Karl Hess tosses NC State legends out of the game [4:50 pm Update]


In another slap in the face to NC State, one of the “top” ACC officials decided to throw Tom Gugliotta and Chris Corchiani out of the basketball game.

Welcome to another example of how awful the Atlantic Coast Conference has become and little league officials value NC State and our heritage and history.

Can you ever imagine Michael Jordan being kicked out of a game at the Dean Dome? Or Christian Laettner getting kicked out of a game at Cameron?

Today Karl Hess took his insanity one step further and joined the NC State officiating Hall of Fame alongside legends like Rick Hartzell, Larry Rose, Roger Ayers, Lou Bello, John Clougherty (at Maryland in 2000) and many, many others when he chose to eject NC State legends Tom Gugliotta and Chris Corchiani from the RBC Center in front of 16,000 fans and a regional television audience. Pack Pride is reporting that Hess apparently asked security to eject a student a few plays earlier for saying “You Suck,” but was told that isn’t enough of a reason.

In my opinion, the first amendment of the US Constitution provides that there is almost there NOTHING that a fan can say at a game that should warrant an ejection by an official – absent credible threats of physical violence or attempts at starting violence. Since the game ended, Corchiani and Gugliotta have stated that they did not even utter an ounce of profanity.

[4:20pm Update] As I was writing that^ exact paragraph, the national blog, Deadspin was agreeing with me and posted the following comments in this entry.

Retired NBA star Tom Gugliotta was ejected by referee Karl Hess in the second half of of North Carolina State’s home loss to Florida State today.

We don’t know yet what it was Googs said to get the thumb, but CBS’s Matt Norlander reports the former Wolfpack star (along with another former NBA player and NCSU alum Chris Corchiani) was ejected by Hess.

RBC Center is owned by a public corporation, and North Carolina State is a public school. Thus, free speech rules apply. Unless Gugliotta was threatening to commit a crime or engaging in speech that could injure others (i.e. “Fire!”) he has the right to sit there and say anything he wants. It’s protected speech. [ACC Network]

Since the game ended, Corchiani tweeted the following from his account @Chris_Corchiani:

Karl”rabbit ears” Hess didn’t like the fact Googs and I told him he was having a bad day, inconsistent, and telling the truth. #horribleness

..and, since all of this has been written…we ran across the following comments from “SeaBarrister” on Pack Pride’s message forums:

I believe there may be 1st Amendment issue here… (I’ve been thinking about this ever since the Presby fan was thrown out of the Dean Dome.)

Googs and Corch were removed by an RPD police officer who was exercising the police power of the state (due either to the fact that he was executing duties in his role as a law enforcement officer, or as an agent of the state contracting to a state institution – NC State). The RBC (or PNC) Center is at least a limited public forum for speech (the state even provides “cheer” leaders). Throwing out a patron based on what was said, is a content based restriction of speech (at best) or a viewpoint non-neutral restriction at worst. (is it all commentary on officiating, or just negative commentary that will get you tossed). As such the restriction must survive a strict scrutiny analysis to be valid (threats, “fire” in a crowded building, etc.. would pass such scrutiny, “Karl Hess, you ******* suck” would not.)

Certainly the offending behavior is not about the colorful language, else Coach K would never make it to the first TV timeout – neither would most players for that matter.

The only remaining question is whether or not a patron waives his first amendment rights by utilizing the “seat license.” I’m certain that the school officials believe that he does, but I’m not so sure. First, the freedom of speech is a fundamental right and may not be waivable at all. Second, if there is an ability to waive these rights, it seems that such a waiver must be expressly granted. I’m sure that you wont find a signed document from Corch or Googs (or the Presby Fan) that indicates their agreement not to tell Karl Hess what a ******-nozzle he is.

If I were @Mark_Gottfried and Debbie Yow, the following steps would be taken

(1) @Chris_Corchiani and Googs would have their asses in those EXACT SEATS for the last two games of the season if not all of next season.

