Pack/Bees Open Game Thread

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In order to put a positive face on things, I will attempt to list some positive things about this football season:

– Based on our September play, beating the spread will be a much more realistic goal going forward.

– Boston College sucks as bad as we do, if not worse.

– Butch Davis still sheds a tear every time he sees a paleface litter.

– Unlike (every) basketball season, there’s no chance that Duke or the Holes can win the national championship and rub salt in the wound.

– Steven Hauschka, best offensive weapon for the Seattle Seahawks. Dental school will have to wait.

– Friday, bitches.

– My fantasy team is 3-0!! OK, that one probably only works for me. Hey, I’m trying my best, damn it.

– The NCAA just cleared the path for one SEC refugee to join our two deep. If we only can get 10 or 15 more of those, we’ll be set.

– The first appearance of fall weather might have you outside and forgetting that we play today.

– Russell Wilson is finally getting some national media attention and Heisman love.

– Friday, bitches (schadenfreude so nice, I listed it twice).

I will see you later in the comments. Too apathetic and sleepy to liveblog.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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313 Responses to Pack/Bees Open Game Thread

  1. 61Packer 10/01/2011 at 10:51 PM #

    Archer, Archer, Archer. The HC hired him, and don’t assistants usually do what the HC says?

    I’ve also been watching Wilson tonight. He’s doing well, but he’s being protected by a line that is bigger than that of the Green Bay Packers. Plus the Badgers have a runner who’ll probably get more yards this season than our entire team.

    After tonight, Wilson will no doubt be talked about by the Heisman people. Amazing the good things that can happen when one sheds a Wolfpack uniform.

    I missed the game today, but coming back to Raleigh from Granville County I noticed the steady stream of vehicles heading up NC50 with their red and white flags flying, while the game was just entering the 4th quarter.

    I believe the white flag would be the appropriate one for Wolfpackers to fly now.

    People say fire the coach now, some say wait until after next season. If we lose again next Saturday, anyone for pulling the plug then?

  2. eas 10/01/2011 at 10:52 PM #

    ^^^. Agree….RW deserves his shot and he is a perfect addition for an already great badger team. Thank you RW for being a great student athlete and representative of our university. Give em he$$ at Wisconsin. ESPN loves him as well.

    We would still suck either way due to our coaches and current set up. Now we have to wait out a crappy season only to wonder if TOB will get another. Then we all get to go through the hassle of everyone deciding if it was the right decision. Welcome to NCSU athletics.

    I hope we go with a fresh staff personally but we will be cheap as usual and get crap.

  3. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/01/2011 at 10:58 PM #

    TOB is an idiot. Oh, and btw RW wouldn’t be that good at NC State? WTF are you talking about? You can’t re-write history. RW was that good at NC State. The only difference is that he is a year older now.

    Who the hell cuts this guy as a player? Even more upsetting is how does a coach cut a kid the year after his father dies? Really just stupid no matter how you look at it.

    “The good thing is that he is a Badger.” TOB is an idiot.

  4. Ashman87 10/01/2011 at 11:23 PM #

    I’m just curious. Which coach(es) are in charge of discipline? Because if we HAD NOT FAILED in that department, at the very least, we would have been no worse off than UNC was last week against GT. (P.S. If you want to see Paul Johnson not as the HC at GT, hope that he loses to UGA over and over again.)

  5. mak4dpak 10/01/2011 at 11:28 PM #

    In an email to me, DY stated that TOB hires his assistants, and his staff is his decision. But she would evaluate him at the end of the season, based on his Ws. So if TOB is gone then, then please give us a quality coach, with a quality supporting staff, and please have some emotion, and enthusiasm of the sidelines. TOB too mundane, and calm.

  6. Astral Rain 10/02/2011 at 1:59 AM #

    I’m hoping TOB resigns/retires to spare us the agony of agonizing whether it was the right call.

    TOB deserves a classy exit, despite this year- we shouldn’t be castigating the man (and we aren’t), we should wish him the best of luck somewhere else. I felt the same way about Amato and Sid (but not Sendek).

  7. Tuffy2 10/02/2011 at 2:40 AM #

    With DY making that statement about W’s at the end of the year TOB will not be here next year. Some of you might have the Lee Fowler virus yet and need to take some over the counter medicine to flush it out of your system.

    TOB deserves his payout or buyout and that is it.

  8. mak4dpak 10/02/2011 at 6:17 AM #

    You are only as good as the team you play for. RW should thank TOB, because what he has experienced this year, would no way be happening if he were at NC State, with no heisman talk. Just the facts. He is a good player, but he isn’t a super hero, and could not have bailed us out this year. Unfortunate for Glennon to inherit such a disappointment of a team, with a coaching staff that has a crappy DC, and OC. Still can’t believe the 4th and one call late in the game, after being stopped on 3rd down running the same play up the middle. What imcompotence!

