The Curious Case of NC State Football & HBO’s “The Wire”

The Wire was a drama that aired for 5 seasons on HBO from 2002 to 2008 about drugs, police, dockworkers, politics, the school system and the media in the city of Baltimore and is considered by many critics as one of the best TV series of all time.

Around 8 minutes into the 4th episode of the 4th season entitled “Refugees”, former police officer turned middle school teacher Roland “Prez” Pryzbylewski is planning a talk to give his students. Playing on the TV in the background is a University of Maryland football game, which certainly makes sense for a show set in Baltimore.

Maryland’s opponent in that game? None other than NC State.

The old nSc diamond logo should immediately catch the eye of most State fans. But let’s take a closer look at the screen.

There are several things you can tell from that screenshot. One, the diamond logo means the game was pre-2000 when Chuck Amato brought back the Block S logo for State football. Two, the quarterback looks an awful lot like #4 Jamie Barnette. Three, State is wearing red helmets which were worn during the 1999 season. And four, the score is tied 10-10 in the 2nd quarter. That means the footage of that game is from State’s 30-17 win over the Terps on November 6th, 1999 that was indeed tied 10-10 in the 2nd quarter.

That episode of The Wire aired on October 1st, 2006 and the series was set in the present so it does seem a little odd that a 7 year old football game would be on TV. But with licensing agreements and rights and things like that I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation.

But then the mystery continues. For most of the scene you can hear the announcers in the background but you can’t really make out what they are saying, especially with dialogue between Prez and his wife. However there are a few things you can make out that are curious. One, unfortunately just before the Youtube clip begins, there is a mention of bringing in Ralph Friedgen as head coach which didn’t occur until the 2001 season while the game video footage is from 1999. And two, if you turn the volume up at the end of the scene you can hear the announcer say “Stone pitches back, Andre Brown finds the end zone, touchdown…the score now 13-3.” So obviously, with both the players and the score, the audio and the video aren’t from the same game.

From the screencap clues it was easy to figure out what game the video was from, but what about the audio? Andre Brown played at State from 2005 to 2008 and since the episode aired in October of 2006, the audio would have to be from the 2005 season. That fits with Marcus Stone taking over as starting QB midway through the 2005 season.

However the final score in the State/Maryland game in 2005 was a 20-14 win for the Wolfpack. The score was never 13-3 and Andre Brown didn’t score a TD. In fact, unless there was an Andre Brown TD run called back for a penalty, State never led a game 13-3 (or 14-3 after the extra point) in any game in the 2005 season.

So it would appear that new audio was recorded using the names of current (at the time) Wolfpack players to play over the old video. Which seems like a very odd choice for a show both set and filmed in Baltimore. Why would the video (that someone made the choice to show a very clear shot of the diamond logo) and audio focus on the Wolfpack instead of the Terps? Was there a State grad working on the crew of The Wire?

Or maybe there is a local connection. While Andre Brown played his high school football in Greenville, NC he was born in Baltimore. In fact, according to this gopack.com story from Brown’s senior year he was raised by a single mother who was a Baltimore-area police officer. She sent him to live with a cousin in Greenville during middle school after one of his middle-school football games was canceled because of gunshots fired near the field. For those that have watched the series, that has parallels with Prez’s students that are focused on in season 4, Andre Brown would have been around the same age facing some of the same problems. So the football star son of a Baltimore police officer gets mentioned in the background of a Baltimore police show, that may or may not be a coincidence.

Who knows what the real story is (and if anybody does I’d love to hear it), but it is certainly an interesting connection between Wolfpack football and one the most critically acclaimed television series of all time.

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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34 Responses to The Curious Case of NC State Football & HBO’s “The Wire”

  1. redsteel 12/08/2011 at 1:46 PM #

    neat post…..

  2. FireAndIce2007 12/08/2011 at 2:10 PM #

    I had noticed the State game before, but always had assumed it was from the 05 season. For a show so big on realism (tons of the supporting characters are played by real former cops and criminals that Simon knew from his time working at the Sun and writing the books “The Corner” and “Homicide”), it’s strange they apparently went to such lengths. I’m pretty sure this is the scene where Prezbo’s wife asks him who’s winning, and he says “No one wins, one side just loses more slowly”, which I think was the episode’s epigraph, but I don’t think they needed to worry about the game footage and commentary reflecting his comment, which, of course had nothing to do with football.

    That’s some ace detective working going on in the post. Lester Freamon would be proud.

  3. Howler 12/08/2011 at 2:24 PM #

    Really interesting post. Need to spread the word that StateFansNation is a great site for mystery buffs! Now if you could focus your detective abilities on who has stolen Philip Rivers’ accuracy this season……..

  4. TruthBKnown Returns 12/08/2011 at 2:30 PM #

    Could it be there is some kind of loophole in the copyright laws that makes it ok to replay the video only, or the audio only, of game broadcasts, but not both? Maybe they just dubbed in different audio to avoid a copyright infringement or something.

    Whatever the case, it’s pretty strange that they would go to such lengths for no good reason.

  5. WV Wolf 12/08/2011 at 2:30 PM #

    FireAndIce is correct, that line is the epigraph for this episode. I ran across a Youtube video where somebody edited together all the epigraph lines from the whole series. Even though I had seen the episode I hadn’t noticed the diamond logo until that Youtube video. Then curiosity got the best of me and I had to investigate.

    TruthBeKnown, I agree that it was probably some sort of copyright or licensing issue behind all of this.

  6. waxhaw 12/08/2011 at 3:00 PM #

    I know it says JP Sports but maybe it was being re-broadcast on ESPN Classic and that could explain the intermittant discussion of more recent events.

