Wednesday Woolgathering

August 17, 2011

NC STATE FOOTBALL

CHIP ALEXANDER (N&O)
Wolfpack offense still lagging

N.C. State coach Tom O’Brien gave out some dismal offensive statistics Tuesday after the Wolfpack’s third preseason football scrimmage.

The offense had four passes intercepted and allowed seven sacks. There were 15 tackles for loss by the defense, which limited the offense to 98 rushing yards on 38 carries.

But O’Brien had no sooner read off the stats than he all but dismissed them. He said it was a situational scrimmage and there was a lot of work on end-of-game drives.

Brett Friedlander (WilmingtonStarNews)
Baumann already getting his kicks at N.C. State

N.C. State was in desperate need of a punter and Wil Baumann is as good as they come. But that’s not only the reason the Wilmington native decided to sign with the Wolfpack.

“They’ve got a great computer engineering program, and that’s the major I wanted to go for,” he said.

It didn’t hurt that the starting job was there for the taking the moment he walked onto campus.

Austin Johnson (PackPride)
O’Brien Discusses Third Scrimmage

“I’m not asking [Glennon] to get into [leadership] even though its a function of being a quarterback. The thing he has to do is run the offense and if he runs the offense efficiently that will be leadership for us right now.”

“[Proctor] didn’t do what he was supposed to do as far as being a champion in the classroom and the community so he doesn’t have a chance to play on the football field. Permanently – he will transfer I think he’s going to a junior college somewhere.”

Jacey Zembal (TheWolfpacker.com)
Situational Scrimmages challenges players

The third of four scrimmages tests the players mentally almost as much physically.

NC State coach Tom O’Brien has the players think on the fly, adjust to either trailing or leading in the final minutes of games, and what could bring overtime in certain situations. He said the team goes through six different scenarios and it’s a practice they’ve been using since being at Boston College.

“It’s all three-minute or four-minute situations,” O’Brien said. “It’s all end of the game. There are so many learning things that happen with this on all sides of the football. It’s a great drill for the quarterbacks, and good for the coaches. It’s just good for everybody.

“Three times last year we lost in the last minute of the football game, so that is why we do these things.”

WRAL Video
Tom O’Brien said Glennon’s not a finished product

Following the Pack’s scrimmage Tuesday, Tom O’Brien said they are working through real game situations, but Glennon still working on things.

Sammy Batten (Fayetteville Observer)
Everett Proctor, Jack Britt alum, leaves N.C. State football program

Proctor was the all-region quarterback as a senior in 2008 when he helped Jack Britt reach the state 4-AA championship game. He was recruited to play quarterback at N.C. State, but a shoulder injury that occurred in high school led to surgery and forced him to sit out the 2009 season with the Wolfpack.

The 6-foot-2, 219-pounder shifted to safety upon his return and played in two games during the 2010 season against Western Carolina and Wake Forest. Proctor moved to yet another position last spring, going back to offense to play wide receiver. He did not appear to be headed for significant playing time this season, despite the uncertainty surrounding the N.C. State receiving corps during preseason camp.

NC STATE BASKETBALL

Jacey Zembal (TheWolfpacker.com)
Amile Jefferson impressed by visit to NC State

“I thought it went good,” Jefferson said. “It was great to finally get to meet and interact with the coaches. The players weren’t back on campus yet, but just spending time with Coach Moxley and Coach [Mark] Gottfried. I got to interact with all the coaches and learn more about them.”

The energy of NC State’s new coaching staff impressed Jefferson.

“You can feel that the school and the people around are just yearning for something big to happen,” Jefferson said. “You can feel their passion to bring NC State back to where the fans and the people that know the school and the tradition where it want it to be.”

The NCSU coaches were able to give Jefferson a vision on how his inside-outside scoring skills could be used at forward.

“Coach runs the UCLA offense, so he just showed me the spots where I can be effective on the floor, push the ball and rebound,” Jefferson said. “They run those little plays from the elbow and double screens for guys, and that point forward pick and roll.”

Jefferson was surprised by the feel of the campus in comparison to the colleges he’s seen in Philadelphia.

“I didn’t realize how big the campus was,” Jefferson said. “It was really nice and almost like it’s own little city. That was definitely good to get a better feel for the campus, and just the school in general.”

NC STATE NON-REVENUE

BRETT HONEYCUTT – CORRESPONDENT (N&O)
Wolfpack’s Iyevbele out of blocks fast

While growing up, Kenyetta Iyevbele’s parents encouraged her to get involved in extra-curricular activities.

She chose running, but it wasn’t a big hit with her at first.
“It took a little bit of time,” said Iyevbele, a Nigerian name pronounced Yib-uh-lee. “I wasn’t fond of running. It wasn’t my favorite thing to do. It was sort of like field day. I was kind of having fun.”