  9. Wulfpack 10/02/2011 at 7:26 AM #

    What could have been? Sure, what could have been. Need I remind you we won 9 games last year, and many of us thought we were returning a pretty good team. Seems most have very short memories. Heck, most were saying we’d win at least 8 this year. We’ll be lucky to win 6 this year! So yea, what could have been.

    With RW back, I can tell you we would have been better than this. This is in no way a knock on Glennon. He’s played fine. But RW is on a completely different level — a Heisman level. He masked our deficiencies on offense for 3 years. Now we are seeing in plain view that TOB has failed to build much of a program in 5 years.

  10. BJD95 10/02/2011 at 8:04 AM #

    With RW, we would have an outside shot at 7-5. We didn’t expect the OL to be worse, but it is. We didn’t expect the D to fall apart, but it has. We expected the WRs to struggle, and they are the lone group that has met expectations.

    Even if RW could have magically willed us over the .500 mark, I wouldn’t change a thing. Because RW is having a magical season in Madison, and the young man certainly deserves that. I’m proud of and happy for him. Our program would be in the toilet regardless.

    Perhaps Glennon will transfer to South Carolina nexct season. The Gamecocks are a competent QB away from being a national title contender.

  11. Par Shooter 10/02/2011 at 8:18 AM #

    It seems very likely that we lose next week at home to CMU. With the bye week coming after that I am thinking that next Sunday would be an ideal time to solve the TOB problem once and for all. Go ahead and make a serious play for Leach and then RichRod as a fallback. The only way we get a top notch coach is to beat everyone else to the punch. If we have to compete on the open market we’ll end up with another 2nd rate option who will be completely over their head. Let’s be honest, is there anybody left who thinks that TOB has it in him to turn this program around? Personally I think he has regretted leaving BC since the start of his 1st season and his heart has never been in this.

  12. wolfonthehill 10/02/2011 at 8:42 AM #

    I’m too lazy to type it all twice. 🙂

    http://www.backingthepack.com/2011/10/2/2463487/georgia-tech-nc-state-post-mortem

  13. Ed89 10/02/2011 at 8:56 AM #

    ^^^Each year there are 10 to 15 teams that in reality have that chance.

    In football that may be true, but in basketball, I completely disagree. Were Butler and VCU in that 10 to 15 at the start of last year? Anytime, you get to the Final Four you have a chance. We have a legitimate chance to become a MAJOR player in college basketball. In football, we need MAJOR help to become bowl eligible.

  14. eas 10/02/2011 at 9:00 AM #

    It is too early to discuss coaches simply because no one has the balls + money (of those who make the decisions) to do anything. However, please NO Rich Rod. There are coaches available now for the right $$$$$$$$$.

  15. 3boys 10/02/2011 at 9:20 AM #

    BJD said it right, we would probably be 7-5 best with RW. Unless he could learn to tackle or play in the secondary – we would still be sucking.

    BTW – not read all the posts, but feel that PJ is a douche for trying to run up the score with the numerous 4th down calls insider the 10. I know that last years game was under his skin, but next year I hope we can run it down their throats.

  16. Wulfpack 10/02/2011 at 9:36 AM #

    I’m not saying we wouldn’t be 7-5 (or worse) with RW. What I am saying is he gives us a better chance to win — we saw it for three years. He knows how to play the game. He extends the play AND the game. When the offense can stay on the field with sustained drives, AND capitalize, more often than not you’re in the game. The offense has not appeared to be able to do this but for a few quarters in five games of action. Furthermore, once we get down, we press, and are forced into throwing untimely INTs. That was a back breaker yesterday.

    Again, not faulting Glennon in any way. Lord knows there are SO many other issues (and those are on TOB and the staff) — but RW masked those issues and he would have done it yet again this year.

    I agreed with TOB’s decision then and still do. But I readily admit it is making us look like fools. That’s not on Glennon — he’s doing everything within his power. But he’s just not Russell Wilson.

  17. BJD95 10/02/2011 at 9:52 AM #

    Before we crapped all over our brand, Ed89 was right about basketball potential. And he’s still right about football potential.

    TOB was as proven a commodity as it gets, and he fell flat on his face. NC State football is not an attractive opportunity, and certainly not a destination job. At this point, it’s only going to be (i) a stepping stone; (ii) a “second chance” magnet; and/or (iii) a career killer.

