Texas to ACC? FSU looks at options (Wednesday 8am Update)

Nice link about possible expansion moves posted by Six Pack on the SFN Forums. This column offers three possible scenarios as well as some additional insight into how it could play out (Statesman.com):

A high-ranking Texas source said that the ACC has been in contact with Texas, but added that talks hadn’t progressed to a mature phase. In fact, the source wasn’t sure what other schools the ACC would look to add besides Texas.

Don’t take that to mean it won’t work.

The ACC is willing to talk about a unique conference format that has intrigued Texas. Instead of divisions, the conference could be divided into four pods, with each pod containing four teams, to aid scheduling.

So don’t completely fall asleep on the ACC, although Texas would probably prefer it bring along at least one partner, probably Texas Tech.

Actually, the source said, the Pac-12 has been in discussions about using a pod system as a way to divide the conference too. Besides, Texas isn’t in love with the thought of playing in a division that includes none of the Los Angeles-based teams.

But that’s not what’s on the table right now.

“Texas really isn’t happy with the way the Pac-12 would like to align the conference,” a well-placed source said. “They want to put all the former Pac-8 schools in one division and group all the former Big 12 schools (assuming Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech join) with Utah and the Arizona schools.”

I’ve previously argued that raiding the Big East again might not be the right response this time around, and that Swofford should look west towards Oklahoma and Texas if the ACC wants to remain a viable player in the BCS. It appears that, at the very least, the idea is being considered. Keep in mind that ESPN produces the Longhorns Network and owns primary rights to ACC football and basketball, so this would probably make it more likely to structure a revenue model from which everyone in the new ACC would benefit.

Now, I do find it somewhat comical that poor ol’ Texas seems almost aghast that their Big XII family will soon break up and they’ll likely lose their two biggest rivals — most indications are the series with A&M will not continue after this season, and Oklahoma doesn’t seem eager to continue the series if it moves to the Pac-12 — in the process, even though it’s the Longhorns (and their Network) who have alienated those rivals during the past year.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will likely stay together, so I imagine Texas would push hard to bring Texas Tech with it to the ACC. With 14 members, Swofford may not necessarily need to even look towards the Big East to expand, at least not immediately. Perhaps the expansion will end with the SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, and ACC each going to 14 for now (with Missouri to the SEC and some combination of Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and/or Syracuse to the Big Ten).

If the ACC does go to 16, I promoted the idea of pods a while back as the only real option to maintain scheduling flexibility and keep traditional rivalries fresh (without potentially decade-long gaps between meetings under a traditional home-and-home then off rotation model). This would be similar to the NFL model, where everyone in Pod A would play the same teams from Pod B, C, or D, with two protected rivalry games that are played annually. For instance, State and Carolina would be in different pods but still play every year; same for Alabama with Auburn and Tennessee, etc. As for how a conference champion would be determined, that’s anyone’s guess; with superconferences, it wouldn’t really matter because they’ll be the only ones invited to the BCS party anyway.

Wednesday 8am Update:

I’ve said previously that Florida State would not sit idly by while the ACC plunges into football irrelevance — gentlemen’s agreement or not, they would fight for an SEC invite. But now, apparently, Florida State is in favor of the ACC adding Texas to solidify its football relevance (The Palm Beach Post):

Florida State has begun taking forceful steps to prepare itself for conference realignment, whether that means joining Florida in the SEC or becoming part of an ACC super conference that may include Texas.

With recent talk of a possible formation of four super conferences, Andy Haggard, chairman of FSU’s board of trustees, said Tuesday that his school has begun forming a committee that will explore the university’s options. He says FSU should be prepared for any scenario, whether it’s moving to another conference or staying in the ACC and having a say in who else may join the league. That could mean Texas, which will seek to leave the Big 12 if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State jump to the Pac-12, which is expected.

Haggard, FSU President Eric Barron and Athletic Director Randy Spetman have held meetings to determine who the decision-makers will be when it comes to forming FSU’s committee.

“We are going to explore the conferences, what’s going on and make sure if anything does happen at Florida State that we are ready,” Haggard said from his law firm office in Coral Gables.

Haggard said the university has been discussing realignment possibilities for some time but just now decided to take the next step and form a committee. They hope to have that committee in place by next week.

