SEC unanimously accepts A&M; Big XII blocking move? (Updated 8pm)

Now that it’s official that A&M will become the 13th member, it’s absolutely certain the SEC will at least add a 14th member, and probably soon (ESPN):

The member presidents of the Southeastern Conference unanimously voted to accept Texas A&M Tuesday night as the league’s 13th member, but the Aggies’ official acceptance has been delayed by the potential threat of legal action.

The SEC’s presidents want assurances that no individual Big 12 school will sue for contractual interference over Texas A&M’s departure. Baylor has not given that assurance to this point, according to sources.

“We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action,” University of Florida president and SEC chairman Dr. Bernie Machen said in a statement released Wednesday. “The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. “

The only holdup to this becoming official is potential legal action by Baylor, which stands to lose the most of all Big XII members should the conference become defunct, as expected (Yahoo!):

A threat of legal action by Baylor has, at least temporarily, held up Texas A&M’s move to the SEC. The SEC’s presidents voted unanimously Tuesday night to extend an invitation to Texas A&M to become the league’s 13th member, but that invitation is contingent upon all of Texas A&M’s Big 12 counterparts waiving their right to a legal challenge.

A source said Baylor had broken ranks with the remaining Big 12 members, which decided last week to waive their right to legally challenge a move by Texas A&M. In a statement, Florida president Bernie Machen, the chair of the SEC’s presidents group, said the SEC would not accept Texas A&M as a member until the potential legal roadblocks were cleared.

The question for State fans: how will this affect the ACC, and thus, State? Sources indicate that Virginia Tech may be the target for the 14th member, so the dominoes may begin to fall very soon now.

There’s been much discussion on SFN about State promoting itself as a target for SEC expansion. LRM says the ACC should raid the Big XII rather than the Big East; maybe the ACC thinks that’s the right idea.

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Dan Wetzel asks if bigger is better (Yahoo!):

To call the proposed 16-member leagues “superconferences” is a painful misnomer. Bigger isn’t better for anyone who isn’t getting a bonus based on a television contract. It’s not good for the athletes, the coaches, the alumni or the general fans.

College football’s enduring appeal includes history, tradition and regional rivalries, all of which are currently being spit on by the warring conference commissioners and duped university presidents, a group that likes to refer to itself as the “guardians of the game”

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops on Tuesday had to shrug at the possibility that the storied Oklahoma-Texas “Red River Shootout” – first played in 1900, usually in Dallas at the Texas State Fair – could cease to exist.

“Sometimes that’s the way it goes,” Stoops said, noting the decision is beyond his control.

Already the Texas-Texas A&M rivalry, which began in 1894, is in jeopardy. Even schools that wind up safe in a big conference will play their long-time rivals less.

And the impact here on other sports – most notably men’s and women’s basketball – could be brutal. Essentially the people who think the BCS is a good idea are threatening the fabric of March Madness.

It may be inevitable, but there are very few positives about any of this. Football is football, so the product will deliver in the end, but the people running the sport are trying their best to maim the appeal.

“I feel like further consolidation and more stability would be a healthy thing for college football,” Pac-12 (or will it be Pac-16?) commissioner Larry Scott said Saturday. “Right now there’s obviously some instability that I don’t think is a particularly healthy thing in certain parts of the country.”

Nice line, but it’s the consolidation that is causing the instability. The Big 12 was fine until Scott came calling in 2010 in an effort to bolster his soon-to-be negotiated media rights deal. While conference membership has occasionally shifted through the years, there was never a free-for-all like this, one that threatened the very collegial purpose of college athletics.

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Looks like the Big XII members are going to block the move…at least until Oklahoma decides its future (ESPN):

Texas A&M’s move to the SEC ultimately would happen if Oklahoma stays put in the Big 12, but until that occurs eight of the remaining nine Big 12 schools will not waive their right to pursue litigation against the SEC and A&M, a source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com.

During Wednesday’s conference call of the Big 12’s board of directors, the source said it was made clear that the SEC was unwilling to accept the Aggies until the rest of the Big 12 schools waived their right to sue. The confusion arose from a letter that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe sent to SEC commissioner Mike Slive on Sept. 2, in which Beebe stated that the Big 12’s board of directors — not the individual schools — wouldn’t pursue litigation.

“This is the first time to my knowledge that a conference has been requested to waive any legal claims toward another conference for any damages suffered with a membership change,” Beebe said in a statement Wednesday. He added that the waiver “did not and could not bind the individual member institutions’ governing boards to waive institutional rights.”

Stay tuned…

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119 Responses to SEC unanimously accepts A&M; Big XII blocking move? (Updated 8pm)

  1. GoldenChain 09/07/2011 at 12:17 PM #

    OK, so let’s say I accept your premise: we petition the SEC to join. We can’t even be competitive in the ACC what makes you think we’ll be able to do so in the SEC? We’ve had one winning ACC record in how many years?

