ACC’s so called ‘statement’ another slap in the face to NC State (10:10pm)

Why did they f***ing bother? In this statement the conference weasels its way into even more disdain from fans focusing on Karl Hess’ authority to remove Chris Corchiani and Tom Gugliotta, while completely ignoring his controversial judgement to do so.

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Feb. 18, 2012

Statement from ACC Supervisor of Officials John Clougherty on the ejection that took place at today’s Florida State at NC State men’s basketball game:

“Under Rule 10, when circumstances warrant, an official has the authority to request home game management to eject fans when the behavior, in the officials’ judgement, is extreme or excessive. It’s unfortunate in this instance that ACC protocol of communicating directly with the home game management was not followed, and instead, a building security officer was solicited. We will re-communicate this policy with all officials to ensure proper protocol is followed.”

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Sadly, one of the best explanations of the statement came from the twitter account of a UNC fan:

So, instead of “Hess was wrong to throw them out,” the ACC’s position is “Hess threw them out wrong”?

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Another Tar heel homer also agreed when WRAL’s @ErinESummers used the following description of the statement:

ACC stands behind Hess and does not question/comment on his judgment to eject Corch, Gugs but instead comments on how it was done improperly

She also seems to agree with all of WolfpackNation’s characteristic of this farse –

that’s the official release and it is absolutely lame

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So…after the ACC has had a chance to comment on the issue, the primary question still remains — EXACTLY WHY did Karl Hess have Corchiani and Gugliotta removed today? Corch & Googs have taken the stance to go on the record to publicly state that no curse words were used or threatening statements. This account of the situation seems to have been corroborated by multiple eye-witness accounts of people on press row and around the incident.

So, WHY is the ACC and Karl Hess not expected to be held accountable to explain the specifics of the situation that Hess CHOSE to initiate?

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I will ask the same question that was being asked on the blog on Thursday night — why do NC State fans, leaders and administrators CONTINUE to participate in an affiliation that is so dis-respectful and slanted against us? Why do we keep fooling ourselves into believing that we are a part of anything less rigged than professional wrestling at this point?

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155 Responses to ACC’s so called ‘statement’ another slap in the face to NC State (10:10pm)

  1. BJD95 02/19/2012 at 9:54 AM #

    It would be pretty badass for the team to go through lineup introductions on Tuesday, then shake the Holes’ hands (it’s not the student athletes’ fault) and walk off the court to a deafening roar of applause. Followed, of course, by even more deafening chants of “SEC!!!”

    Oh well, a man can dream, can’t he?

  2. graywolf 02/19/2012 at 9:55 AM #

    ED89 :”Follow Texas A&M’s lead…!

    They put up with the Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas Bull$#!t for long enough, and said screw you. We need to follow their lead.”

    Exactly

  3. wolfmanmat 02/19/2012 at 9:59 AM #

    Yea, the refs favor UNC. I agree with that. But, the reason Duke and UNC are top programs is talent and consistency, not just paying the refs and media. Duke has had Coach k forever and he’s a proven winner and been there forever. He built it from nothing too…Kids know that if they go to Duke they are going to win and Coach K will be there. Roy is the same. He won at Kansas and wins at UNC. Kids know if they go to UNC they are going to win and Roy will be there. It’s not the ACC conspiracy that made our program irrelevant(up until Gott who has 3 McDs now). It was BAD hires by the administration(Fowler). Sendek and Sid where bad hires. No current player wants to play in Sendeks Princeton offense and Sid was just a terrible coach. If a recruit picked State in the last 15-20 years they were taking a gamble that 1. the team may not win 2. their coach may not be there 4 years. Les was a bad coach too(just so we mention them all). Having no positive consistency since firing Jimmy v is what led us to where we are. I’ll use Maryland and Wake as an example. With Gary and Skip they were consistent and they won. They competed and beat Duke and UNC. With good coaching, consistency and talent anybody can win. To think that the SEC is different(Kentucky is the UNC in that conference and Florida is the Duke) is not accurate. To think the Big East is different(UConn, Cuse, GTown are the Duke and UNC) is not accurate. fact is all teams that we associate with winning programs have talent and consistency(Calhoun/Boeheim/Roy/K/Cal/Don). kids know what they are getting into when they attend those schools and to be fair, they haven’t known what they are getting at State the last 20 years. Gott will change that and has the program progressing, but it is clear right now that the talent at State is not the same as UNC/Duke. we have 1 guy that can create(Zo) and 1 guy that can shoot, but we have nobody that can do both(despite Painters attempts to shoot from 18ft). We are maybe 7 deep and have 2 guys in Howell and Leslie that will pick up fouls(and stipid ones at that). These are the reasons this team is losing. Next year, we add 2 studs and a great 4 year PG. It should only be looking up for us.

