A Legacy of Never Giving Up (a Generation ‘Y’ Perspective)

I remember walking around in my boys-size 6 LA Lights sneakers and following my father who was sporting the ball cap with the old diamond-styled “N-S-C” logo.  My father, who worked as a technical salesman for a textile company (which I still associate as the most NC State-esqe of the NC State degree-fields you can pursue), was meeting up with one of his bosses, also an NC State alumni, to watch the spring game.  I remember  following pretty close behind my father as we took our seats in the upper deck because when you are less than 3ft or 4ft tall, section 11 feels like it’s a 100 miles in the air.

My father started explaining the game of football to me and telling me little things about when he used to attend NC State games as a student.  He pointed out the lawn and talked about my mother and he sitting on the lawn, and watching coaches that I would never know beat Carolina.  My father’s boss gave me a deck of NC State cards that I no longer have.

Shortly after that, my father signed me up for a basketball camp that was taking place in Reynolds.  Basketball camp for 7 and 8 year olds is essentially watching a bunch of kids throw youth-sized kickballs into the regulation goals and celebrating when someone hit’s the net, but I was still star-stunned to see all of these giants walking around in red and white warm-up suits.  Of course I had no idea who any of them were, but that didn’t matter.  They were in my colors and because of that, they were like gods to me.

When it came to basketball, I only barely recall watching my father sit in his command chair (AKA, the recliner) and hearing my mother say “why do you even watch the TV if you are going to get mad at it?”  My father would later tell me about this man who was coaching when I was born who had lead an unsuspecting NC State team to be the best in the country and how he told every player who wore those terrible 1980’s uniforms to “Never give up.”  He told me how those players believed, no matter what the odds were or the statistics said, that they could win each and every game that they played if they just remembered to “Never Give Up”.  He told me about how even on this death-bed as he gave a speech on TV, he would still utter those words “Never give up”.  It clicked when I was still not even 10 that the reason my father watched NC State wasn’t because we were top 5 in the nation and not necessarily because people would see him sporting his NC State memorabilia and be impressed with his affiliation; he rooted for NC State because to be an NC State fan, you had to “Never Give Up”.  The stats and numbers were important, but when it came to being a fan, it was all about belief that your team could pull anything off, announcers and statistics be damned.

Go from those years in the 1990s to the year 2003, which was obviously the year following the 2002 season where NC State had gone to the Gator Bowl and defeated Notre Dame 28-6.  That was about the time when I had to make a decision on where to attend college.  I never really admitted it to my mother, who desperately wanted me to confirm my acceptance to Virginia Tech, or my father (who by the way is GoldenChain on this blog), who was supportive of any of the engineering schools I had opportunities with, but there was never a doubt in my mind that I would attend NC State.  I could have been accepted to MIT, and I bleed NC State so deeply that it would have taken a miracle for me to go anywhere else.  My father obviously gave me his blessing on one condition: I not major in textiles.

Looking back at my life and how much NC State has meant to me as a boy, and now as an alumnus, it’s pretty clear why I am still such a huge NC State fan.  It’s not because of the 2 “impressive” bowl games NC State has gone to out of the past two decades, and it’s definitely not because of the sub-standard basketball performance of the 1990s and mildly acceptable performance of periods in the early 2000s.  The reason why I keep coming back to the whipping post is because to be an NC State fan is to never give up.  That doesn’t mean we don’t form our opinions, bitch and complain about administrative woes, or call for the heads of coaches that “just can’t get it done”. 

No, what it means is that NC State is more than a statistic generator that I follow.  It’s more than a few stand-out players.  It’s more than a coaching era and it’s more than any one individual analyst or wellspring of insider knowledge on a blog.  I don’t follow NC State because I know the results and I don’t follow NC State because of the money I give them.  I don’t follow NC State because anyone will think me a “winner” or because I know my team will give me a good game each and every single season. 

Simply put, I follow NC State because I refuse to ever… ever… ever give up.  Not ever.

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73 Responses to A Legacy of Never Giving Up (a Generation ‘Y’ Perspective)

  1. golf76 09/26/2011 at 5:45 PM #

    There are many reasons Wolfpackers never give up. Perhaps the most famous is “V.” Proof that never giving up pays dividends that last years. We should duly acknowledge “V’s” contribution to NCSU in some permanent way because unless it is done, one day we will all be gone and so will the memories, which means all those who engineered his demise will win. Don’t let that “once in a thousand years” memory die. Never, ever, give up!

  2. lupus occidit arietem 09/26/2011 at 5:56 PM #

    Uh, Highstick. Textile chemistry ’99. Still use my degree every day, even if it is just the polymers and color part.

