SEC unanimously accepts A&M; Big XII blocking move? (Updated 8pm)

Now that it’s official that A&M will become the 13th member, it’s absolutely certain the SEC will at least add a 14th member, and probably soon (ESPN):

The member presidents of the Southeastern Conference unanimously voted to accept Texas A&M Tuesday night as the league’s 13th member, but the Aggies’ official acceptance has been delayed by the potential threat of legal action.

The SEC’s presidents want assurances that no individual Big 12 school will sue for contractual interference over Texas A&M’s departure. Baylor has not given that assurance to this point, according to sources.

“We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action,” University of Florida president and SEC chairman Dr. Bernie Machen said in a statement released Wednesday. “The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. “

The only holdup to this becoming official is potential legal action by Baylor, which stands to lose the most of all Big XII members should the conference become defunct, as expected (Yahoo!):

A threat of legal action by Baylor has, at least temporarily, held up Texas A&M’s move to the SEC. The SEC’s presidents voted unanimously Tuesday night to extend an invitation to Texas A&M to become the league’s 13th member, but that invitation is contingent upon all of Texas A&M’s Big 12 counterparts waiving their right to a legal challenge.

A source said Baylor had broken ranks with the remaining Big 12 members, which decided last week to waive their right to legally challenge a move by Texas A&M. In a statement, Florida president Bernie Machen, the chair of the SEC’s presidents group, said the SEC would not accept Texas A&M as a member until the potential legal roadblocks were cleared.

The question for State fans: how will this affect the ACC, and thus, State? Sources indicate that Virginia Tech may be the target for the 14th member, so the dominoes may begin to fall very soon now.

There’s been much discussion on SFN about State promoting itself as a target for SEC expansion. LRM says the ACC should raid the Big XII rather than the Big East; maybe the ACC thinks that’s the right idea.

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Dan Wetzel asks if bigger is better (Yahoo!):

To call the proposed 16-member leagues “superconferences” is a painful misnomer. Bigger isn’t better for anyone who isn’t getting a bonus based on a television contract. It’s not good for the athletes, the coaches, the alumni or the general fans.

College football’s enduring appeal includes history, tradition and regional rivalries, all of which are currently being spit on by the warring conference commissioners and duped university presidents, a group that likes to refer to itself as the “guardians of the game”

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops on Tuesday had to shrug at the possibility that the storied Oklahoma-Texas “Red River Shootout” – first played in 1900, usually in Dallas at the Texas State Fair – could cease to exist.

“Sometimes that’s the way it goes,” Stoops said, noting the decision is beyond his control.

Already the Texas-Texas A&M rivalry, which began in 1894, is in jeopardy. Even schools that wind up safe in a big conference will play their long-time rivals less.

And the impact here on other sports – most notably men’s and women’s basketball – could be brutal. Essentially the people who think the BCS is a good idea are threatening the fabric of March Madness.

It may be inevitable, but there are very few positives about any of this. Football is football, so the product will deliver in the end, but the people running the sport are trying their best to maim the appeal.

“I feel like further consolidation and more stability would be a healthy thing for college football,” Pac-12 (or will it be Pac-16?) commissioner Larry Scott said Saturday. “Right now there’s obviously some instability that I don’t think is a particularly healthy thing in certain parts of the country.”

Nice line, but it’s the consolidation that is causing the instability. The Big 12 was fine until Scott came calling in 2010 in an effort to bolster his soon-to-be negotiated media rights deal. While conference membership has occasionally shifted through the years, there was never a free-for-all like this, one that threatened the very collegial purpose of college athletics.

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Looks like the Big XII members are going to block the move…at least until Oklahoma decides its future (ESPN):

Texas A&M’s move to the SEC ultimately would happen if Oklahoma stays put in the Big 12, but until that occurs eight of the remaining nine Big 12 schools will not waive their right to pursue litigation against the SEC and A&M, a source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com.

During Wednesday’s conference call of the Big 12’s board of directors, the source said it was made clear that the SEC was unwilling to accept the Aggies until the rest of the Big 12 schools waived their right to sue. The confusion arose from a letter that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe sent to SEC commissioner Mike Slive on Sept. 2, in which Beebe stated that the Big 12’s board of directors — not the individual schools — wouldn’t pursue litigation.

