Referee Comparison by Conference

While watching the NCSU vs VT game I noticed there was a lack of flow to the game because of the constant whistles and foul calls. I have been watching a lot of non-ACC games (because ACC basketball is so ugly) and have noticed officials in those games seem to let them play and only call fouls when a distinct advantage is gained. This apparent discrepancy made me wonder if this is driven by the Atlantic Coast Cabal (acknowledgement to wolfpup76 for this rather clever moniker) or just pure chance.

The only way I could determine if there are differences between conferences was to look at officials that ref games in several leagues. So I looked at the top 30 officials (by number of games) and compared the ACC to the Big Ten, SEC and Big East to see if a ref changes the way he calls the game based on which conference he is in.

Here is a chart of what I found:

The far right column is the average Fouls Per Game (FPG) of the entire sample population or at least as close as I could come to it. What this shows is the ACC has more fouls called per game than the other three conferences. I could not determine a way to look at other calls (such as travel) so this is an inexact comparison but it does show there is a difference in how the game is called in the ACC.

Maybe the referees that do not call ACC games are slanting the statistics. So I removed any referees that had not called any ACC games. 

This shows even more of a spread. But what does this mean? Is it even important? In my opinion this is a contributor to the decline in ACC attendance”. It slows the game, more players are in foul trouble and the referees have a bigger impact on the game. I do not know if the ACC directs the refs calling ACC games to call it closer or if it based on the play in the league but there is definitely a difference.

About Rick

1992 and 2002 graduate from NCSU. Born and raised an NCSU fan. I remember the good ol' days and they weren't in the last 20 years.

ACC College Basketball Editor's Picks General

49 Responses to Referee Comparison by Conference

  1. Wulfpack 03/07/2012 at 4:04 PM #

    It is the coaches’ job to prepare a gameplan. It is the officials’ job to call the game in front of them. A foul in the Big East, Big 10 or SEC should be a foul in the ACC. Considering how many games these guys call, and the amount of travel involved, I’d much rather officials use their “preparation” time to get something good to eat and get some rest. Just my $.02.

  2. tdouble 03/07/2012 at 4:08 PM #

    Richard Howell fouls every possession and you guys claim conspiracy? Less talented teams have to foul to stop more talented, physical, more skilled teams. In this foul, ref blaming forum you guys have here, it appears talent, skill, size, coaching are not variables factored into the equation.

  3. Rick 03/07/2012 at 4:08 PM #

    “Why is it so hard to believe that they may or may not prepare differently -or said another way, prepare a different gameplan- for games from different conferences? Doesn’t seem like a huge leap from where I’m sitting.”

    Agreed. Each coach and team prepares differently for each game. How is this different?

  4. Rick 03/07/2012 at 4:10 PM #

    “Less talented teams have to foul to stop more talented, ”

    Great argument.

    Well except Duke is called for more fouls than 9 other ACC schools. Hey, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.

  5. tann84 03/07/2012 at 4:20 PM #

    “My point is, maybe the best teams tend to foul the least.”

    I would by this argument if the UNC team that went 8-20 and 16-16 still did not lead the conference is least fouls called against.

    They did, look at the data. UNC was a bad team in the 8-20 year yet they still manage to foul less than teams better than them.

    UNC was an average team 16-16 and yet they still manage to have the least amoutn of fouls called against them all year.

    Then add on the fact that their opponents are called for fouls at twice the rate UNC is you can clearly see that talent has nothing to do with fouls. It has to do with perception of the refs. The Refs see the light powder blue and assume that they don’t commit the fouls. It has to do with all of their ‘studying tendencies’ that they do.

    So your notion that the better teams simply foul less is just flat out wrong.

  6. TheAliasTroll 03/07/2012 at 4:21 PM #

    People must not be able to read and comprehend today.