    So you’re reasoning is that if we join the SEC, become the doormatt, but get our share of the revenue sharing all will be right with the world?! Never mind that people quit comeing and buying tickets to see blow-out loses. I mean WTF would I want to pay money and take an entire day to us get beat by 50pts vs LSU or Florida? Seriously?!
    I don’t get it. Sorry. When that day comes the WPC loses me after 32 years.

    BTW is this a good time to bring up the topic of how many of you are in the WPC (BJD?). You have all kinds of ‘mouth equity’ but no skin in the game right?

  2. Gowolves 09/07/2011 at 12:32 PM #

    I would rather have money and at least a shot every year than have nothing and have no shot at relavence again. That would happen if NCSU does not navigate this well.

    FSU and Miami whipped every one of us for years when they rolled in the ACC. Oh thats right FSU doesn’t hold that power anymore and Miami has never had it since they joined. Things change. Just ask Clemson, Notre Dame, Boise St., TCU, etc.

    GC if you would rather play cupcakes and not be challenged every week then just have your team go play the local junior colleges!

  3. VaWolf82 09/07/2011 at 12:32 PM #

    BJD, I respect you but you are so FOS and buying into the hype so bad man! We have a 55,000 seat stadium that is sold out for every game despite our spotted success over the years, we have one of the largest hoops arena and are still in teh top 20 in paid attendence in the country AND WE HAVE FREAKIN SUXed A HOOPS FOR YEARS.

    All this plus the TV/Bowl/NCAA money and State is still near the bottom of the ACC in revenue. State will have to eliminate many/most of the non-revenue sports if the TV revenue takes a significant hit…like it will when the ACC = CUSA.

  4. Khan 09/07/2011 at 12:40 PM #

    ^^^That’s what I’ve been wondering…. If we’re in the SEC, how are we going to compete with the LSUs, the Floridas, the Auburns of the world? We’re barely competitive now. At least, we’re in most of the games, and though we lose some of those tight games, they still make me think we have a chance, so I continue the painful process of watching.

    If we join the SEC and we get blown out most of the time, that doesn’t seem to be enjoyable to me. Maybe basketball will be different and maybe eventually, we can be more competitive there. But the jury’s still waaaaay out on that.

    Maybe someday we’ll have an elite football team that could compete with some of the upper tier teams of the SEC, but it is not this day. And unfortunately, I haven’t seen anything to suggest that it’s coming soon.

  5. LRM 09/07/2011 at 12:41 PM #

    Stadium size is irrelevant to us; ticket sales don’t even cover operating expenses. This is 100% about TV/BCS revenue; no sense arguing otherwise.

    The argument is whether you want to be a have, or a have not; I suspect being a top tier have not would have a greater negative impact on fan support than a lower tier have.

  6. jbpackfan 09/07/2011 at 12:47 PM #

    The SEC doesn’t want us, and it is unlikely that our leadership is actively seeking entry into that league. If 16 team mega-conferences happen, State, Clemson, WFU, Georgia Tech, Miami and BC will be in limbo with remnants of the Big East, assuming UNC and Duke bail. I don’t feel good about that scenario.

  7. BJD95 09/07/2011 at 12:58 PM #

    I addressed this in my original post last week. SEC membership will open recruiting doors, and enable us to separate ourselves from our current recruiting rivals. Particularly if and when the “remnant” programs go down from the current ACC’s already meager stature.

    Plus, South Carolina was generally shitty for 70+ years. They’ve since had the best two decades of their program’s history in the SEC cauldron.

    It’s no better an argument than “why don’t we drop down to C-USA or 1-AA, we would dominate there!” For one, it would be rather hallow. But second, we would lose the ability to attract the athletes and have the budget that we currently have. There’s a correlation between your league and your ability to put your best foot forward. I don’t believe for a second that it’s ever a handicap to be in a good league.

  8. coach13 09/07/2011 at 1:07 PM #

    This “can’t compete with the SEC” stuff is a little over the top. For one, Bama, UF, Tenn, LSU are split to different divisions and u would not play them all in a year. And guess what, they have mediocre teams as well (Kentucky,MSU, Ark, Vandy, Miss, GA trending down). I don’t see our fortunes in the W/L taking that big of a hit.

    The up sides? 1-Money. 2-With exception of kentucky, we’d be in the upper half of basketball provided MG is successful. 3-And finally, local football recruits could stay local and play in the SEC.

    We don’t know what the ACC is planning but I don’t think anyone has any confidence in them.

  9. redsteel 09/07/2011 at 1:13 PM #

    “The argument is whether you want to be a have, or a have not; I suspect being a top tier have not would have a greater negative impact on fan support than a lower tier have.”

    Good point.