“This is the first time to my knowledge that a conference has been requested to waive any legal claims toward another conference for any damages suffered with a membership change,” Beebe said in a statement Wednesday. He added that the waiver “did not and could not bind the individual member institutions’ governing boards to waive institutional rights.”

Stay tuned…

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119 Responses to SEC unanimously accepts A&M; Big XII blocking move? (Updated 8pm)

  1. gopack10 09/07/2011 at 2:47 PM #

    I think we can all agree that none of us necessarily WANT expansion but the reality of it is that it is happening and if State holds serve then we might be doing more damage in the long run. My question is why not try and join the SEC? It would give us a recruiting advantage in football and honestly won’t be that big of a step down in basketball if Maryland and say Mizzo join along with A&M. I for one wouldn’t mind seeing State move to the SEC but my first choice is to obviously keep the current ACC in tact and then try and add 2-4 members from the Big East/Big 12. Say West Virginia, Louisville, Mizzou and Baylor to form a Super Conference of our own.

  2. LRM 09/07/2011 at 2:58 PM #

    GC, c’mon man, why all the rage today?

    For the record, I’ve been a WPC member and LTR holder since March 2002; I graduated in Dec 2001.

    Football may be the driving force here, but it’s not everything. There is also basketball, which historically has been our claim to fame. We have a much better chance of regaining national prominance thru basketball in the ACC, not thru football or basketball in the SEC.

    Count me as a basketball-first guy. I’m not saying I like any of this, because I don’t. But as a pragmatist I appreciate that basketball revenue is *significantly* less than football — that’s indisputable. The ACC combined football/basketball TV deals already pale in comparison to the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-12. Those pay out $20-23 million per school now, and may pay out as much as $28-30 million in a few years; meanwhile, the ACC pays out around $14 million per school now, and an 8-team basketball league can expect to generate *significantly* less revenue per school — maybe as little as 50% of the current model.

    State is already near the bottom of the ACC in revenue, so being a part of a weakened ACC — one that is left out of the BCS — doesn’t benefit us much, and it certainly doesn’t support the road to prominence in either sport. Ticket sales don’t even cover operating expenses, so the *only* reason State operates in the black is due to the TV/BCS revenues. An 8-team ACC wouldn’t be included in the BCS deal.

  3. Rick 09/07/2011 at 3:12 PM #

    “If we don’t immediately push to be the SEC’s 14th member, then we deserve the painful rogering that we shall surely receive.

    In my view, there’s really no alternative that makes even the slightest bit of sense for NC State. Without that, get ready for C-USA caliber football and HUGE cuts in athletic department revenue.”

    I agree 100% with this.
    The ACC is dying.

  4. Rick 09/07/2011 at 3:13 PM #

    “BJD, do you want to give that much control of the school’s destiny to factions outside of the school. Because basically what you are suggesting is that we beg someone to take us.”

    Since NCSU has done such a good job of managing our school I can see why you would not want to give up control. Snort.

  5. packplantpath 09/07/2011 at 3:16 PM #

    “1) Sit tight and see what happens, ……
    2) You assume that the ACC will totally disinergrate regardless of whatever happens. Funny, we hold some of the largest ESPN contracts that there are.
    3) OR be patient……”

    GC, your idea is wait and see what everybody else does? This from the guy saying we have options and need to control our destiny? Doing nothing is an option I suppose…..But not one where we have any power. That is totally reactive. That is the opposite of controlling our own destiny. That is letting VT, Fl state, etc control our destiny. Why not be proactive behind close doors.

    Yes, I do assume the ACC will disintegrate because the alternative wouldn’t impact us at all. If the acc ceases to exist waiting will look very stupid when programs that were proactive slide right into the new conference. If it doesn’t happen, we are still in the same place we are now in a conference that will still exist. Where is the risk? It is a very safe null hypothesis.

    Nobody is saying we should release a statement pulling out of the conference and asking the SEC to take us. That would be monumentally stupid unless we already know the SEC will take us. None of this stuff should be in the public at this point. We absolutely should be talking to people behind closed doors.

