Pack/Bees Open Game Thread

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In order to put a positive face on things, I will attempt to list some positive things about this football season:

– Based on our September play, beating the spread will be a much more realistic goal going forward.

– Boston College sucks as bad as we do, if not worse.

– Butch Davis still sheds a tear every time he sees a paleface litter.

– Unlike (every) basketball season, there’s no chance that Duke or the Holes can win the national championship and rub salt in the wound.

– Steven Hauschka, best offensive weapon for the Seattle Seahawks. Dental school will have to wait.

– Friday, bitches.

– My fantasy team is 3-0!! OK, that one probably only works for me. Hey, I’m trying my best, damn it.

– The NCAA just cleared the path for one SEC refugee to join our two deep. If we only can get 10 or 15 more of those, we’ll be set.

– The first appearance of fall weather might have you outside and forgetting that we play today.

– Russell Wilson is finally getting some national media attention and Heisman love.

– Friday, bitches (schadenfreude so nice, I listed it twice).

I will see you later in the comments. Too apathetic and sleepy to liveblog.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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313 Responses to Pack/Bees Open Game Thread

  1. projectwentynine 10/01/2011 at 7:36 PM #

    Kentucky’s record during Archer’s 2003-2006 tenure: 17-30.

    Speaking of records, if I’m not mistaken today’s loss brings the Notorious TOB’s overall record at State below .500 (27-28). 20-28 against FBS opponents.

  2. 87stategrad 10/01/2011 at 7:37 PM #

    Just got back from the game. I’ve seen fans leave the game before, but I don’t think I have ever seen such a mass exodus at the 10:00 mark. Stadium was about 25% by the 7:00 mark. sad

  3. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/01/2011 at 7:47 PM #

    ^^TOB shouldn’t be judged by his results? College football and basketball are two totally different things. Basketball has 200+ teams that could win the championship in any given year.

    I don’t know the number but there is probably half that in football. The ACC is going to 14 teams and has a championship game for the BCS. NC State has great facilities, fans and gets national coverage because of the location to the airport, I-40, and the off-campus parking that is media friendly.

    Not many teams that are as awful as NC State get the coverage State gets. State does get the coverage because the national media can get to the stadium.

    NC State’s Bball job isn’t all that great because of the challenges but the football job is as good as any outside of the handful of traditional powerhouses.

    NC State football should be able to attract the top up-and-coming coaches in the country. State doesn’t have to settle for an aging coach from Boston, or an assistant in his 50’s that has never had a head job, or the O-cord that happened to just get thrown into the job.

  4. WolftownVA81 10/01/2011 at 7:50 PM #

    We’ll we went to our first game of the year and had a good time (because we had no expectations of a win). My observations:
    1. The score board was a complete waste of money. With all the adds it’s no bigger than the old one.
    2. The sound system still sucks. Either that, or all our players have marbles in their mouths when they’re speaking cause everything was muffled.
    3. Guess I need a positive now, the weather was fantastic.
    4. We still need someone who is competent to manage the music. Many times the canned music was playing over the band.
    5. We don’t move agressively to the ball on defense. On one early play, number 25 just watched as one of our players was trying to tackle a GT player and did nothing to assist as our guy was drug down the field for 5 more yards while holding on to one leg.
    6. I lost a lot of respect for #8 today when he backed up in the end zone instead of going out to try and make a touch down saving tackle on the interception. Even kickers try to save a TD when they can.
    7. Hope Debbie was paying attention today when fans left in droves with 12 minutes to go in the 4th.
    8. The team played with more heart today but something has to change. Agree with those that have stated Archer has to go.

  5. tuckerdorm1983 10/01/2011 at 8:05 PM #

    as expected in the end. For a moment 21-14 I thought we had a chance, then two offsides penalties on 4th down and a pick 6 sent all hope to the bottom of the sea

  6. wolfpackdawg 10/01/2011 at 8:19 PM #

    The offside penalties should get somebody fired but they won’t. How embarassing.

  7. bsj17 10/01/2011 at 8:42 PM #

    TOB doesn’t recruit quality players.. when was the last time a top notch class was brought in? And another thing, these embarrassing losses on TV are gonna push players further away from our program. TOB need’s to recruit players that are worth bringing in.

  8. Tuffy2 10/01/2011 at 9:01 PM #

    Saying that there are over 200 plus teams in basketball each year that can win the national championship is just plain crazy. Each year there are 10 to 15 teams that in reality have that chance.