    “We don’t know what the ACC is planning but I don’t think anyone has any confidence in them.”

    So true…..

  10. BJD95 09/07/2011 at 1:22 PM #

    Just for fun, this could be who goes where:

    SEC: TAMU, Missouri, NC State, Maryland

    PAC: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

    BIG: Notre Dame, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Kansas, Boston College

  11. redsteel 09/07/2011 at 1:22 PM #

    From ESPN:

    “Texas A&M has said throughout the process that it was taking methodical steps. The Aggies hope to begin play in the SEC next season and have already sold out season tickets, in part from anticipation of the move.”

    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move

  12. tjfoose1 09/07/2011 at 1:25 PM #

    So then, what you all are saying is that it has all come down to the SEC’s prerogative as to whether NC State athletics survive? This time in history, right now, it’s make or break it for the Wolfpack?

    The SEC either takes us into their fold, or its all over, we should just go ahead and start petitioning one of the local high school conferences to join their ranks?

    That’s a lot of power to yield to entities over which you have no control. Become like ECU? Sounds like some of you are already there, reduced to begging for the chance to be the SEC’s bitch.

    Have some of you joined the Tyler Hansbrough book reading tour and mistaken it for current events?

  13. packplantpath 09/07/2011 at 1:25 PM #

    “So you’re reasoning is that if we join the SEC, become the doormatt, but get our share of the revenue sharing all will be right with the world?”

    Hasn’t that been our experience in the ACC for the most part too?

    GC, there are really only 3 possibilities for us as I see it.

    1) Hope nothing changes the conference landscape and expansion is dead. (Too late)
    2) Get an invite into one of the major post-expansion conferences.
    3) Get left behind with ECU outside the major conferences looking in.

    Our only hope is 2. The SEC is and will remain the premier football conference. Why wouldn’t you want to join? Even if you don’t get invited, positioning us for SEC membership makes us look better to the remaining major conferences and hopefully one of those picks us up.

  14. BJD95 09/07/2011 at 1:29 PM #

    You can’t cede power that you don’t have. It’s either be proactive or hope for the best. I think the former is a move of empowerment. If you think this looks like shameless begging now, wait until the next round.

  15. JEOH2 09/07/2011 at 1:44 PM #

    I can dig all the arguements for why we should move to the SEC to survive…but that doesn’t mean I’d ever want to see it, or be happy about spending 40 years in the wilderness…but Id rather survive than be irrelevant…

    One problem…if we push for the SEC and they don’t want us…imagine the headlines at that point…

    btw, every conversation I’ve heard reference FOUR major conferences…w/ Pac12, B1G, & SEC…if the Big XII is all but on life support…why is there an assumption that the ACC would die as opposed to the Big East…if this is about football revenue why would a conference with non-football members survive over ours? Serious question

  16. LRM 09/07/2011 at 1:58 PM #

    I imagine we’ll see some ugliness as this all plays out.

    Recall that originally, Virginia Tech was party to the Big East lawsuit against the ACC (similar to Baylor now)…until they wielded enough political power in the Virginia legislature to force themselves upon the ACC and trade spots with Syracuse. I can’t imagine they could run off to the SEC and leave Virginia in a dying conference without a battle. Maryland would likely jump at a Big Ten invite; possibly BC. Syracuse, Pitt and Rutgers are each likely Big Ten targets as well. No way Florida State sits idly by while the ACC crumbles; I don’t buy the supposed gentlemen’s agreement with the SEC is unwavering. The Duke-Carolina machine might even be in play.

    Iowa State and Baylor are screwed, no doubt; but State, Georgia Tech, Clemson and Virginia could end up just as screwed if they wait to see how the ACC reacts.

    It’s entirely possible (however unlikely) that the ACC is going to become nothing but a name. That’s why many of us are taking the pragmatic view here.

  17. LRM 09/07/2011 at 2:04 PM #

    The real insanity here is that this is all completely redefining the structure of college football. They’re basically building a playoff system without actually having a playoff, so they can maintain the lucrative BCS structure.

    What will become necessary is a trend towards Divisions within those conferences, especially considering that 16- or 18-team conferences will have teams that could possibly not meet for entire decades. I wonder if this is how folks felt 75 years ago when college football transformed from a regional to a national phenomenon.

  18. Wulfpack 09/07/2011 at 2:11 PM #

    You either choose to try to play the game or you don’t. If you don’t, you most certainly will be left behind. If we are forced to remain in the ACC, IF the ACC even is able to continue to exist, we are going to be playing some yawners for opponents. It’s pretty simple. We must move. Hopefully, we can.

  19. Packfan28 09/07/2011 at 2:11 PM #

    This does not bode well for NC State. We cannot claim to be a force in either basketball or football, and therefore in danger of falling through the cracks and ending up in some crappy 2nd tier conference. Hard to believe, but it is possible.