  6. Wolfacct 09/07/2011 at 3:17 PM #

    Here’s an idea that makes allot of sense to me: Currently, there are 66 teams in the BCS conferences: (PAC 12, Big 12(10), Big 10 (12), SEC (12); ACC (12); and Big East (8). To these, add Notre Dame, BYU, Boise State, TCU. Add maybe Navy and Air Force to get to 72 teams. These merge into four 18-team conferences, with the 4 conference champions in a playoff for the national championship. Each conference has two 9-team divisions. Each team plays the other 8 teams in their division, plus 2 teams from the other division. Still allows for one or two non-conference games.

    The losers in this scenario are the 50 or so teams in Div. 1 that are not in these 4 super-conferences. The play-for-money games would be reduced, but they could have their own playoff system.

    In this scenario NCSU (and the remainder of the ACC) would be in one of the 4 supers, and could possibly maintain some of the current rivalries.

  7. Rick 09/07/2011 at 3:19 PM #

    “OR be patient, see what develops and if the ACC starts to fall apart (not a forgone conclusion) then we can market our large booster’s club, TV market, facilities (maybe Jed will at least have some legacy), and ticket sales. I PROMISE we will have some options and WE can control our destiny.”

    How has patience worked for us in the past?
    How many successful businesses sit around to see what happens?

    It is this myopic refusal to change that has been the millstone around NCSU’s neck for decades. I hope we have leadership that can avoid this head in the sand view of the future of college athletics.

  8. VaWolf82 09/07/2011 at 3:29 PM #

    Funny, we hold some of the largest ESPN contracts that there are.

    Not true. The Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC all have substantially larger contracts than the ACC.

  9. BJD95 09/07/2011 at 3:32 PM #

    If 48 teams is enough to have a viable super-conference landscape (and it is), what’s the incentive to split up the pie further? People keep talking about 4 leagues, but I just don’t see it.

  10. VaWolf82 09/07/2011 at 3:33 PM #

    Just to be clear…I don’t think that there is a chance in hell that the SEC would be interested in State. However, it would benefit State greatly if they were.

  11. packplantpath 09/07/2011 at 3:38 PM #

    “Just to be clear…I don’t think that there is a chance in hell that the SEC would be interested in State. However, it would benefit State greatly if they were.”

    I absolutely agree there. It would be a strange set of fortuitous circumstances that even gets us a look for the SEC. My ultimate hope isn’t even for the SEC to take us, I’m not that deluded. Ultimately, I just want to be part of the final conference landscape and doing nothing doesn’t seem like a good idea to ensure that.

  12. BJD95 09/07/2011 at 3:50 PM #

    I think if we sell our case with maximum effectiveness, maybe we have a 20 percent or so chance.

  13. Pack Mentality 09/07/2011 at 4:07 PM #

    OK, say we join the SEC. With all of this newfound TV money we end up with so much damn money we just don’t know what to do with ourselves. Every cigar that the AD smokes is lit off a $100 bill. JACKPOT!!!!

    But now we go from a team that last won a conference title in a crappy conference 32 years ago. We did at least have reasonable hopes of finishing in the top 5 of the conference SOME years, with every once in a while having an October that includes great games, good wins, and leaves us mathmatically in the hunt. Now in the SEC there is absolutely no chance in hell that we could even be in the hunt in October.

    Oh yeah, being in the SEC will improve recruiting…(rolling my eyes).

    We are RICH AS HELL FROM TV MONEY though!!!!

  14. ncsu1987 09/07/2011 at 4:27 PM #

    Wow. Once again I’ve found the feisty thread. Since everybody else is chiming in, I will too. For the record I’m a lifelong basketball guy who’s recently coming ’round to the football side. I love the tradition of the ACC, but I also recognize that it’s a thing of the past. The only “tradition” left in the ACC is Duke/UNX/ESPN basketball, and that can be laid squarely at the feet of our conference leadership. The castration of the rest of the league to bolster the blues is coming home to roost. If the SEC offers us anything, we should grab it and run, before they change their minds. But they won’t.