UNC FALLOUT

Doc (Tarheelfanblog)
Holy Cow, What a Tuesday

Much to the chagrin of ABCers, the revelation of the car-wreck prong of the UNC tire fire is now lost in the smoking nuclear crater that was the Miami athletic department. And maybe even Gregg Doyel will acknowledge UNC is no longer the turd in the college football punchbowl. But I will say this: Yahoo Sports has become the 21st century sports equivalent of the old adage about 60 Minutes – just like you didn’t want to see 60 Minutes show up at your door in the 80s, you don’t want Yahoo Sports to show up on your campus today. Or as ESPN’s Ryan McGee tweeted, two people you don’t want to see in your town: Jim Cantore and Charles Robinson.

Aaron Schoonmaker (WRALSportsFan)
UNC fans, supporters question coaching change, seek answers

In the weeks since University of North Carolina Chancellor Holden Thorp unexpectedly fired head football coach Butch Davis a week before the start of fall practice, many fans and supporters of the university are still asking ‘why?’

On Tuesday, alumnus E. Vernon F. Glenn became the latest to file a public records request seeking communications between Thorp and the UNC Board of Trustees, President Tom Ross, Director of Athletics Dick Baddour and anyone not employed by the university.

Glenn, a member of the Class of 1972, seeks Thorp’s calendars, schedules and travel records from June 20-July 28 as well as memos, notes, reports, letters, emails and text messages dating back to June 20. It further seeks all communications regarding Davis’ employment standing and NCAA penalties.

“This is something that is on the minds of a lot of us,” Glenn said. “Why? Has he discussed this anywhere where it was documented?”

Request for Thorp’s communications

AP
Davis’ Abrupt Dismissal Leads To Tension At UNC

North Carolina’s firing of Butch Davis just before preseason camp has divided football fans, faculty members and alumni here.

For some, Davis’ dismissal amid an NCAA investigation into improper benefits and academic misconduct should’ve happened long ago. Others say Davis should’ve stayed because he wasn’t tied to a violation and worry the move could set the program back years.

It’s created yet another distraction for the Tar Heels this fall.

“I’m sure people are mad because we were pretty mad,” linebacker Kevin Reddick said. “You can’t sit there and worry about what happened even though we were sad at the time. Now we’ve got to move on and try to make ourselves better each day in practice. That’s how we’ve got to look at it because we’ve still got to win games.”

Lewis Margolis (Inside Higher Ed)
Drop the Ball

In the face of a growing tsunami of moral and legal failings by National Collegiate Athletic Association Division I football and basketball programs, more than 50 university presidents recently concluded a retreat to discuss strategies to attempt to gain control over the athletic behemoth. Here’s a suggestion that would put an end to the scandals: abolish Division I football and basketball altogether, because they are hopelessly and irreparably corrupted by billion dollar television contracts and multimillion-dollar endorsement deals.

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill — bemoaning the loss of its 50-year run of virtuous, intercollegiate sports management — is just the latest to join the cohort of universities enmeshed in athletic scandals. For the past year UNC has been dealing with players who accepted financial benefits from supporters and agents, a former coach who allegedly received compensation from an agent, and a tutor who provided impermissible services, just to name a few of its failings, and is now furiously preparing its response to a 42-page Notice of Allegations from the NCAA. In the midst of fund-raising for the $70 million expansion of its football stadium, the UNC development office and marketing department are surely paying their staffs overtime to assure donors that they are not wasting their money.

OldMacDonald (StateFansNation)
Accident report prong?

MIAMI FALLOUT

Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players

A University of Miami booster, incarcerated for his role in a $930 million Ponzi scheme, has told Yahoo! Sports he provided thousands of impermissible benefits to at least 72 athletes from 2002 through 2010.

In 100 hours of jailhouse interviews during Yahoo! Sports’ 11-month investigation, Hurricanes booster Nevin Shapiro described a sustained, eight-year run of rampant NCAA rule-breaking, some of it with the knowledge or direct participation of at least seven coaches from the Miami football and basketball programs. At a cost that Shapiro estimates in the millions of dollars, he said his benefits to athletes included but were not limited to cash, prostitutes, entertainment in his multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and, on one occasion, an abortion.

Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Why Miami is in trouble

Nevin Shapiro says he was drunk, humiliated and belligerent.

It was Miami’s final home game ever at the Orange Bowl, Nov. 10, 2007. The halftime scoreboard read Virginia 31-0 (en route to a 48-0 embarrassment). Everything Shapiro held dear about the Hurricanes was being stomped on.

As a major booster to the program Shapiro had access to the Orange Bowl press box and that’s where he spotted David Reed, the school’s associate athletic director for compliance. Shapiro felt Reed had been implementing rules that were too stringent, trying to keep boosters and players apart.

To Shapiro, the results of Reed’s efforts were manifesting themselves on the field. A once-powerful program was a competitive disgrace.