  4. BJD95 02/19/2012 at 10:00 AM #

    Once I’m on board with a front office conspiracy, then almost everybody is on board. And it has happened before – just ask our brothers in land grantedness (Texas A-M). They landed on their feet. So will we.

    Beside that, there’s the old saying – I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

    The time for kneeling is over. The solution is crystal clear.

  5. tvopack 02/19/2012 at 10:04 AM #

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  6. tvopack 02/19/2012 at 10:07 AM #

    stillapackfan, you probably should change you userid because you are not. Our former players got ejected. This is an outrage, not whining.

  7. buclark 02/19/2012 at 10:09 AM #

    Wolfmanmat is exactly right about why Duke and UNC are on top in BB, however as a 1969 ncsu grad and the son of a 1949 ncsu grad and an acc fan all my life, I now think it is time to explore our options if we have any. This would NEVER happen at cameron or the dean dome, and to not have any explanation about exactly what these fine ncsu former athletes did is insulting. If we have reasonable options, I think it is time to explore them.

  8. redwolf87 02/19/2012 at 10:09 AM #

    ACC college basketball has morphed from a rich and unsurpassed tradition to the equivalent of professional wrestling. It is a complete and utter joke.

    Swofford and Clougherty are counting on this to die in the news cycle. It’s our job to make sure it doesn’t. We CANNOT let this go this time. Stay fired up.

  9. Jediwolf 02/19/2012 at 10:11 AM #

    Best thing we can do is beat the heels on Tuesday and at the 6:38 mark Gott needs to throw ol Roy out of the game.

  10. WilmyWolf 02/19/2012 at 10:11 AM #

    @ stillapackfan-

    this has NOTHING to do with in-game, outcome-altering officiating

    there are 3 very seperate issues that came up yesterday:

    1- FSU curb stomped us, and it had nothing to do with any calls made or not made. Just as many missed/bad calls in that game as there are in every game. The loss is on the team.

    2- Karl Hess has a very severe inferiority complex, and crossed a major line. No one should be surprised here.

    3- The ACC showed a massive lack of respect for our program and our history when it refused to give a reason why 2 of the league’s 50 best players were ejected from their home arena. THIS is the real issue

  11. Wulfpack 02/19/2012 at 10:14 AM #

    Stating the reasons why UNC and Duke have been supreme on the hardwood do not speak to the utter disrespect we received in our house yesterday. Just because they are good does not mean we should receive unfair treatment. It was a clear and admitted violation of ACC rules and everyone in the world knows it was very wrong. Worse, we were fed an insufficient response from the league office after they had been notified of our collective displeasure from our AD. We have zero respect. Zero. If that is not clear to you, then nothing will be.

  12. JimmytheSaint 02/19/2012 at 10:19 AM #

    Wolfmanmat, you’d better watch it. You might get in trouble for posting opinions that are reasoned and well thought out.

  13. choppack1 02/19/2012 at 10:27 AM #

    Mark my words, rbc security will be in full crackdown mode Tuesday. I imagine the security will be tighter than ever. Remember, security played a role in this too.

  14. Dogbreath 02/19/2012 at 10:27 AM #

    This is what happens when you run a conference like a country club, instead of the 100+ million dollar business that it is.

    Propping up UNC and Duke at the expense of other league members, then sitting back to watch the dough roll in is the easy, lazy way to go about business.

    To see the right approach, look at the SEC by comparison. They have business people running their conference. They understand how to build and develop the brand.

    The SEC is a brand. The ACC is not.

    The only thing swofford is concerned about is whose picking up the tab on tonights steak dinner and which label scotch he’ll be drinking.

  15. runwiththepack 02/19/2012 at 10:28 AM #

    The poor play NCSU team showed was their worst all year – even worse than the GA Tech game. (GA Tech was just plain HOT last month when they came to RAleigh).