(2) A review of free speech policies and security responsibilities of the RBC Staff and Raleigh Police Department will be had.

(3) Karl Hess would never be allowed to officiate another NC State basketball game. Period. Ever. Anywhere. We simply DO NOT take the court if Hess is assigned to the court. If John Swofford doesn’t like it, then we will force the issue.

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184 Responses to Karl Hess tosses NC State legends out of the game [4:50 pm Update]

  1. tjfoose1 02/18/2012 at 6:28 PM #

    74wolf Says:
    February 18th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    I’m sure the BS chant usually originates in the student section. Expecting ADULTS to behave with a modicum of class is unrealistic?

    Which has absolutely nothing to do with BJDs comment or your original retort to it. Absolutely NOTHING. See, I can use CAPS too.

    Get proven wrong, so you change the argument. Is your name Karl Hess?

  2. Rochester 02/18/2012 at 6:29 PM #

    Word in that Rodney Monroe has just been kicked out of his house by Karl Hess. Details at 11.

  3. Wufpacker 02/18/2012 at 6:29 PM #

    “Expecting ADULTS to behave with a modicum of class is unrealistic?”

    Expecting one or two, or even a small group of adults, to behave as adults is not unrealistic. To expect a large group of emotionally charged people to act with the same restraint? Many of whom have likely indulged with libations? Yes, that is unrealistic.

    And immaterial to the subject at hand.

  4. 74wolf 02/18/2012 at 6:29 PM #

    tjfoose1, what part of New Jersey are you from?

  5. Tampa-Pack 02/18/2012 at 6:31 PM #

    Guys, Hess was just reviewing those former players tendencies before the game, it was a ejection he had to call.

    F*uckin B*llsh*t!. If I’m Yow, a Fed-Ex package goes out Monday AM with NC State marketing material and an application to the SEC. We could even throw in a check up front for any entrance fees, etc.

    This week has killed the ACC for me…

  6. tjfoose1 02/18/2012 at 6:32 PM #

    Haha.. not that’s funny, 74Wolf.

    Never lived in Jersey, rarely use profanity, including sporting venues. But I have eyes and ears, and can acknowledge realities, such as profanity is often used at sporting events. An acknowledgment is not an endorsed approval.

  7. wolfpackdawg 02/18/2012 at 6:32 PM #

    You guy’s really think the Swofford gives a SHIT? It’s a complete waste of time to think he would ever do anything. DY would be wasting her time.

  8. LRM 02/18/2012 at 6:33 PM #

    Karl Hess has a long history of making games about him.

    And John Clougherty has a long history of ignoring it.

  9. GAWolf 02/18/2012 at 6:34 PM #

    Clougharty is Pat’s father, correct? What on earth have we done to his son(s) for him to hate us so?

  10. runwiththepack 02/18/2012 at 6:35 PM #

    As the ref’s action shows, we, as State fans, must know our place. Only the elite of the ACC can bend, or break, the rules without the full force of the authorities coming down on them.

    Maybe coach K will weigh in on this.

  11. redcanine 02/18/2012 at 6:35 PM #

    Tell me if I’m understanding this correctly. Hess goes over to the cop during a stoppage in play, points Gugs and Corch out, and goes back to business. Next dead ball, he walks over to our legends and ejects them from the game with assistance from the cop. Is that right?

    So what provokes this dismissal? Obviously nothing. That D-bag had his mind made up well in advance.

  12. 74wolf 02/18/2012 at 6:37 PM #

    Well, I actually agree with you, foose. I acknowledge the reality, but believe the profanity detracts from the atmosphere, and makes it difficult for a lot of parents to expose their kids or grandkids to the excitement of the event. This is my point.
    Sorry if I come across as an old throwback…

  13. TheCOWDOG 02/18/2012 at 6:38 PM #

    BTW, that Coke cup and ice thrown on the court at Reynold’s ?

