A Legacy of Never Giving Up (a Generation ‘Y’ Perspective)

I remember walking around in my boys-size 6 LA Lights sneakers and following my father who was sporting the ball cap with the old diamond-styled “N-S-C” logo.  My father, who worked as a technical salesman for a textile company (which I still associate as the most NC State-esqe of the NC State degree-fields you can pursue), was meeting up with one of his bosses, also an NC State alumni, to watch the spring game.  I remember  following pretty close behind my father as we took our seats in the upper deck because when you are less than 3ft or 4ft tall, section 11 feels like it’s a 100 miles in the air.

My father started explaining the game of football to me and telling me little things about when he used to attend NC State games as a student.  He pointed out the lawn and talked about my mother and he sitting on the lawn, and watching coaches that I would never know beat Carolina.  My father’s boss gave me a deck of NC State cards that I no longer have.

Shortly after that, my father signed me up for a basketball camp that was taking place in Reynolds.  Basketball camp for 7 and 8 year olds is essentially watching a bunch of kids throw youth-sized kickballs into the regulation goals and celebrating when someone hit’s the net, but I was still star-stunned to see all of these giants walking around in red and white warm-up suits.  Of course I had no idea who any of them were, but that didn’t matter.  They were in my colors and because of that, they were like gods to me.

When it came to basketball, I only barely recall watching my father sit in his command chair (AKA, the recliner) and hearing my mother say “why do you even watch the TV if you are going to get mad at it?”  My father would later tell me about this man who was coaching when I was born who had lead an unsuspecting NC State team to be the best in the country and how he told every player who wore those terrible 1980’s uniforms to “Never give up.”  He told me how those players believed, no matter what the odds were or the statistics said, that they could win each and every game that they played if they just remembered to “Never Give Up”.  He told me about how even on this death-bed as he gave a speech on TV, he would still utter those words “Never give up”.  It clicked when I was still not even 10 that the reason my father watched NC State wasn’t because we were top 5 in the nation and not necessarily because people would see him sporting his NC State memorabilia and be impressed with his affiliation; he rooted for NC State because to be an NC State fan, you had to “Never Give Up”.  The stats and numbers were important, but when it came to being a fan, it was all about belief that your team could pull anything off, announcers and statistics be damned.

Go from those years in the 1990s to the year 2003, which was obviously the year following the 2002 season where NC State had gone to the Gator Bowl and defeated Notre Dame 28-6.  That was about the time when I had to make a decision on where to attend college.  I never really admitted it to my mother, who desperately wanted me to confirm my acceptance to Virginia Tech, or my father (who by the way is GoldenChain on this blog), who was supportive of any of the engineering schools I had opportunities with, but there was never a doubt in my mind that I would attend NC State.  I could have been accepted to MIT, and I bleed NC State so deeply that it would have taken a miracle for me to go anywhere else.  My father obviously gave me his blessing on one condition: I not major in textiles.

Looking back at my life and how much NC State has meant to me as a boy, and now as an alumnus, it’s pretty clear why I am still such a huge NC State fan.  It’s not because of the 2 “impressive” bowl games NC State has gone to out of the past two decades, and it’s definitely not because of the sub-standard basketball performance of the 1990s and mildly acceptable performance of periods in the early 2000s.  The reason why I keep coming back to the whipping post is because to be an NC State fan is to never give up.  That doesn’t mean we don’t form our opinions, bitch and complain about administrative woes, or call for the heads of coaches that “just can’t get it done”. 

No, what it means is that NC State is more than a statistic generator that I follow.  It’s more than a few stand-out players.  It’s more than a coaching era and it’s more than any one individual analyst or wellspring of insider knowledge on a blog.  I don’t follow NC State because I know the results and I don’t follow NC State because of the money I give them.  I don’t follow NC State because anyone will think me a “winner” or because I know my team will give me a good game each and every single season. 

Simply put, I follow NC State because I refuse to ever… ever… ever give up.  Not ever.

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73 Responses to A Legacy of Never Giving Up (a Generation ‘Y’ Perspective)

  1. TLeo 09/26/2011 at 3:06 PM #

    “We’re not Western Carolina fans just glad for whatever tablescrap wins we can get.”

    truthbeknown….actually, Western Carolina is much like State in some ways. They have suffered through a lot of bad years too, but back in the 70s and 80s they had some winning seasons in football and went to the playoffs on occasion and even played for a national championship in football in ’83 which State has never done. Just sayin’…careful, don’t look down on them too much considering what State has done in football

  2. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 3:09 PM #

    Not looking down on them, TLeo. But they are just Western Carolina (now). If we go long enough, will we reach that point, too?