  7. Hungwolf 12/08/2011 at 4:10 PM #

    Howler, that funk that has taken over the Rivers and the Chargers is called Norv Turner. Soon to be fired as head coach for the third time in the NFL.

  8. nckestrel 12/08/2011 at 4:25 PM #

    It might have been technical. Perhaps the shoot originally had a rebroadcast of the game on (ESPNClassic as suggested) in the background. The audio on the shoot from the TV wasn’t good enough, so they went and grabbed some directly from a current game later to replace it.

  9. tobaccordshow 12/08/2011 at 4:36 PM #

    Yeah but wouldn’t it be easier to go and pull a game from that season with those people?

  10. tmb81 12/08/2011 at 4:40 PM #

    Even though I am a stickler for accuracy, I might have let that one slide, but I would have noticed the logo.

    I used to watch the show “Sports Night” until a Thanksgiving themed episode had them reporting on a Duke/UNC BASKETBALL game.

  11. LRM 12/08/2011 at 5:03 PM #

    I always notice this kind of stuff. A couple examples:

    *In one of the greatest-ever action movies, “Diehard,” the villain acting as the front desk clerk is watching the Notre Dame-USC football game…on Christmas Eve.

    *In one of the worst-ever sports movies (great non-fiction book, though), “Friday Night Lights,” set in 1988, the high school field had modern field turf (which has been around less than a decade) rather than its predecessor, astroturf. Also, all the helmets, pads and uniforms were modern; definitely not circa 1988. Seems like a costume director would’ve paid a little more attention to authenticity.

  12. FireAndIce2007 12/08/2011 at 5:11 PM #

    tmb81- I really liked Sports Night, but the casual references to games they were covering never made much sense. It seemed like there was a Duke/UNC basketball game every third or fourth episode. Of course, if we were to start listing all of the details that movies and tv mess up about sports, even in shows or movies specifically about sports, we could be here for days.

  13. Manu Ginobili 12/08/2011 at 5:23 PM #

    Don’t forget the great line from The Hangover (later used in The Hangover Part II as a tagline) by former NC State student Zach Galifianakis: “I’m a Wolfpack of one”. He doesn’t share writing credits in that movie, but he must have added that line himself. And given the importance of that scene, he couldn’t have improvised either.

  14. LRM 12/08/2011 at 5:24 PM #

    ^I saw an interview where he in fact did add that line himself.

  15. rtpack24 12/08/2011 at 5:31 PM #

    I can only guess it was copyright laws. But I do know this, it was the best tv series I have ever watched and they went to great lengths to make it realistic. The acting was off the charts. Great work on finding this, glad we were mentioned in this epic series.

  16. rtpack24 12/08/2011 at 5:33 PM #

    The scene on the roof in Hangover was improvised. He was told to read a letter and given general theme of such but he improvised the words.

  17. FireAndIce2007 12/08/2011 at 5:36 PM #

    I checked out the commentary track on the DVD. They don’t mention anything about the football game, but I noticed another local connection. Marlo’s line to the security guard after he steals the candy (“You want it to be one way…”) was later sampled by Little Brother (a hip-hop group from Durham) in their song “Sirens”. Is this just a coincidence? Yes, but when it comes to the Wire, all the pieces matter.

  18. MISTA WOLF 12/08/2011 at 6:23 PM #

    I know I’m a minority when I say this but I absolutely loved those helmets. I know we are red and white only (suppose to be) but we don’t have any true tradition in football. I’d like to see us spice up the uni’s.

  19. mak4dpak 12/08/2011 at 7:02 PM #

    So UNX gets a new coach, and was one of my hopefuls to replace TOB, but instead he stays, and UNX get the new coach. I hope it doesn’t come back to bite us in the but. Fedora is a great offensive mind, and we are stuck with the unimagitive Bible. I hope he makes some changes in his play calling, and runs the offense much like he did in the Clemson game, and the 4th quarter of the Maryland game. If he doesn’t stop being so conservative, it will always be our downfall otherwise. Don’t let the smurfs end our winning streak against them.

  20. vtpackfan 12/08/2011 at 7:23 PM #

    Who were the Cubs playing in Ferris Bueller? Background audio is almost always dubbed separate in TV/cinema in order to mix the final version better. Oh, and thanks for bringing us back to the “Stone Age” 😉

  21. West Coaster 12/08/2011 at 8:47 PM #

    Considering that the epigraph for that episode, in reference to the game in question, was “nobody wins, one side just loses more slowly” (as can be heard in the clip above) I took it as a slam against two bad teams. That makes it hard for me to believe that it was placed by someone on the show with a NC State connection. Or maybe I was looking at it wrong & it was really just insight into Prez’s character — the game, & the teams playing, were incidental to his point.

  22. El Scrotcho 12/08/2011 at 8:54 PM #

    Awesome post. Enjoyed the read!

  23. gcpack 12/08/2011 at 10:39 PM #

    One of HBO’s weekly shows is produced by a production company called
    Tennessee Wolfpack. It may be Boardwalk Empire but I am not sure.
    I am always curious if its a State alum from Tennessee.

    Would love to know if anyone here knows the background of the televison
    production company called Tennessee Wolfpack.

  24. lush 12/08/2011 at 10:40 PM #

    For anyone who hasnt seen it, the first 4 episodes are on HBO on demand right now. They will probably go through the whole series, season by season, in order.

    If u don’t get HBO, go rent it. Awesome series.

  25. gcpack 12/08/2011 at 10:55 PM #

    By the way ESPn is getting ready to award the Thorpe award on tv right now after the next commercial break.
    Amerson is one of three to get nominated.

    Some good footage and hilites on ESPN now.

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