ACC Halfway Review

Since State has reached the half-way point of its ACC season, I thought we would take another look around the ACC and summarize where everyone is. Here are the ACC standings, RPI rankings, and performance versus RPI Top-50 after Wednesday’s games.

Bubble definitions justified here.

If you went back and compared these standings to those just before the ACC season started, you would see that VT and FSU swapped places and not much else has changed. For today’s closer look, the bottom half of the conference isn’t worth discussing and I don’t want to talk about the Blues, so that leaves four teams to discuss:

FSU

With just a quick look at the various schedules, FSU looks like it is in the running for the toughest ACC schedule this year. Even if I’m wrong, they have quite the remaining schedule: Duke, UVA (2x), UM (2x), and NCSU…which means that FSU only has three games against the bottom half of the ACC over their last nine ACC games.

If you ignore FSU’s (ie Leonard Hamilton’s) history, then you would conclude that FSU had a chance to really pump up their RPI since most of their remaining schedule is against good, but not great teams. Time will tell how well they do, but with wins over UNC and Duke they should be in a position that they could coast into the NCAAT.

UVA

Their ACC schedule ranks among the easiest to date and their OOC schedule was no great shakes since they have only played two games so far against RPI Top 50 teams. Their win against Michigan in the ACC/B10 challenge is really nice, but it’s starting to get a little lonely.

Finishing up the year, UVA plays UNC and FSU twice. They could lose all four and still have a pretty good ACC record….but they wouldn’t like where that would land them.

Miami

Based on past experience, I keep expecting Miami to wither away. They don’t have any Top 50 wins, but they have played a reasonably good schedule and the loss to State is their worst so far. So how good (or how bad) Miami does is completely up to them.

I believe that for the vast majority of teams, you are who you record says you are. Their remaining games @ Duke, @FSU, and UNC will pretty much define who they are.

State

You would need a mighty precise micrometer to tell the difference between State and Miami at this point in the season. State has the head-to-head win over UM, but that means exactly nothing when it comes to Selection Sunday. The three game stretch against UNC, FSU, and Duke will pretty much define who State is this year.

State’s position with respect to the NCAAT Bubble has gotten a lot of discussion going on both the main blog and in the forums. I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the vast majority of the comments showing that most posters here are basing their comments on reality as opposed to the delusional rants that so often appear on the internet. My guess is that a regular season win against one of the top three teams and then an ACCT win on Friday against either FSU or UVA (along with plenty of wins against the bottom half of the ACC) would be the minimum resume to feel good about Selection Sunday.

Overall, I have been pleased by the obvious improvement over the last several years. The real problem is how much room there is between “improved over last year” and “good”. I don’t expect State to make the NCAAT, but I would certainly welcome the opportunity to eat some crow.

Conclusion

There are enough potential wins available for the ACC to put six teams into the NCAAT…but four bids are far more likely. In fact, I would say that the odds of putting only three into the NCAAT are better than putting six in (ie I’m not all that impressed with UVA). In any case, if the real world maintains just the normal amount of hassle (as opposed to the hell of the last week), we’ll take one more look at the bubble before the ACCT starts.

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36 Responses to ACC Halfway Review

  1. ADVENTUROO 02/03/2012 at 10:48 AM #

    My wife and I rated, independently, the BC game. Low B and a High C. Zo looks like Ryan H. did last year. Has to get over the Soph Slump or the pressure from running the team. Howell looked like he was walking on egg shells the other night. Calvin did OK, but rebounding was off. Wood will come start to hit again – he needs to draw more FOULS. Alex J. needs to concentrate on the shots he can MAKE.

    11-5 was a stretch. Still theoretical. 10-6 is optimistic. 9-7 maybe a little too conservative.

    Overall, a lot of progress, but a ways to go. NIT is, or should be, a given.

    First priority for the rest of the season should be to win whatever is necessary to finish FOURTH in the ACC and avoid the Tourney PLAY-IN game.

    That would be a major accomplishment for Coach G and the Team.

    GO PACK!

    PS – ADDED this AFTER original post.

    Airzona (Miller) is 15-8 & 6-4. Arizona State (Sendek) is 7-15 & 3-7. ‘NUFF said. Here is a great Wiki link. Our Comparable Wiki link is out of date and not nearly as complete. WHY aren’t our RBC attendance records included?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Arizona_Wildcats_men's_basketball_team

  2. Khan 02/03/2012 at 10:52 AM #

    I think we win no more than 9 games, not counting the tourney. We are more likely to lose a game we shouldn’t than to win a game we shouldn’t.