    But it has nothing to do with the ref throwing out Googs&Corch. I really doubt that getting A-A players will change the bias, either. The blues will still effectively get 10 points added to their scores via officiating. Getting our own A-A’s will win a lot more games, but we will always have to play against a 6-man opponent lineup until the notion of blue superiority fades. Don’t hold your breath.

    The refs seemed to worry too much about showing NCSU players and fans who is boss. Hess: “Oh yeah, NCSU? Don’t like my officiating? Well, watch me now. You’re going to learn your place.”

  16. packer74 02/19/2012 at 10:30 AM #

    The student section at the UNC game should all be wearing a mask with Hess’s picture with the word SUSPEND on it.

  17. redcanine 02/19/2012 at 10:36 AM #

    I’m bringing my BB gun on Tuesday. I may even shoot at a few wearing light blue. However, I may have to think twice about passionately cheering for my beloved Wolfpack. Oh hell, who am I kidding? I’m safe, my jersey isn’t hanging from the rafters.

  18. wolfpackdawg 02/19/2012 at 10:48 AM #

    The Holes might hang 40 on us if we have given up.

  19. wolfmanmat 02/19/2012 at 11:07 AM #

    The SEC in basketball is no more a brand than the ACC(now, football is completely different but we are talking basketball here). Kentucky is the school that the SEC sells…it’s no different than the ACC with UNC/Duke. We just don’t see it as readily because UNC is right down the street and Kentucky is not. The fact is ALL conferences sell their winners and sell their largest fan bases. They aren’t selling basketball in South Carolina/Georgia/Auburn/Bama/even Tennessee post Pearl. They sell UK because the rest of the schools fans could give a crap about basketball. They are all football focused schools.

  20. Wufpacker 02/19/2012 at 11:15 AM #

    (deleted original post so no need to humor him with quotes… your response is valid and will stand)

    Just….wow. You do realize that crowds have been doing outrageous things at sporting events for a while now….right? Are you just throwing out random statements (which may or may not be grounded in reality) just to “poke the bear”, as it were?

  21. IMFletcherWolf 02/19/2012 at 11:19 AM #

    Things could get interesting Tuesday night …

  22. patientwuf 02/19/2012 at 11:29 AM #

    I have no problem marketing your winners. We need biased representation. There is no partnership in the ACC anymore. If you think this uproar is about officiating then you haven’t been paying attention to whats going on the ACC. Swofford needs to go or we leave. That simple.

  23. tjfoose1 02/19/2012 at 1:19 PM #

    “Get all the “state”, “A&M”, old bible colleges, and “tech” schools to form a new conference. WFU, FSU, GT, NCSU, VT, MS St. LSU, and Liberty. Just threw that last one in there…”

    Funny… Hess played basketball at Liberty. Actually, I think he is listed as a “legend”, or in their Hall of Fame, or something like that.

    Maybe that explains his demeanor. He might have had false illusions of post grad athletic grandeur and turned bitter with his failure.

  24. GoldenChain 02/19/2012 at 1:33 PM #

    I agree with wolfmat, if you feel the need to change don’t do it because of this incident. That would be kindof immature.

    Another question: How do you Gott and the 3 McD’s AA would feel about us changing conferences? Or did they specifically decide to come to State BECAUSE of the ACC/unx/Duke rivalries?

    Like I sad before, use this as leverage to change the basketball officiating culture.

  25. MrPlywood 02/19/2012 at 5:19 PM #

    I just noticed this article on ESPN.com, about an incident involving Jeremy Lin of the Knicks. Evidently there were “three offensive and inappropriate comments made on ESPN outlets during our coverage of Jeremy Lin.”

    The article continues:
    ” We have engaged in a thorough review of all three and have taken the following action:

    • The ESPN employee responsible for our Mobile headline has been dismissed.

    • The ESPNEWS anchor has been suspended for 30 days.

    • The radio commentator is not an ESPN employee.

    We again apologize, especially to Mr. Lin. His accomplishments are a source of great pride to the Asian-American community, including the Asian-American employees at ESPN. Through self-examination, improved editorial practices and controls, and response to constructive criticism, we will be better in the future.”

    Now THAT’s how you handle a sticky issue. The ACC should take note. Sanction, suspend or fire Hess, apologize to Gugs, Corch, the NCSU team, admin and fans. And mean it.

    http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7591778/espn-statement-offensive-jeremy-lin-comments

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