    Textiles is the one degree that we have (had) and no one else was even close to competing on. That’s right Clemson.

    Every state has an ag school.

    Pulp and the turf guys can make the same
    argument, big ups to them too.

    We are all blessed we went to a school where we had to earn our degree, and even if the government gives our industry away we don’t have to hang our smurf blue BofA in English lit diploma at the local shoney’s waitress station.

    I may be upset our football team is so bad???

  3. state73 09/26/2011 at 6:03 PM #

    I went to NCSU with David T and Tommy B so I have been around for a few years. My 3 children are also alums. We all wish our football team would do better,but being a true Wolfpacker is a lot more than a won-loss record. Thats what makes us different from those who wear sissy blue!!

  4. 61Packer 09/26/2011 at 6:24 PM #

    vtpackfan, do they teach history at Virginia Tech?

  5. vtpackfan 09/26/2011 at 6:52 PM #

    VT has a Polyhistory Dept

  6. highstick 09/26/2011 at 7:44 PM #

    Lupus…translate the moniker..I pick out the “wolf”, but not the rest…My Latin is very weak…

    You could have added, “every state has an Ag school, including Clempson”!!!

  7. Paramarine 09/26/2011 at 7:49 PM #

    I would never do that to my kid.

    Just kidding, great article!

  8. highstick 09/26/2011 at 7:49 PM #

    VT aka the VPI Gobblers??? No one could find that school until they built an interstate that ran by it!! LOL!

    Think of this picture…Hanging out of the dorm windows on Syme over Riddick Stadium and I cannot remember the exact politically incorrect terminology:

    One week it was about “Gobblers” and the next week about “Cocks”.

    Lupus. send me a PM if you’ve got any “connects in the dye industry in Cal”. I get “on missions” occasionally trying to find “long lost roomies and military buds” and have run up against a wall with my roomie. I can find the company name, but can’t figure out what happened to it..

  9. the reality 09/26/2011 at 7:57 PM #

    From reading that truly GREAT header at the top, the history lessons in between, and all the way down to here right, this single thread epitomizes who we are, and all why WE ALL LOVE NC STATE!!!

    Wouldn’t trade it for the world, but man, it has certainly developed a tendancy to try one’s patience much too frequently in recent years (decades).

    Doesn’t change a damn thing, ya’ still gotta love it though!!!

  10. the reality 09/26/2011 at 8:09 PM #

    Highstick, you were talking about the leadership and echoing my own sentiments exactly. The leadership in Raleigh hasn’t all been terrible, misguided at times maybe, but they’ve accomplished many great things. Many, very, CONCRETE things, that is. But now, we need the type of leadership that possesses enough vision and imagination to take those bricks and mortar, breathe FIRE into them, and make them COME TO LIFE!!!

    No turning back, and no more regressions!!! Everything is sitting right there, waiting…

  11. DividedWeFall 09/26/2011 at 8:12 PM #

    I hate that we “Gave Up” at the end of the last two losses – by not using all of our timeouts against WFU or bending over and taking Cincinnati’s scoring barrage.. I’m not a fan of giving up.

  12. the reality 09/26/2011 at 8:22 PM #

    ^Well DividedWeFall, I believe maybe that might tie in nicely with all of that “imagination in leadership” BS that I was eluding to just a moment ago.

  13. Trout 09/26/2011 at 9:18 PM #

    Great story. I grew up in a NC State alum household myself (father c/o 1960) with stories of Roman Gabriel, Lou Pucillo, Everett Case, Reynolds and Riddick so I can certainly relate to your passion for NC State.

  14. john of sparta 09/26/2011 at 9:20 PM #

    essentially, the Notre Dame position.
    10/20/etc. years ago we were….Wang.
    ‘member Wang?

  15. ADVENTUROO 09/26/2011 at 9:31 PM #

    Interesting comments. I have a 1968 degree. When I got there in 1963, Harris Cafeteria was OPEN. It closed BEFORE I graduated and was an “ADMIN” Building. Leazer also closed. We had MORE snack bars than there are car dealerships on Capital Boulevard.

    I am GLAD that SOMEONE(s) picked up the German bombing of Pearl Harbor. Those Germans and the 5 tiny islands that they occupied to the WEST of Hawaii sure caused a BIG ruckus.

    I could have also been the NCSU dad. One of my fondest memories is babysitting in early 1972 with my almost 2 year old son while his mother was out playing bridge and hoping she would get home without going into labor. NCSU BEAT UNC for the first time in BB that I could remember. It was on 2/29/1972 UNC @ N.C. State and NCSU WON 85-84. I can still see my toddler playing with his toys and I am screaming at the TV. When I yell, he yells. I THINK that he became a state fan that night. 9 days later, he had a little sister who is a bigger fan than him.