  20. Hungwolf 09/07/2011 at 2:17 PM #

    I think many have wanted to say goodbye to the NCAA and the money they pay the NCAA. Super Conferences can have their own playoffs and tournaments plus work out their own “championship” agreements with the other super conferences. The superconferences can create their own football league. Take away the NCAA in football and you can start paying the players. The future may be that you go to Alabama to play football, get paid, and never leave. Always playing for Alabama. As much money as the NFL is taking in, why shouldn’t colleges want in on the big money also. Maybe the NFL should start worrying and looking at colleges becoming a competing league.

  21. GoldenChain 09/07/2011 at 2:19 PM #

    “That’s a lot of power to yield to entities over which you have no control. Become like ECU? Sounds like some of you are already there, reduced to begging for the chance to be the SEC’s bitch.”

    tjf, you are the man! My point exactly.
    You have no idea what will or won’t happen to the ACC so why the outcry to BEG the SEC to let us be their bytch?!

    Damn, I’m glad I’m not in business or married to any of you, however I would welcome the opportunity to lay poker with you!LOL

  22. GoldenChain 09/07/2011 at 2:27 PM #

    “1) Hope nothing changes the conference landscape and expansion is dead. (Too late)
    2) Get an invite into one of the major post-expansion conferences.
    3) Get left behind with ECU outside the major conferences looking in
    Our only hope is 2.”

    Yeah muscle brain that’s an exhaustive list alright!
    Except for:
    1) Sit tight and see what happens, if FSU, VATech and the original base sit tight and we merge or add some Big East teams we are in a better position are we not and we will be in a much more competitive situation. Not to mention the academic side.
    2) You assume that the ACC will totally disinergrate regardless of whatever happens. Funny, we hold some of the largest ESPN contracts that there are.
    3) OR be patient, see what develops and if the ACC starts to fall apart (not a forgone conclusion) then we can market our large booster’s club, TV market, facilities (maybe Jed will at least have some legacy), and ticket sales. I PROMISE we will have some options and WE can control our destiny.

    Gesus, this just gets stupider and stupider.

  23. 61Packer 09/07/2011 at 2:32 PM #

    The same people on here who keep urging us to head for the SEC would scream bloody murder if we finished 6-6 this season in the ACC. Would they be happy with a 4-8 record in the SEC instead? That’s exactly what such a move would bring about.

    The SEC would NOT want us even if we told them we wanted to come. Why would they? They can pick and choose whoever they want. They sure wouldn’t go after Baylor if it was the Bears instead of Texas A&M petitioning for SEC membership. And anyone who can realistically look at recent athletic achievement would see little difference between Baylor and NCSU, not only in football but in all other sports.

    I’ve heard Va Tech’s name come up for the SEC, but why would they want to risk such a move? They’re be reduced to about what we are in the ACC if they took on the SEC in football, maybe even worse. For many years, their fanbase wanted to be in the ACC, so why would such a move please their fans? The only teams in the ACC that make sense to me in the SEC from both a geographical and competitive standpoint would be Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech and Clemson. No other ACC team outside of those four could join the SEC right now and maintain the level of gridiron success they’ve had in the ACC for the past decade.

    Football may be the driving force here, but it’s not everything. There is also basketball, which historically has been our claim to fame. We have a much better chance of regaining national prominance thru basketball in the ACC, not thru football or basketball in the SEC. I dare say at least half of Wolfpack fans would prefer our emphasis to be on basketball rather than on football. And you can ditto that for Duke, UNC and Wake Forest fans. The last thing they’d want now is to wake up tomorrow and be in the SEC, especially Duke and Wake.

    We should sit tight for now. If the ACC loses any members to expansion, plenty of teams would line up to replace them. Personally, I’d love to see Miami, Florida State, Boston College and Georgia Tech leave, giving us 8 regional teams again.

  24. GoldenChain 09/07/2011 at 2:33 PM #

    From my earlier post:
    “BTW is this a good time to bring up the topic of how many of you are in the WPC. You have all kinds of ‘mouth equity’ but no skin in the game right?”

    You guys have all kinds of great advice for DY and Woodson, who will promise to step up and pick up my slack if I drop out of the WPC over this?
    Who will be the 1st to put their money where their mouth is and write DY and tell her if she petitions the SEC and is successful they will join the WPC to show their support?!

    …yeah, that’s what I though. Chickens; because if you felt that way you’d have jumped on it a couple of hours ago….or come up with the idea yourselves.

  25. PackerInRussia 09/07/2011 at 2:39 PM #

    I hadn’t heard about the SEC not taking anyone if the other members of their conference hadn’t waived the right to take legal action. I wonder if other conferences have a similar agreement. That’d be an easy way to keep a conference together: tell every other school that you won’t let them leave.

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