  9. Tuffy2 10/01/2011 at 9:08 PM #

    It’s funny how I am reading how DY should march in TOB office and demand this or if TOB is back next year he better get rid of Archer.

    Does anyone really think TOB is coming back for a 6th year next year?

  10. Tuffy2 10/01/2011 at 9:18 PM #

    I think when we came out in the second half and played like we wanted it, I got this feeling that the players themselves motivated each other and the coaches did not play any part of it.

  11. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/01/2011 at 9:19 PM #

    Remember…

    North Carolina State’s Russell Wilson has broken the NCAA record for consecutive passes without an interception.

    Wilson set the mark late in the third quarter of the Wolfpack’s game against Gardner-Webb on Saturday night. His 13-yard pass over the middle to James Washington was his 326th straight without being picked off.

    Wilson surpassed the mark set by Kentucky’s Andre Woodson from 2006-07.

    I may be wrong but I think the INT was a toss-up at the end of the half.

    Take a shot every time Brent says Russell Wilson.

  12. Tuffy2 10/01/2011 at 9:23 PM #

    I taught my Pop Warner kids to look at the ball and to never go by QB barking out the signals.

  13. ADVENTUROO 10/01/2011 at 9:26 PM #

    I read most of the comments here last week. I read about HOW we were going to be beaten by 40 – 50 points and how bad it was going to be. I was there to the VERY end. I did NOT leave. There were proabably about 15-20% of the fans in the stands. Now, it was interesting to walk through the various parking lots. We were in the 1400’s of the RBC. There were a LOT of empty spaces….a lot in the HIGH $$ donors spots right up front. We walked up to Trinity to TG. Trinity was NOT filled. It was probably about 85%. In the lots in between, there were also several empty spots.

    As to the game, I was NOT happy in the first quarter. I was also listening to the radio and getting the REAL scoop on the injuries. When your D-Line is so decimated that you have to put in your starting FB because you need a BIG body, then you are in trouble.

    What I did NOT see was a team that folded. I did not see that many “bad” calls from the coaches. Yep, the Offside penalties were uncalled for. The PERSONAL FOUL penalty was inexcusable. I guess that the coaches should BANISH the players for letting their emotions get in the way of football saavy….

    BUT, if you do that, then WHO WILL BE LEFT TO PLAY? I was convinced last week that TOB had to go. I had already started to craft my email to DY about how he was a no good coach with no understanding of the game.

    After tonight and listening to the coaches comments on the radio, I have decided to hold off for a while. Paul Johnson, who many touted as being the SAVIOR that we did NOT get, was MIFFED. His calls were RAD and he guessed wrong. He did catch up off guard, but he made a LOT of really BAD calls. Had he not had the talent and the offense, his game calls would have lost the game. In other words, despite his brilliant (DUMB) calls, the team actually won. He was really DOWN on himself as well as the team in his post game connects.

    As to TOB, he was unusually UPBEAT. He commentd on the positives. He also pointed out the injuries.

    I have MIXED emotions about injuries. We, the mightly PACK, seem to have a curse. Perhaps it IS the Jimmy V curse and the only remedy will be a statue of him at the RBC and the Administration publicly admitting that they Railroaded him and hung him out to dry. NOW, when you see the BOT vote on that, let me know…

    SO, we need to do a better job of conditioning or we need to have MORE depth. Wait a MINUTE…we did have MORE depth than we could handle at QB and we let RW walk….He is doing a number on NE tonight. THAT WAS NOT TOB’s FAULT.

    TOB made the only SANE call here. Mike Glennon did a pretty good job today. Did anyone note now he got hit and kept on playing. He did NOT try to make a game saving STUPID tackle when he got picked off. IF he had NOT been hurt, he probably could have.

    SO, I am holding up on my email. If our guys return and we do well, then folks will have to get over NOT having 9 wins. I NEVER thought we would…I refused to drink the Kool Aide.

    I guess those that did are not having stomach issues….the folks that drank it will not DIE like the folks that drank Jim Jones’ PJ did, but they WILL have an upset tummy.

  14. graywolf 10/01/2011 at 9:30 PM #

    I went to the walk of champions today and when the team got off the buses you could hear a pin drop…..

  15. BJD95 10/01/2011 at 9:30 PM #

    Yes, I suspect he will come back and announce his retirement after the 2012 season. Our football job is not attractive at all. Clearly in the lower half (maybe even lower quarter) of BCS conference jobs. We are a mediocre program in a mediocre conference (and both assessments are generous). So-so natural recruiting area, and one that’s very overfished.