  18. Par Shooter 10/02/2011 at 10:15 AM #

    I think it’s been obvious since about year 2 as to why TOB is here. He was burned out at BC and bored. He kept bumping up against a ceiling and couldn’t break through. He was probably going to take a year or 2 off and sit on the beach when our job fell into his lap. He hoped that a new challenge in a new location with better fan support and facilities would recharge his batteries. It didn’t. He has essentially be retired in place for the last 4 years. He is not emotionally invested in this gig at all and is simply marking time on the calendar. He wants to be gone as bad (or worse) than we want him gone but he’s holding on for a nice little nest egg. I think he is probably also holding on out of some loyalty to the longtime assistants who will be on the street once he finally gives up.

  19. 61Packer 10/02/2011 at 11:16 AM #

    Seems to me TOB applied for the UNC job before being turned down and then was hired here. TOB’s robotic personality would’ve been a much better fit for a wine and cheese UNC crowd than for a much more passionate Wolfpack football fan base. What bothers me even more than the losing is that I’m seeing the same Sendek-like passive reaction to the losses from the football staff.

    TOB could endear himself more to Pack fans if just once he’d throw a chair- even a clipboard, or kick a locker. Or better yet, slug an N&O reporter.

    This football program hasn’t just gone to sleep, it’s entering a coma. It’s going to take a completely different kind of coaching approach to cure this, and even though Mike Leach might be a bitter pill for some of you to swallow, I think it’s about time to hold your nose and swallow. You might like the results of someone on our sidelines who not only can coach and recruit, but who would get it when it comes to understanding what Wolfpack fans are longing for.

  20. eas 10/02/2011 at 11:26 AM #

    We can only dream 61Packer to actually have a coach with a pulse and full of life. Add a media presence like Gottfried and you are set.

    It will never happen but we can dream.

  21. OldWuf 10/02/2011 at 1:31 PM #

    Agree with BJD95. We would still suck with RW. He could only mask part of our deficiencies. I had no idea what a great career move this was going to be for RW. Plug a outstanding 5th year QB into a Big 10 system that is only missing a mature quarterback. He has the greatest opportunity playing behind that gargantuan OL. He has transformed himself from “poor mlb prospect” and “too short and runs too soon for the NFL” to Heisman candidate and QB of a potential National Champion in 3 weeks. Amazing. BUT no way it was going to happen here. The great PR, an elite NFL QB(and we knew it) couldn’t get any espn or Heisman love at NCSU. I hate it couldn’t be here but I’m happy for him.

  22. JSRy2k 10/02/2011 at 1:49 PM #

    @BJD95 (2 things):
    1. Agreed. We’d suck w/ or w/o Wilson.
    2. Don’t underestimate coaching bravado. If Debbie were to conduct a decent search, she could find some young buck brimming with potential and itching to coach at a BCS school.

    Something positive, anything positive…
    1. No Wolfpack RB had a single carry for negative yardage
    2. Had a chance to win after 3 quarters
    3. Gained more 1st downs than GT and only had 26 fewer yards

    Stick in my craw…
    Idiocy!!! (TJ Graham’s dropped pass, offsides, personal fouls, etc.)

  23. john of sparta 10/02/2011 at 4:14 PM #

    +1 Par Shooter.
    we have been
    watching TOB’s
    retirement party.

  24. eas 10/02/2011 at 4:41 PM #

    +2 on the retirement. Both Bible and Archer are in the same boat as TOB on retirement. Sure looks like this staff has checked the coasting box and will ride cruise control.

  25. wolfpacker 10/02/2011 at 4:44 PM #

    Parshooter, “I think he is probably also holding on out of some loyalty to the longtime assistants who will be on the street once he finally gives up.”

    Unfortunately for the Wolfpack, Bible was a long-time assistant, but Archer came out of nowhere. He was demoted by Kentucky, but claims that he resigned…but I guess that’s what you call it when you were demoted then decide to leave. TOB couldn’t have possibly checked this guys abilities and that has hurt him and our team more than anything, the weak defense. This guy has more excuses than anyone in the game.

    Please notice in the following link how the truth about the fact that he was demoted at Kentucky never came to light. Also notice how many praises this guy received and he was never a good DC, unless you consider allowing over 350 yds / game and 35 pts / game good, not really all that good, but that’s exactly what we got and it hasn’t gotten better. What they left out, was the fact that Archer was DEMOTED BEFORE THE CLEMSON GAME and was no longer in control of the defense, instead you got a unx type spin on the situation that implied that Archer was in control of the defense. He was relieved of his most important role as the DC closer to the middle of the season, not after the Clemson game.

    TOB’s decision here, was a disaster.

    http://www.gopack.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011607aaa.html

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