  3. BloggerEsquire 02/03/2012 at 11:24 AM #

    What would benefit the team/program most:

    A) Winning ACC record
    B) Signature win versus Duke/FSU/UNC
    C) No losses versus worse-ranked RPI teams/underdogs
    D) ACC Tourney Run

    Judging by the thread, some folks think 9-7 is our floor, but it seems like recent performance seems to indicate otherwise. If BC on the road wasn’t a gimme, which road games are? That said the team’s W/L results are pretty consistent across the board against lower & higher rated teams.

    I would love to see the team accomplish at least two of those four goals and generate some additional buzz for the program & experience for the players. But I realistically expect one of four.

    I haven’t paid much attention to Wichita State (19-4) or VCU (19-5), but I have to wonder if those coaches would have had this team in any better condition. Lowe/Sendek comparisons may make me and other fans happy to have Gott, but I think it is more interesting to make the hypothetical comparisons with coaches who were seriously considered for the job before Gott accepted.

  4. Thinkpack17 02/03/2012 at 11:29 AM #

    We are slowing down. It’s good that our bye week is coming up, hopefully we can recharge our batteries. The tourny is all upside for me, a top 5 finish after years at the bottom would give me some relief.

  5. PackMan97 02/03/2012 at 11:59 AM #

    BloggerEsquire,

    I don’t know if another coach would have us better prepared. There is no doubt that Gottfried has put together and executed a great off season plan. Between strength and conditioning, renovations to the practice gym, recruiting, reworking the schedule to get us some tougher games, etc he’s just done an awesome job. I feel like he had a plan in place before he even accepted the head coaching job.

    Not to mention I think he blunt straight forward approach, his willingness to talk about goals, his entire persona just fits NC State.

    I feel like he gets NC State and he knows what needs to be done. The other coaches that didn’t want to take on this job can have all the success in the world and it won’t change my opinion that we’ve got the right man for the job.

  6. Hungwolf 02/03/2012 at 12:19 PM #

    Miami plays Duke next and with that lose they dorp off the bubble. I think Va is an “in” team right now. Our RPI will increase in the second half of the season. We need to be in a position where the NCAA looks at the ACC and says we taking the top 5 teams and everyone else is not even in the conversation. We need to go at 3-1 at home in the second half of the season and pick up a couple more road wins. That and a win or two in the ACC tournament should put us in. My biggest concern now is Zo, he has not looked as sharp as he did earlier in the year and AJ has not been up to the task vs ACC.

    As far as next year, we got a great class coming, but we will certainly need another big man especially if Calvin goes pro.

  7. Prowling Woofie 02/03/2012 at 12:43 PM #

    I’m hoping Leslie realizes that he needs another year (at least) of the type of coaching he is now receiving before he’s ready to compete at the next level.

    If he leaves now, he’s looking at riding the pine and heading off to Europe.

    Another year (or two) in Gott’s system, and he could be a sure-fire first rounder.

  8. BJD95 02/03/2012 at 12:47 PM #

    I think a winning ACC record would be the most valuable accomplishment for this team.

    Also, I think Henson is a lock for first team, and I think it’s a two man race between him and Mike Scott for POY.

    Bennett is likely getting COY, though I might “vote” Hamilton. If MG gets to 10 or 11 wins, he will be in the conversation as well.

  9. timberwolf 02/03/2012 at 12:50 PM #

    At Duke Thursday at 9 pm.
    FSU Saturday at 1 pm.

    r u kidding me?

  10. ryebread 02/03/2012 at 2:16 PM #

    I’m with Hungwolf. I think that UVA is in if the tournament were picked today though they could play their way out. Miami and NC State are bubble teams and have to play their way in.

    Miami was my preseason #3 team prior to the injuries. With them getting players back, I can see them rounding into form and finishing 5th.

    FSU could easily drop off the table. They have a huge head start due to a great week against UNC and Duke, but I think they’re lacking in fire power. They could easily start throwing up bricks and lose some ugly games (like they did against the two Ivys, Florida and Michigan State).

  11. Pack85EE 02/03/2012 at 4:52 PM #

    about our slump. I just think UNC knocked the boys down hard and they are struggling getting their mind back. Although we could not shoot at all we played hard defense against UVA, fairly hard against BC. At BC, I think Howell was more worried about fouls than rebounds. I’ll take his UVA game any time even if he fouls out. He was a monster against UVA. Speaking of cold shooting, against UVA, Wood 3-11, Johnson 0-6. On paper, one more shot and we win. We should have beat UVA. I don’t think they are any better than us. If we get our heads right we can make the run we have been talking about. But 11-5 is a long shot.

    Johnson is 0-9 the last two games. Coach needs to fix that.

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