  3. highstick 09/26/2011 at 3:14 PM #

    Funny, every time I say something lately, I get a “history lesson” from someone who wasn’t born while I was at State.

    I am not “Bob Kennell”!!

    When was there “no cafeteria” on campus? There were two(three if you count the old Student Union) when I started and I think one(two again if you count the Student Union) when I graduated. Maybe the one beyond Owen had been torn down then though. Since I didn’t live on campus then and virutally all of my classes were in Harrellson at that point, I didn’t eat anywhere on campus except in the old Student Union. Maybe it was torn down post 1972 which might make sense..

    You guys “missed a treat” smelling the bakery items every morning from Leazar Hall Cafeteria. It was hard to turn down a donut.

    A few of us go back to “before women were invented’ and they had to find a place to “hide them at night” on campus.

  4. NCStatePride 09/26/2011 at 3:35 PM #

    Highstick, as GoldenChain puts it, the Technician basically posted an article with pictures of rolls with giant mold spots growing inside of them and really bashing the health standards of the dining halls. I know GC went to NC State from 76-80, so apparently during that time, there was no dining hall.

    I looked around one day in the Technician’s archives and actually found the article. In retrospect, it’s pretty funny.

    BTW, IMO, Textiles is the “most NC State degree at NC State” just because North Carolina has always (a) farmed and (b) produced textiles and upholstery. The agriculture I don’t necessarily view as uniquely NC State simply because you can go out to the mid-west and see some truly spectacular agricultural schools. NC State’s is pretty good, but our Textiles school was, and still is, the best in the world. Your quip about them not having jobs anymore… that’s why GC told me I could major in anything I wanted BESIDES Textiles…

  5. GoldenChain 09/26/2011 at 3:51 PM #

    “When was there “no cafeteria” on campus?”

    You are exactly correct Pride. What happened is that the building beside Carroll dorm (or was it Bowen?) was Harris Hall (?) which had been a cafeteria and due to complaints it was closed and re-opened as the home of the registrar when I showed up in the fall of ’76. Yeah there were other places to eat on campus but they were pay-as-you-go and there was no meal plan. WE did a lot of cooking in electric frying pans, popcorn popers, and toaster ovens. We ate out a lot too: Darryl’s, Two Guys, Brother’s, Rathskeller, Sadlack’s, Baxley’s among others.
    Came the early 80’s and the drinking age increased and the university built that cafeteria over beside Bragaw.
    Thus ended the reign of Hillsboro Street as the Meca for students.

    So Stick, I love ya but they’re right. There was a period that there was no campus “cafeteria” in the late 70’s and very early 80’s.
    Hey, even an old dawg like you can learn something!LOL

  6. redcanine 09/26/2011 at 3:57 PM #

    The passions that State fans refuse to surrender, in many ways, is like that of Francis Ouimet. A mere pedestrian, colliding with the heavyweights of his time, triumphantly earning his place in history.
    Ouimet didn’t do much after winning the US Open. Neither has the Wolfpack in the last 37 years. Does the mistique that has united us to that young caddie still exist?

    It’s the same “never give up” mentality that has earned our championships and unites us and compells us to support our teams. The reason for my recent disenchantment is that it seems (not only to myself) that we lost sight of that. Did you see the Wisc. game last year? We gave up. Did you watch last Thursday’s game?

    “Never Give Up” is more than just a catch-phrase or a cute little anecdote, it’s a part of Wolfpack DNA. I thought Coach Lowe would have known that. Here’s to hoping for a change…of mind.

  7. itskinseyboo 09/26/2011 at 3:59 PM #

    Good piece. Anything with an LA Lights reference is A-OK in my book.

    “WE did a lot of cooking in electric frying pans, popcorn popers, and toaster ovens.” –GC

    Love this quote. My dad told me on numerous occasions about the meals he made in his toaster oven in his dorm room.

  8. tractor57 09/26/2011 at 4:05 PM #

    ‘stick
    I was on campus from the summer of ’75 to May of ’79. Leazar was empty, Harris was closed and became the records repository. There were several snack bars (including the Shuttle Inn in Nelson) at at one point the Walnut Room in the student center. There was no meal plan, we cooked in the roon or wandered over to the defacto cafeterias on Hillsborough (Two Guys, Brothers, Baxley’s, Sadlacks, etc).