Texas would be a homerun addition for the ACC. Like it or not, tradition, culture and geography no longer matter to the structure of modern college football, and no conference that includes Texas will be left out of the future BCS, and it would likely keep others (perhaps Virginia Tech) from defecting.

Plus, longtime State basketball icon Rick Barnes would finally be back in the ACC where he belongs.

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30 Responses to Texas to ACC? FSU looks at options (Wednesday 8am Update)

  1. rtpack24 09/13/2011 at 3:02 PM #

    Will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. Bottom line it is all about money. The kicker to Texas is their network rights are owned by ESPN who also owns the rights to the ACC. The Pac 12 TV rights are owned by FOX so it is easy to see Texas’s real problem with the Pac 12. One lawsuit in any of these alignments will stall the entire process. TV money is big so maybe Texas does end up in the ACC.

  2. Tampa-Pack 09/13/2011 at 3:11 PM #

    At least its now clear why the basketball coaching search took so many turns. Barnes had to remain at Texas to facilitate the integration of Texas and the ACC. That, and Billy had to remain at Florida to get NC State into the SEC should that plan fall through.

    In all seriousness though, adding Texas and another school, would be nice additions to the ACC, outside of geography. If they could grab an additional stronger football program, we’d have some nice teams (VT, FSU, Texas, ?), a seat at the grown-up table, and the ACC would stay intact. Also adds a quality basketball school.

  3. primacyone 09/13/2011 at 3:11 PM #

    T and TT make good since.

    Only problem will be that UNC will demand thier on tarhole network. AND THAT WOULD SUCK. We’d know how TA&M feels.

    Only other problem is that Texas is a long way from ACC land geographically with no conecting states. That could be a reely good thing or a really bad thing for current ACC schools. I’d hate to see the top NC football/basketball recruits go to Texas, just becuase of more awareness of Texas due to the added ACC land TV exposure.

  4. tag42481 09/13/2011 at 3:22 PM #

    Shoot, if we’re going to go pods, do you see if you can grab the Oklahoma schools as well?

    West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
    North: BC, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech
    Central: NCSU, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest
    South: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

    If you’re going pods and you have to give Texas some geographic company, who else would you grab? B12 schools are really your only option, since you’re not going to grab B10 or SEC schools. Probably nothing to gain from adding a non-BCS school out there.

  5. LRM 09/13/2011 at 3:26 PM #

    “Only problem will be that UNC will demand thier on tarhole network. AND THAT WOULD SUCK. We’d know how TA&M feels.

    They already have their own network, it’s called ESPN.

  6. Ed89 09/13/2011 at 3:31 PM #

    They already have their own network, it’s called ESPN.

    ^ CLASSIC!

  7. codebrown 09/13/2011 at 3:56 PM #

    So the new conference name would be Atlantic Coast-Texas and Oklahoma Conference? AC-TOC. Sounds like a sub-machine gun.

  8. Pack85EE 09/13/2011 at 4:12 PM #

    Boy does that Central Pod look weak. How much bashing would we endure, except the Tar babies are always overrated.

  9. ncsu1987 09/13/2011 at 4:17 PM #

    Texas and Oklahoma would never agree to be in a single pod – so that they would have to fight each other for the right to be in the championship game. That’s one of the issues that’s been documented with Texas & Oklahoma to the Pac-12.

  10. JK3 09/13/2011 at 4:18 PM #

    I imagine if we add TU and TT the ACC will go ahead and go to 16. Do they add Kansas and K-State to throw Kansas a lifeline? Or, do they add Syracuse and UConn to give BC some company?

    This is too messed up.

  11. Khan 09/13/2011 at 4:23 PM #

    The ACC won’t need to bring in anyone along with Texas, since NC State is going to the SEC.

  12. tjfoose1 09/13/2011 at 5:01 PM #

    …with Sean Miller and Billy D joining MG’s staff

  13. highstick 09/13/2011 at 5:19 PM #

    This may be worse than tracking tail numbers……..Jeez..wake me when it’s over!

  14. StatePhan4life 09/13/2011 at 5:21 PM #

    Personally I think the optimal fit for the ACC if something this crazy could happen would be pick up Texas, TT, Kansas, K-State

    Those 4 help with Football with the Texas schools and help our basket ball product with all of them. Gives our TV footprint which seems to be the big driving factor in all this, a MASSIVE boost.