    Tdouble, go to this link and sort by FPG (fouls per game)

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/stats?season=2011-2012&conf=&games=&stat=fouls_avg&stat_type=

    Here’s the top 12 teams in the country of least FPG:
    13.6 Mississippi State
    13.9 Siena
    14.1 Wisconsin
    14.1 Notre Dame
    14.1 California
    14.1 Missouri
    14.5 Kentucky
    14.7 North Carolina
    14.9 USC
    15.0 Western Illinois
    15.0 Stony Brook
    15.1 Harvard

    There is little in this list to support your general statement that “Less talented teams have to foul to stop more talented, physical, more skilled teams.”

    I would expect this list to closely mirror the top #10 AP poll if what you’re claiming were true.

  7. Wufpacker 03/07/2012 at 4:22 PM #

    “In this foul, ref blaming forum you guys have here, it appears talent, skill, size, coaching are not variables factored into the equation.”

    Yeah, ’cause we NEVER talk about any of those other things.

  8. Rick 03/07/2012 at 4:32 PM #

    “14.1 Wisconsin”

    That is almost unbelievable. They seem to beat the crap out of their opponents.

  9. Rick 03/07/2012 at 4:33 PM #

    “There is little in this list to support your general statement that “Less talented teams have to foul to stop more talented, physical, more skilled teams.””

    They seem bent on believing what they want to believe and darn any proof against their argument.

  10. TheAliasTroll 03/07/2012 at 5:34 PM #

    Their ridiculously slow tempo is the reason Wisconsin is on that list. You know, the opposite of UNC’s tempo.

  11. Hungwolf 03/07/2012 at 6:04 PM #

    The ACC is a guard conference and the way games are called in our conference scares off big men recruits. Big East, Big Ten, and SEC loaded with big men that are beasts and the refs let them play. Part of the Downfall of ACC is that the conference does not get the bigs that other conferences get due to they not allowed to play unless they going to UNC and even then “the word” is many recruits feel you better have the same color skin as Montross, Hans, and Zeller to have the refs on your side.

  12. wufpup76 03/07/2012 at 7:36 PM #

    Thank you, Mr. Rick.

    And thanks for doing this research.

  13. 61Packer 03/07/2012 at 8:49 PM #

    I remember watching Big East games on tv every Monday night when we first started getting out-of-area games in the late 1970s and early 1980s. They played rough then, but when we started playing more of those teams in the 80s and 1990s, I remember saying that I’d never seen such dirty teams come into Reynolds. Playing the John Thompson style of game, those teams absolutely mugged us every time we played them.

    With the ACC now absorbing the Big East, we’ll become even more of an East Coast style conference. Thank God Georgetown doesn’t have a major football program.

  14. TheCOWDOG 03/07/2012 at 9:18 PM #

    Thanks Rick…

    The NCAA keeps a PF per possession that I linked on the site once.

    I’m quite certain that if we did the per possession thing that Rick did with per game, it would reflect the same type numbers.

    Wuf brought it up first, so I tip the cap to him. There is absolutely no doubt that the ” game preparation ” ironically touted by Clougherty, is the first key here.

    The tone of officiating is set by the commissions ( not Commish ) of each league.

    I watch, and there really and truly is no one more responsible for the shitty officiating that comes out of the ACC than Clougherty himself.

    BTW…If one thinks that Hess’s no show at the ACCT was a voluntary move, or an ACC edict of it’s own volition, is dreaming in 85EE and Stillawhatever land.

    Told ya so.

  15. TheCOWDOG 03/07/2012 at 9:45 PM #

    The tone is set by the commissions of the ACC. I didn’t say commissioner.

    Clougherty, in his unknowingly revealing statements, makes it very clear.

    The stats that Rick, ( thanks ) provided, pretty much confirm what Wuf said.

    ACC officiating is conditioned, and for my money, Clougherty is the conditioner.

    The NCAA keeps a running track of fouls per possession, and I’m confident enough that Rick’s table would hold up there, and probably show a larger spread.