    Over the years, we moved about and kept getting closer to Raleigh. When the 1983 team went on it’s NCAA run, we taped every game. I had a Super VHS machine and gave Coach Lowe over 30 hours of DVD’s from that run through all the hoopla. It was, as it turns out, my farewell gift to him. We watched the 1983 Championship Game in Sanford with my BIL and his wife, both NCSU grads. They took my kids home that night and we picked them up (they did NOT go to school the next day) and went to Reynolds. This was our SECOND trip to Reynolds. We were in the Parking Lot when V brought them home on Saturday night. While we were in Reynolds, we spotted my other BIL in the crowd. I still remember Coach Lowe’s OVERSIZED Cowboy hat that he wore into the colesium and can still see Coach V as hyper as always, without much of a voice.

    Coach V addressed the Lee County WPC and was a master. I tried to tape it for my daughter, who had her piano recital that night, but he turned off my tape.

    I also remember where I was and what I was doing when my wife came outside and told me that V was dead. I had been expecting it as I had friends who had kids that were close to V’s kids.

    SO, I am NCSU through and through. I am NOT looking forward to this week’s game. It is NOT going to be pretty.

    But, we should all look back and reflect. That is our tradition and, right, wrong, joyous or otherwise (they fired V), it is our history.

    I still listen to Jimmy V’s audio book at least once a year and his ESPY speech. I still cry each time.

  16. 66pack 09/26/2011 at 10:08 PM #

    Adventure,thanks for your post for I and two other grads of state were in a small bar in danville ,va that night when we finally beat unx.we had driven from lyncburg to danville because in danviile the greensboro tv station could be received.we would arrive ,ask bartender to put game on and have beer and boiled eggs.the sports bar of 72.and in 74 we cut classes at medical college of virginia to be in reynolds with david and all on that snowy day.

  17. bTHEredterror 09/26/2011 at 10:22 PM #

    Pride, you are dead on balls accurate with this one, man.

    And sometimes I wonder if it is even a slight health risk, as it does things like make me sit and watch Tyler Brosius with 2 minutes to go in a hopeless situation, because you never know…..okay bad example but you get my point. We hang in there because we have seen incredible things happen, and know if we hang in there, maybe not today but someday, the incredible will happen again.

    For our dyed in the wool loyalty, we certainly deserve better than the last few years have given us……

  18. IMFletcherWolf 09/26/2011 at 10:33 PM #

    Great entry, Pride! It’s not easy being a State fan, but I don’t anything else. And I don’t want to know. Go Pack!

  19. cWOhLFrPAiCKs 09/26/2011 at 10:40 PM #

    Just had to add to the praise: well said, Pride.

  20. NCStatePride 09/27/2011 at 8:17 AM #

    Thanks for the support, guys. I think this article just says what a lot of us feel, but I thought with everything going all to shit on the gridiron, maybe we needed to have a “come to Jesus meeting” to talk about why we put ourselves through this torture. Ugh, I am really, really going to hate this season.

  21. codebrown 09/27/2011 at 9:28 AM #

    I’ll sum it up in one sentence: We’re all masochists.

    No other fan base in this country would ever endure the psychological and emotional beating that we’ve taken in this era. And still come back for more beating season after season. We obviously enjoy the pain. That’s why we all went to NC State.

  22. GoldenChain 09/27/2011 at 9:50 PM #

    “I think he doesn’t recognize it when I’m doing so at times! I never trusted him again after he told me how good the BBQ was at Troutman’s!!!”

    Hey, I was the one that told you it was bad after you complained about it!

  23. runwiththepack 09/27/2011 at 11:32 PM #

    I loved my time at NCSU and I will always be a NCSU fan because of it. No matter how much longer this malaise continues, i can’t imagine not rooting for my “tribe”.

    I grew up in the Raleigh area and came back here after a few years of out-of-state jobs. It’s nice being around old friends and family, and I was also able to see most of my old profs after I graduated, who i loved very much.

    It’s incredible how much Raleigh and NCSU have grown since i was a kid. My next door neighbor was a State grad and WPC booster. He could be seen taking his family to games, all of them decked in red, of course. He was a real good guy, and greatly helped me see what a good place NCSU is.

    I don’t have kids, but a couple of my siblings who also went to NCSU are doing a fine job of making die-hard state fans out of their youngsters.

    We aren’t giving up! Never!

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