    The pods would be
    1 Texas, TT, Kansas, K-State
    2 UM, FSU, Clempson, GT
    3 US, Duke, Wake, UNC
    4 VT, UVA, Maryland, BC

    That should help mitigate ( to some degree ) travel costs for all the other sports and keep/create more regional rivalries while allowing the conference to be all over the damn map.

    Its a pipe dream but that’s a nice vision of the future to me.

    Best two records in the conference play for the championship regardless of anything else. Basketball would be epic with Kansas and Texas coming to town regularly. I think it would be a fun conference. But since it would be fun and almost sorta makes sense (Gotta scrap that Atlantic Coast identity).. it will never happen.

  15. BJD95 09/13/2011 at 5:33 PM #

    Strange days indeed.

    I imagine this is a pseduo-bluff to maximize their “hand” in negotiating with the Pac-12. Though I would be glad to add the Texas/TT combo – probably would ensure ACC survival.

    I think this is less likely than State getting an SEC invite, and less advantageous for NC State. You would essentially just exascerbate the ACC’s existing problem by extending “most favored nation” status to a third member (UT).

    Still, better than virtual extinction. And maybe that’s the selling point for Texas – they know that Swofford’s ACC is more than happy to let certain schools be promoted at the expense of the “underclass” members. Blech.

  16. Manu Ginobili 09/13/2011 at 5:34 PM #

    “So the new conference name would be Atlantic Coast-Texas and Oklahoma Conference? AC-TOC. Sounds like a sub-machine gun.”

    Wikipedia (which is always right) says that the Gulf of Mexico is part of the Atlantic Ocean, so no need for a name change if we only add Texas and TT…

  17. Plz2BStateFan 09/13/2011 at 5:36 PM #

    Either get Texas & Texas Tech in a pod with other former B 12 teams

    Or grab 2 from the Big east and do the following

    Texas, TT, Miami, Clemson.
    BC,VT, Big East 1, Big East 2
    UNC,UVA,Wake, Maryland
    GT, FSU ,NCSU , Duke

    Under no circumstances do we provoke the SEC by looking at their schools.

  18. pack76 09/13/2011 at 7:05 PM #

    Come on! Do you really think that the SEC would let the ACC get Texas. They would do all they could to get Texas if they are ripe for the taking. The ACC would be fortunate to get So.Fla., C. Fla., Memphis, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt., Cinn. W.Va. or (God forbid), ECU.

  19. LRM 09/13/2011 at 9:09 PM #

    How ironic would it be for Texas to follow A&M to the SEC?

  20. runwiththepack 09/13/2011 at 9:52 PM #

    pack76,

    Would the SEC want TX so much if they already have A&M? If it’s about TV markets, then A&M would repel TX just as the FL and GA would repel FL State and GA Tech.

    I can’t put my finger on it, but it just feels to me as though this TX to the ACC may not work because of distance. For football and basketball the distance may not be so much the factor, but adding the other two dozen sports, wouldn’t the presidents balk?

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few ACC schools go to the SEC still, despite a TX move to the ACC.

    I just hope that the ACC and Debbie Yow are on top of all this as it comes down. I have a funny feeling that it may not look very much like just adding TX and TT/KS to the ACC when all is said and done.

  21. highstick 09/13/2011 at 9:56 PM #

    If we can get Oklahoma, we can rename the game in Charlotte, the “Dust Bowl” or the “Dirty Tire Bowl”…Or is that “Tar Bowl”???

  22. john of sparta 09/13/2011 at 10:01 PM #

    how about an ACC Division
    of the Super-Duper SEC?
    this might end up with
    4 BCS conferences.
    the PAC-everything West of the Pecos?
    the Big-as close to Canada as possible?
    the SEC.
    the University of Phoenix (they have a football field).

  23. logarithm 09/13/2011 at 11:44 PM #

    It’s nowhere near the Atlantic Coast. Inexpensive travel be damned, I want geography to matter.

  24. LRM 09/14/2011 at 7:34 AM #

    “It’s nowhere near the Atlantic Coast. Inexpensive travel be damned, I want geography to matter.”

    Unfortunately, geography doesn’t matter anymore.

  25. Lock 09/14/2011 at 9:15 AM #

    …and off in the corner, fighting to hold back tears, college basketball sits, alone and forgotten.

    Reality is what it is, but I hate everything about this.

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