  15. Lunatic Fringe 09/07/2011 at 4:29 PM #

    It’s less about competing and more about surviving at this point. The money is important, but the exposure is important too.

    You need the major conferences to get the major TV networks interested in your product for the money and the exposure. NC State needs to be in a major conference and they should be atleast asking the SEC are they interested.

    Oregon built a football program out of money and exposure. The talent followed both…

  16. Pack Mentality 09/07/2011 at 4:40 PM #

    “Oregon built a football program out of money and exposure. The talent followed both…

    That wasn’t from the conference they were in or TV money. I think there is alumni who is kind of high up in the sports world.

  17. Gowolves 09/07/2011 at 4:41 PM #

    ^Oregon built their program because they had NIKE in their back pocket. Let’s not go over board. NIKE bought them the exposure and gave them money. Not everyone has that.

    Of course Maryland will have it soon(Under Armour)

  18. packplantpath 09/07/2011 at 4:54 PM #

    “But now we go from a team that last won a conference title in a crappy conference 32 years ago.”

    I can’t tell. Is saying we suck an argument for or against joining the SEC?

    We have spent my lifetime as ACC cellar dwellers. What difference does it make if we move to SEC cellar dwellers? I expect within a few years in the SEC we would hold about the same place in the pecking order we do in the ACC. We would fall somewhere in the middle. Just think, with an 14 team league, you can be 7th and be in the middle of the league!!!!

  19. Pack Mentality 09/07/2011 at 4:58 PM #

    ^We are in the hunt late in the season in the ACC occasionally. This would not happen in the SEC. I disagree with you that we would have the same positioning in the SEC as we do in the ACC.

    And whether we win the title or not, football is here for entertainment. I do not care about the team and am not as entertained by the football season when it is early to mid October and we have already killed our chances at anything. And I believe this would happen more often in the SEC than it does in the ACC.

  20. Tampa-Pack 09/07/2011 at 4:58 PM #

    ^BJD – I agree about the numbers. There are at least the three conferences who are a given, but why do they need to share it with anyone else. Adding teams from the ACC/Big East (with a couple of exceptions) just lessens the pot for everyone. I get the appeal to get to 16 (maybe 18), but don’t really see why there needs to be a 4th conference (especially if they go 18).

    I honestly could almost just as easily going the other way – maybe the top 20 schools break off and form their own conference, have their own championship, etc. All the money would follow (since they’ve have the majority of the talent) and they’d have to split it even less.

  21. BJD95 09/07/2011 at 5:03 PM #

    Good point, Tampa. That scares me shitless (imagining less than 48).

  22. Pack Mentality 09/07/2011 at 5:05 PM #

    “The only “tradition” left in the ACC is Duke/UNX/ESPN basketball, and that can be laid squarely at the feet of our conference leadership”

    That can be laid at the feet of a school who was in that rivalry and gave it’s program the death penalty.

  23. kool k 09/07/2011 at 5:06 PM #

    So we’re going to talk about the ‘ol ACC one day the way we talk about the WCW today?

  24. LRM 09/07/2011 at 5:16 PM #

    I’m not sure anyone is arguing we’d compete for the SEC title. Instead, we’re arguing that those who cling to the tradition of a potentially-irrelevant ACC better be ok with significantly-reduced TV revenues (which currently account for about 30% of many budgets, and at State, near the bottom in ACC revenue, where ticket revenues don’t cover operating expenses, are the only reason we operate in the black), limited TV appearances, and the conference champion playing the SEC #12 in the Liberty Bowl.

    Simply, we want to put ourselves into the position to compete, and that’s not necessarily guaranteed in a future ACC. I agree with VaWolf that there is little chance the SEC would ever want us, but why sit idly by hoping the ACC survives? Hope isn’t a strategy.

  25. Lunatic Fringe 09/07/2011 at 5:17 PM #

    Pack Mentality,

    You missed the point or rather made my point for me. As you stated, not every school has the kind of luxury to have an in like Nike, but the basic recipe that built that program was still lots of money & exposure.

    A power conference provides money and exposure for those who can’t get it on their own.

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