ACC Mid-Season Review

I’ve done a mid-season review each of the last several years and enjoy taking a broader look at the ACC. The past several years, I’ve used the data from CBS Sports and really like they layout they have for each team. The problem is that as of lunchtime on Friday, they have not included the last OOC games from Wed night. So if we are going to have a mid-season review before the ACC schedule kicks in, we are going to have to switch websites (to yahoo/rivals) and do what we can.

If you are new here, I did a little RPI primer last year to explain some often mis-understood aspects of RPI and SOS Rankings. I’ve also done a number of entries here on the NCAAT selection process and documented a number of key items from past years. During the season, I use the following simplistic evaluation process to judge the ACC teams:
– Top 40 RPI and min of 0.500 ACC record = IN
– RPI ranking >75 = OUT
– Everything else = BUBBLE

So with the preamble completed, here is a summary table that breaks down the various rankings along with their records versus the opponents played to date:

Random Thoughts

I’ve obviously only used the RPI rankings for today’s update. Even though there is a lot of basketball left to be played, it’s interesting to look back and see how the actual NCAA selections compared to this first, rough look:
In 2010, both teams graded “IN”, made the NCAAT. 3 of 5 Bubble teams made the NCAAT. Only 1 of 5 teams that graded “OUT”, made the NCAAT.
2011 was different in that no teams qualified for the bubble at the mid-season point. 2 of 4 teams graded “IN” made the NCAAT. 2 of the 8 teams graded “OUT” made the NCAAT.
– The obvious conclusion is that it is not too late to work your way into the NCAAT. However we shouldn’t expect too many of those bottom teams to make the big turnaround.

Using the last two mid-season reports, we can build a picture of how this year stands up to the past few. While this year is a slight improvement over last year, the ACC’s current ranking of 6th is substantially behind it’s historical norm. (Click here if you want to review history and a year even worse than the last three.)

Most of the other points that I would make have been fairly well covered either by entries to the main blog or in various forum threads. If you see something of particular interest, bring it up in the comments and we can hash it out.
.
.
NC State

As a refresher, here is the last update that I made to the historical OOC SOS table:

NOTE: Apathy set in during the Lowe era and I haven’t updated this table for the last two seasons. If anyone knows where I can get the information for the last two years, let me know.

In case you’ve been asleep during the college basketball “pre-season”, this is the strongest OOC schedule that State has played since we’ve been tracking this stat. If you will remember, one of the first things that Gott discussed changing was State’s OOC schedule. He managed to accomplish in a few months what Sendek and Lowe couldn’t do in 15 years. I have to take a moment here to once again laugh at the silly excuses from the HSSS on why State couldn’t put together a tougher schedule.

The HSSS excuses look even sillier if you compare the last two year’s schedules and see what really changed. The top of the 2010-2011 schedule was actually BETTER than this season. Last year, State’s top five opponents ranked 1, 4, 23, 37, and 54. This year’s top five opponents rank 1, 15, 44, 77, and 79. As I’ve been saying for nearly a decade, you get the most improvement in your overall SOS by eliminating dead wood at the bottom of the schedule. At the mid-way point last year, State had played 8 teams ranked 200+; with four of those ranked 300+. This year, State has played only 4 teams ranked 200+ and none ranked 300+.

Note that neither the OOC schedule nor State’s results against that schedule will bring any special attention from the NCAAT Selection Committee. However, there is no down-side in scheduling like this:
– If you are good enough to make the NCAAT, then you have a chance to get some good wins and build a case for a high seed.
– A bubble team gets a chance at a key win and the losses won’t hurt come Selection Sunday.
– If you aren’t going to at least be considered for the NCAAT, then it doesn’t really matter who you play.

Since I work with a number of VT grads, I know how painful it is to come up on the “last four out” lists. I find it comforting to know that State has a coach that recognizes how a weak OOC SOS has contributed to those frustrating Sunday afternoons for my friends and co-workers.
.
.
The ACC SCHEDULE

Here is State’s ACC schedule sorted by today’s RPI ranking:

Many people have noted that State’s easy ACC schedule could end up hurting on Selection Sunday. With no quality OOC wins, this fact should be obvious to the most casual observer. In fact, State is in virtually the same position as this time last year. (I’ll let our audience argue if a win against #79 Texas is better or worse than a win against #54 George Mason).

BOTTOM LINE: State needs as many wins as possible and especially needs wins against the top half of the conference. With seven games scheduled against the bottom four teams, it’s certainly possible that a 10 win conference season wouldn’t be enough to make the NCAAT (again).

About VaWolf82

Engineer living in Central Va. and senior curmudgeon amongst SFN authors One wife, two kids, one dog, four vehicles on insurance, and four phones on cell plan...looking forward to empty nest status. Graduated 1982

11-12 Basketball ACC College Basketball

33 Responses to ACC Mid-Season Review

  1. MattN 01/07/2012 at 1:06 PM #

    “I got my info here (and Iona is ranked 28th):”

    I saw that. I’m not saying you made it up at all, I’m just calling complete bullshit on it. No way in hell someone loses to Hofstra and Marshall and is ranked #28. Does not compute…

  2. MattN 01/07/2012 at 1:12 PM #

    “I got my info here (and Iona is ranked 28th):”

    I saw that and didn’t mean to imply you made it up. I’m just calling it a steaming pile of fecal material. There is no way in hell a team that loses to Hofstra and Marshall should be ranked 28th. If NCSU played the exact same schedule and lost to Hofstra and Marshall, we’d be ranked #228th.

    Also, as of that link, Weak Florist is ranked #96, ahead of Maryland!!! In what bizzaro whacko world does that even make sense? Weak is absolutely atrocious. They’ve lost to Wofford and Arizona State!!! (and not by a small margin, either)

    Does. Not. Compute…

  3. VaWolf82 01/07/2012 at 1:28 PM #

    Does. Not. Compute…

    Sure it does. You’re just looking at it wrong.

    When the underdog is leading at the end of the first quarter, does that tell you who will win the ballgame? Of course not.

    If you try to use a metric designed for the last weekend of the regular season three months early, you can expect to find a few teams that are either over-rated or under-rated.

  4. MattN 01/07/2012 at 1:51 PM #

    Any metric that shows THIS Weak Florist team as a top100 team at any point in the season is a seriously flawed metric.

  5. VaWolf82 01/07/2012 at 2:10 PM #

    Where do you see WF ranked in the Top-100

  6. MP 01/07/2012 at 2:26 PM #

    LOL, I think he sees WF #96 in the link you referenced. And I agree with MattN after watching Wake today. If they are Top 100 the entire basketball universe is flawed.

  7. btownwolfpack 01/07/2012 at 4:47 PM #

    Wake just beat VT. Maybe the ranking isn’t so dumb!

    And by the way, the regular season only matters if we don’t win in Atlanta. And we will.

  8. VaWolf82 01/09/2012 at 12:03 PM #

    The Committee cited UNC Basketball’s rich history as the determining factor

    While you are looking for something to support this claim, I found this at ncaa.org:

    Sports committees using the RPI long have believed past tournament performance and/or potential professional talent should not be a factor when selecting or seeding teams…

Leave a Reply