    BTW…if one supposes Hess’s absence from the ACCT as voluntary, or perhaps the conference acting out of it’s own volition, is dreaming in 85EE and Stillawhatever land.

    Told ya so a couple weeks ago.

  16. choppack1 03/07/2012 at 9:53 PM #

    Bet you guys didn’t know this but notre dame has been the most talented in the big east. You learn something new every day.

  17. GAWolf 03/07/2012 at 10:23 PM #

    I think what Lumpy is saying is that The ACC is to college basketball what soccer is to sports.

    Also, what in the he’ll did we ever do to Clougherty to earn his disfavor? His two sons played baseball at State and Pat was even an assistant under Tanner just prior to Tanner bolting for USC which led to Avent being brought back from New Mexico.

    Is that it? Tanner and Daddy Clougherty were such friends that our admittedly failure to give Tanner what he needed to succeed here set off a chain of events that to this day is causing ACC referees to black ball us?

  18. choppack1 03/07/2012 at 10:54 PM #

    Ga….I can’t explain it other than to say that the bias is out there and its hurting the game.

    Part of the problem is that in basketball there is a foul on every possession.

    Heck, we all saw how hansborogh played…but if you start out with a core belief that the heels don’t foul much, you aren’t much different than the average fan

  19. highstick 03/07/2012 at 11:09 PM #

    It’s a freakish game now and one of the reasons that I’ve lost interest.. Play by the danged rulebook or call it something other than basketball!

  20. tdouble 03/07/2012 at 11:47 PM #

    Love the Fouls per game stat from the self proclaimed troll. Did you look at teams on that list? Most of them are decent. USC, Siena and Weat IL are the only terrible teams. Stony Brook won their conference, Miss St is 21-10. Looks like not fouling all the time is a good strategy, teams should try it.

  21. Akula Wolf 03/08/2012 at 12:33 AM #

    Style can significantly affect foul rates, and I think that’s been overlooked here. Some schools, like Notre Dame or Wisconsin or UConn or, yes, Carolina, take fewer risks defensively and as a result force fewer turnovers, but also commit fewer fouls. (Except Ohio State. But Thad Matta is apparently some sort of magician.)

    It is really tough to separate the overall effect of league playing style from potential officiating bias. There certainly isn’t anything to conclude from one year’s worth of data that isn’t even pace adjusted. I’m not saying biases don’t exist, or that preconceived notions don’t have an impact. We’re dealing with human beings, and everyone’s susceptible to confirmation bias, including our ref bros. But this is not the way to go about proving the case one way or the other.

  22. Wufpacker 03/08/2012 at 4:22 AM #

    “Is that it? Tanner and Daddy Clougherty were such friends that our admittedly failure to give Tanner what he needed to succeed here set off a chain of events that to this day is causing ACC referees to black ball us?”

    It’s clear now. One of us has to go back in time and kill Sarah Connor.

  23. Rick 03/08/2012 at 8:09 AM #

    “Some schools, like Notre Dame or Wisconsin or UConn or, yes, Carolina, take fewer risks defensively”

    That is bull crap. UNC is top ten in blocks and offensive rebounds and top 100 in steals. They are simply allowed to be more aggressive than anyone else.

  24. Whiteshoes67 03/08/2012 at 1:37 PM #

    Why is this still being talked about? The variables of what makes a team a better defensive team than another are many. That UNC blocks more shots doesn’t mean that they’re more aggressive, or even better defensively. Plenty of coaches would tell you that blocks aren’t even a good indicator of a good defensive team. If anything, it means their guards aren’t that solid defensively and allow penetration. Their bigs are freakishly long and clean up a lot of blocks. So what. All it says is that there’s an ACC culture of inconsistency, or just plain bad officiating, and that the commissioner of officials emphasizes different things than other conferences. It’s like an umpire who has a wider strike zone. Quit whining about the refs.

Leave a Reply