    It’s not worth the $$ to buy out TOB and throw a dart for the next hire one year earlier. And we need to save $$ just in case one of our random dart hires ever happens to pan out and we need to pony up to keep him.

    We already had to waste a ton of money based on that ludicrous contract Fowler extended for Lowe.

  16. eas 10/01/2011 at 9:39 PM #

    Man RW is ripping up Nebraska right now. My gosh is he making plays and dead on the money with his passes. I hope he continues to dominate.

    As for Glennon, he looks very good and will be a darn good QB for us. I honestly could care less about the RW vs Glennon crap. RW is gone and let’s move on. I still hope he RW does awesome and gets a shot at the Heisman,

  17. BJD95 10/01/2011 at 9:40 PM #

    Additionally, we should have stopped the “walk of champions” the instant Clown Shoes was fired. It’s an absolute joke of an idea. You only add that when there’s demand, based on excitement from results on the field.

    This is nowhere near a championship-caliber program. I would imagine the players cringe before doing it.

    You also don’t manufacture force-fed “traditions” like that. And when something doesn’t catch on after a decade or so of trying…you should really let it go.

  18. BJD95 10/01/2011 at 9:43 PM #

    The only mature think to do is wish Wilson well and not take out your frustrations re having a shitty team on Glennon.

    This is what a great QB looks like surrounded by a great team. You were never going to see that if Wilson had come back to NC State. For another example, see Rivers, Philip.

    Wilson is simply an alumnus that we should all be proud of. Kick some ass in the second half.

  19. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/01/2011 at 9:47 PM #

    “As to TOB, he was unusually UPBEAT”

    My gods! He was down by 24 points at home with a minute left in the game.

    “Mike Glennon did a pretty good job today.”

    By throwing another INT at a critical moment of the game?

    How did all that spring and summer practice work out for the team?

    “We need to save $$”
    NC State doesn’t save money? NC Sate and the other schools in the NC system cost the state tens-of-billions every year.

  20. Wulfpack 10/01/2011 at 9:53 PM #

    R-Dub is on fire. Ultra efficient. His Heisman candidacy commences this evening with the whpping of the Huskers. What could have been…

    Glennon didn’t really impress me today. Taking that sack in the third really hurt us. That would have never happened with RW. Glennon is a nice talent but I just don’t think the pieces are in place to capitalize.

  21. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/01/2011 at 10:02 PM #

    Wilson could of been the 21st century version of David Thompson/Ted Brown.

    Glad State has a nice talent running the offense instead of one of the best in ACC history. All because TOB didn’t have a chance to injure him in the off-season.

  22. wolfpacker 10/01/2011 at 10:06 PM #

    Let’s see, Paul Johnson is 5-0 and we will be lucky to win 5 games. He would never hire a DC as bad as Archer has always been. It’s no surprise to anyone but NC State fans that we suck on defense. Everyone in the country knows he’s never been a good dc. It would really be nice if TOB would explain how and why he chose Archer.

    He drew our defense off-sides twice to gain a first down. He went for it on 4th with a fake punt and eventually scored a touchdown. He got out ahead of us by 21, as most teams find it so EASY to get out ahead of us. He probably put the game on cruise control and sat back and watched while we attempt a comeback. A team ALWAYS getting down is a true sign that somebody is not ready to play football.

    The difference, TOB hires Archer, who is a reject dc from Kentucky. By the way, Kentucky is not a powerhouse in football. If you are going to hire a reject, hire one from a powerhouse. No matter who we play, the other team always works our defense and make us look silly.

  23. BJD95 10/01/2011 at 10:20 PM #

    Wisconsin didn’t magically become good because of Wilson. They were already good, just needed a QB added to the mix. Voila, elite team.

    We would not magically be good with Wilson on the team, any more than we were in 2009. I’m glad that RW’s last season of football isn’t being wasted on this trainwreck of a team and program. He deserves his shot on the national stage.

  24. mak4dpak 10/01/2011 at 10:38 PM #

    What could have been? You gotta be kiddin me! If RW were playing at NC State this year, we would still be struggling, and he sure wouldn’t get all the attention he gets at Wisconsin. The difference is his supporting cast, on offense/defense. We certainly don’t have that here, for Glennon. Don’t blame him for the season. TOB has a bad supporting cast too. Bible/Archer suck. But he is too stubborn to fire them. And that may cost him his job, when it is all said and done.

  25. moose8865 10/01/2011 at 10:40 PM #

    If Glennon had been smart he would have transferred away from this train wreck too

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