAA Selection committee.

    GO PACK

  24. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/13/2012 at 5:57 PM #

    Coach Gott wasn’t Yow’s pick all along. Yow went after a bunch of coaches and struck out. She had 3 coaches she wanted on the Saturday of the Final Four- Smart, G. Marshall, and Cronin.

    Gott was going for the Utah job and lost out to Larry Krystowiak on the Sunday after the Final Four. The same day Smart was approached by NC State. Smart dissed State in a very public way saying he didn’t even know about the State job until Sunday. Smart was also attending his father’s (grandfathers ?) funeral.

    On the following Tuesday, as soon as Smart said no in public, Cronin pulled out and Marshall said no or was told he was no longer a candidate.

    That night Yow sent out a desperate email saying the search would continue for a while. Players were pissed and made it known via social media. Yow called her old friend that just lost out in Utah and the rest is history.

    Yow knew Gott had been vetted by Utah and didn’t have to do the full background check. On Wednesday, after the awful Yow email, Gott got the job… To stop the bleeding.

    It didn’t take me more than a few minutes watching YouTube to know that State may of found a diamond. But to say Gott was part of the plan all along is clearly rewriting history.

    Anyway, regardless of how Gott got to State, thank goodness he is in Raleigh. Valvano wasn’t State’s first choice either, he came after State was rejected by the Dematha High School coach. V took a contract for about 80K a year and the rest is history. (excuse me if I get a day wrong but I think the timeline is accurate)

  25. choppack1 03/13/2012 at 6:08 PM #

    The test with gott will be long term. He’s proven he can orchestrate a quick turnaround. Sustaining solid results will determine where he goes down in wolfpack lore.

    Very pleased with first year results though.

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