  9. TLeo 09/26/2011 at 4:13 PM #

    I hope not Truthbeknown but one sometimes wonders with the way things are going., eh?

  10. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 4:15 PM #

    I hope not Truthbeknown but one wonders, eh?

    I hope we don’t find out.

    This is sad. We have a new basketball coach and no idea what to expect, but I’m more excited about the state of our basketball program than the state of our football program.

  11. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 4:17 PM #

    I think I heard recently that Sadlack’s is closing.

    Anybody know anything about that?

  12. NCStatePride 09/26/2011 at 4:20 PM #

    TBK….. but you better believe that if this coach starts going down in flames, like a pig to the slaughter, I’ll be back at my TV watching every game.

  13. itskinseyboo 09/26/2011 at 4:21 PM #

    TBK, it’s true. The university is building a hotel on that location. There was something about it on WRAL not too long ago.

  14. highstick 09/26/2011 at 4:22 PM #

    That was after I’d graduated(although I was still in Raleigh until Sept, 75), but didn’t visit the “fine dining facilities” on campus after graduation. Since I worked on Hillsborough, I still visited the local establishments including the Friday afternoon beers at My Apartment.
    Leazar was abandoned while I was away in the Amry during 65-fall 70. I’m guessing it closed about the same time that we moved from Riddick to Carter.

    The move to the new union also took place about the time I graduated in Dec. 72. It may have gone down there that fall semester, but I was basically “coasting with some electives”, had gotten married and didn’t hang around on campus much.

    Harris actually was opened my Freshman year in fall 63(maybe even spring 64) after I’d moved from Riddick to Alexander. The food sucked there from the “get go”. Most of the time, we’d just walk to the Union or eat in the snack bar behind the bookstore overlooking the tennis courts.

    Interesting about the meal plan though cause I was on a scholly my freshman and soph year that came with meal plan ticket booklets. I usually got more than I could eat so I’d sell some for beer. Good old VA screwed up and told me I couldn’t have both the VA scholly and GI Bill when I came back. But they were wrong and I found out that when I started grad school. Sorta glad it happened because I came out of grad school with more money in my savings account than I had before I started.

    I was just picking about the Textile deal…My roommate for part of my last two years back was a Textile Chemistry major from Huntington Beach, CA. His father owned a textile dye company in California so he had two choices at that time, either NC State or Texas Tech which was a “no brainer”. Plus I worked for Sonoco Products for a while so I have some appreciation for the paper industry.

    Were the “hot plates” still on the “banned list”? That was a big “no no” for a while and got worse during the time frame when we had the “pyromaniac” running around starting fires on campus. I can’t ever remember using anything but one of those “water heaters” you’d put in a cup of water to make coffee or soup. Although you could probably cook on the radiators during the winter.

  15. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 4:33 PM #

    TBK….. but you better believe that if this coach starts going down in flames, like a pig to the slaughter, I’ll be back at my TV watching every game.

    You got that right! Some of us are gluttons for punishment. I just wonder if the younger folks will be like this if we don’t give them something to celebrate.

  16. tractor57 09/26/2011 at 4:37 PM #

    In my day hotplates were still banned but in general the RA’s looked the other way until you tripped a breaker. Just before fall semister exams in ’77 my suite (Metcalf) had a big spaghetti dinner using electric frying pans and popcorn poppers to cook the noodles and the sauce. Amazing what engineers and textile chemists could do …

  17. highstick 09/26/2011 at 4:49 PM #

    I never could remember the names of those new dorms near Tucker and Owen. They appeared “overnight” although really it was a little over 5 years while I was gone. Bragaw was in the “middle of nowhere” back then and would have been a “killer walk” for a freshman engineering student with slide rule, drawing equipment and books.

    It was Alexander, Turlington, Owen, Tucker, Harris and “nothing’ until Bragaw. All of that from area where they put the new dorms were parking spaces, believe it or not! No problem parking on campus at all back then, but then most of us didn’t have cars anyway.

  18. ncsu1987 09/26/2011 at 4:54 PM #

    I was a freshman in ’83, the first year (I think) for the new cafeteria over by Bragaw. I lived in Lee, so the place was really convenient. All freshmen who lived in the dorms were required to participate in the meal plan. By the end of the first semester we were calling the place the “shit house” and scheming for ways to eat elsewhere. Hot plates were definitely on the no-no list in the dorms, but that just meant you had to (a) keep them well hidden or (b) invite the RA to dinner.