    The one where Sloan picked up the mike ?

    That was my best friend, Neill. I was sittin’ right next to him…it was mostly bourbon, though.

    I got his dumbass out before security could.

    1975 , but I can’t remember if it was against Maryland or UNx. I think Maryland.

  14. Chucks Chesticles 02/18/2012 at 6:38 PM #

    Never seen anything like this.

    To be honest though, it’s just another day of being a State fan…

  15. LRM 02/18/2012 at 6:39 PM #

    You’ll notice Fire’s daughter stood up and said “C’mon!” She should’ve been tossed, too. Quite the double standard, Hess.

    Personally, I don’t think putting “legends” before their names makes this anymore wrong than if it was an average, lowly fan like me or you.

    And you notice they both left without any kind of incident, which hardly implies they were out of control.

  16. Wufpacker 02/18/2012 at 6:39 PM #

    Yeah, Cowdog. It was your “friend” that launched the cup.

  17. Wolf74 02/18/2012 at 6:40 PM #

    I emailed Debbie Yow, primarily about the shove of Lo Brown. That is a dangerous precedence. You allow that to go on and sometime the player is going to retaliate. You do not want that under any circumstance. That ref has to be banded. Not only did the scab miss the trip of Brown that caused him to lose the ball but he SHOVED him!

    She said she was working on it.

  18. wolfpack95 02/18/2012 at 6:42 PM #

    Having worked with Ray Natili, that guy is a piece of ….work.
    He is also a Duke fan. (His office was adorned with their stuff.)

  19. tuckerdorm1983 02/18/2012 at 6:44 PM #

    I went to a FSU UNC football game many years ago. Behind me sat four fellows from FSU with coneheads on a E-S-P-N on their chests. They were terribly intoxicated. I mean hammered. I have never heard such vulgar and foul language at any sporting event. There were security everywhere and we were just a few rows up from the field. No one ever did a thing. I give them two thumbs up on profanity and vulgarity. They were geniuses. I must admit I did feel a little awkward for others sitting nearby, but I was still LMAO the whole way. If that won’t get you ejected, won’t nothing get you ejected. They were describing the ref committing sex acts with when barnyard animals in the most explicit and graphic details imaginable. That was just the beginning.

  20. LRM 02/18/2012 at 6:45 PM #

    I bet with every email Yow gets today she’s wondering why on earth she took this job.

  21. Wufpacker 02/18/2012 at 6:46 PM #

    Had to laugh at the first line of the AP article about the game…

    “RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) – C.J. Leslie says North Carolina State wasn’t mentally there against No. 20 Florida State. By the end of it, former Wolfpack stars Tom Gugliotta and Chris Corchiani weren’t there physically, either.”

    Would love to see DT (and all other former players as well) show up to the Carolina game wearing T-shirts that say “We DARE you to throw us out”.

  22. Ed89 02/18/2012 at 6:48 PM #

    ^^He is also a Duke fan. (His office was adorned with their stuff.)

    This is what kills me about the ACC officiating. It is blatant! How can we let it happen? I have seen Natili work several of State’s games…and while not as bad as Hess, he’s also blantantly anti-State. Truthfully, some of the dumb-a$$es just aren’t that good at “hiding” it…Ayers, Hess, Natili, Kersey…

  23. TheCOWDOG 02/18/2012 at 6:48 PM #

    Uhhh…that’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it, there Wuf.

    If I woulda’ thrown it, it would have hit it’s intended target.

  24. BJD95 02/18/2012 at 6:48 PM #

    Totally agree 74. That’s appalling behavior. Not like a fight was imminent or the game had been particularly tense.

  25. EdMar 02/18/2012 at 6:51 PM #

    After the disaster at Duke and the hard time I had going to sleep Thursday night, I do not know if my blood pressure or my sanity would have taken this other chapter in the saga called NC State Basketball. I’m glad I chose to play golf on a beautiful and sunny 60° day in Winston-Salem.

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