  19. highstick 09/26/2011 at 4:57 PM #

    Pride, does your Mom ever use the terminology “Yanking Chain’s chain”???

    I think he doesn’t recognize it when I’m doing so at times! I never trusted him again after he told me how good the BBQ was at Troutman’s!!!

  20. old13 09/26/2011 at 4:59 PM #

    Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results with each go, and getting the same.

    Conclusion: We actually are the “Lunatic Fringe!”

    BTW nice article, pride. And I agree! Crazy or no, Wolfpack Nation, DON”T EVER GIVE UP! One day we’ll figure out a way! (And I certainly hope it’s during my lucid lifetime! But time is running out quickly!)

    Highstick, my freshman year was the first ever at State with a women’s dorm on campus. I KNOW of which you speak!! I lived in Bragaw for four years after spending two weeks in Tucker!

    Go Pack!!

  21. NCStatePride 09/26/2011 at 5:02 PM #

    What are you bitching about? Troutman’s is a great place to go eat Q….. if you want to go smoke or something.

    I have a lot of fond memories of being a student, but it really has been a life-long process. I really, really, REALLY want O’Brien to take a hike and just announce that he’ll be retiring after this year. I feel like Gott has some good mojo going on in the RBC and look forward to what he can do and the football program needs to make a move, too.

    Did you guys know that our volleyball team, while I was at NC State, was on something like a 3 year losing streak? They just finished something crazy like a 13-game winning streak which is some kind of school record from a good while back. I know it’s “just volleyball”, but think about it… good things are happening at NC State, and I’m not just talking bass fishing. Yow has done a great job, but the entire community and aura around NC State just makes it that much better. We love a good winning streak. Last season, we experienced a good season on the gridiron and I don’t think settling for mediocrity is going to cut it, now.

  22. vtpackfan 09/26/2011 at 5:05 PM #

    Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? All that’s left is changing the uniforms from saying just STATE and replacing it with COLLEGE

  23. old13 09/26/2011 at 5:08 PM #

    Yeah, pride. Both soccer teams seem to have life as well. And golf is looking very promising.

  24. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 5:12 PM #

    Pride, I heard about that volleyball streak. I was surprised to hear about that because we were so bad for so long. Seems like the last coach was 6-171 in the conference or something ridiculous like that. Debbie Yow has already replaced our basketball coach. If this season ends up bad enough, and it looks like it might, I could imagine her using TOB’s five year results here as a reason to replace him. One solid season out of five, followed by a MAJOR setback. I think we’re in serious danger of winning fewer than five games this season. In TOB’s fifth year, there is no excuse for that.

    Does anyone think there’s a chance TOB survives just because of our 9-4 season last year?

  25. highstick 09/26/2011 at 5:42 PM #

    “Culture Change” was a term I kept using when we were discussing a “dream move” to the SEC and it’s still relevant no matter what happens with expansion.

    “Don’t Ever Give Up” rings loud and true to most of us on this site cause ‘we haven’t”..BUT, there are “thousands who have given up” or were just apathetic and never gave a crap anyway.

    Does the term “apathetic” ring a bell to any of you other State alum? We’re notorious for producing “apathetic students and grads”. Don’t ask me to ‘splain why”, but it’s a fact we’ve all heard before.

    And thus, why does it takes us so long to find our “way out of the wilderness” that we’ve been in for the better part of 30 years. Flashes of brilliance get us all excited at times, but we just don’t be able to keep the candle lit.

    Now back to the “culture change”…and you’ve got to consider those that “control the purse strings” that drives the coaching hires and fires. We’ve have almost no visionary guidance at the top levels(except for a few of those temporary flashes) for years. The “culture” aka “tone at the top” for you accounting and management grads has to change and it’s not going to happen quickly. Blame it on our “technical nature” or whatever, but don’t expect change overnight cause you’re gonna get disappointed.

    Our best strategy is to keep pushing for changes in the status quo, don’t let the “crooked politicians” get back in control, and keep pushing the buttons on those ‘flashes” like Woodson and hopefully Yow.

    Not giving up is just part of the solution. We gotta keep “driving forward” and steamrolling the naysayers!

    “Whomp ’em up, side the head” if they don’t pay attention!

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