Miami investigation allegations
Current or former Miami athletes
Football

• Ray-Ray Armstrong
• Jon Beason
• Travis Benjamin
• Arthur Brown
• James Bryant
• Calais Campbell
• Vernon Carey
• Howard Clark
• Graig Cooper
• Antonio Dixon
• Dyron Dye
• Dedrick Epps
• Kayne Farquharson
• Marcus Forston
• Orlando Franklin
• Vegas Franklin
• Jason Geathers
• Tavares Gooden
• Frank Gore
• Cornelius Green
• Gavin Hardin
• Courtney Harris
• Jacory Harris
• Orien Harris
• Devin Hester
• Aldarius Johnson
• Andre Johnson
• Andrew Johnson
• Charlie Jones
• Carlos Joseph
• William Joseph
• Robert Marve
• Marcus Maxey
• Colin McCarthy
• Jerome McDougle
• Willis McGahee
• Rocky McIntosh
• Eric Moncur
• Brian Monroe
• Tyrone Moss
• Javon Nanton
• JoJo Nicolas
• Adewale Ojomo
• Bryan Pata
• Kenny Phillips
• Randy Phillips
• Anthony Reddick
• Marcus Robinson
• Antrel Rolle
• Darryl Sharpton
• Sam Shields
• Sean Spence
• Sean Taylor
• Vaughn Telemaque
• Santonio Thomas
• Olivier Vernon
• Jonathan Vilma
• Carl Walker
• Vince Wilfork
• Andrew Williams
• D.J. Williams
• Leon Williams
• Willie Williams
• Kellen Winslow Jr.
• Reggie Youngblood

Basketball
• DeQuan Jones

Athletes from other schools
• Bryce Brown
• Orson Charles
• Andre Debose
• Jeffrey Godfrey
• Matt Patchan
• Benard Thomas
• Worrell Williams

Current or former Miami Coaches/Staffers
Football

• Sean Allen
• Aubrey Hill
• Clint Hurtt
• Joe Pannunzio
• Jeff Stoutland
• Ralph Nogueras
• Joey Corey

Basketball
• Frank Haith
• Jake Morton
• Jorge Fernandez

TIM REYNOLDS – ASSOCIATED PRESS
Report: Miami players got gifts

Nevin Shapiro, a former Miami booster who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for masterminding a $930 mil-
lion Ponzi scheme, has told Yahoo! Sports he provided impermissible benefits to 72 of the university’s football players and other athletes between 2002 and 2010.

Shapiro said he gave money, cars, yacht trips, jewelry, televisions and other gifts to a list of players including Vince Wilfork, Jon Beason, Antrel Rolle, Devin Hester, Willis McGahee and the late Sean Taylor.

Shapiro also claimed he paid for nightclub outings, sex parties, restaurant meals and in one case, an abortion for a woman impregnated by a player. One former Miami player, running back Tyrone Moss, told Yahoo! Sports he accepted $1,000 from Shapiro around the time he was entering college.

“Hell yeah, I recruited a lot of kids for Miami,” Shapiro told Yahoo! Sports. “With access to the clubs, access to the strip joints. My house. My boat. We’re talking about high school football players. Not anybody can just get into the clubs or strip joints. Who is going to pay for it and make it happen? That was me.”

AP
Attorney: NCAA Probing If Hurricanes Got Gifts

NCAA investigators visited the University of Miami campus Monday looking into claims that more than a dozen former or current football players received gifts and services from convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro, his attorney said.

Shapiro has told the NCAA he provided players with the use of a yacht and other favors, said his attorney, Maria Elena Perez. Shapiro and Perez have been talking with the NCAA about the matter for a couple of months and provided documentation, she said.

AP
As NCAA Probes, Miami Coach Says Mistakes Made

Miami Hurricanes coach Al Golden says some of his player may have made mistakes that prompted an NCAA investigation into convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro’s role with the program.

Golden, preparing for his first season with the Hurricanes, said he just became aware of the investigation into allegations that Shapiro gave more than a dozen former or current players gifts and services.

“We’re not going to let this knock us backward,” Golden said Tuesday before a morning practice. “We have great kids on this team to the extent that they may have made a mistake. OK, that’s fine. But that’s also part of growing up. What we have to teach them now is if something did occur, let’s be honest and move forward.”

Jim Young (ACCSportsJournal)
Initial Thoughts On The Miami/Nevin Shapiro Story

If I’m Al Golden I Am Furious

If Al Golden is being completely truthful that he “just found out” about the Shapiro allegations and the NCAA investigation into them well then, I’m stunned. And I feel horribly for him.

(And yes, it goes without saying I feel badly for the current players who didn’t break any NCAA rules and who would likely feel the pain of any potential penalties.)

I’m also left wondering how former Miami AD Kirby Hocutt (he’s now the AD at Texas Tech) could have possibly refrained from sharing this little nugget of info with Golden when Hocutt was interviewing him for the head coaching position.

Akula Wolf (BackingthePack)
That’s Gonna Leave A Mark

Charles Robinson had been teasing a huge story for a while, and somehow this thing managed to go way beyond all expectations. Here are some choice excerpts, but the whole article is worth a read. Nevin Shapiro provided an astounding variety of improper benefits to Miami recruits and players. (If you were wondering, the improprieties began a year after Butch Davis left Coral Gables.)

ESPN Video: The claims against Miami

ESPN Video: Former Miami booster speaks

Ivan Maisel (ESPN)
3-point stance: Miami in deep trouble

1. Miami football is in deep trouble. The story posted Tuesday by Yahoo! investigative reporter Charles Robinson is remarkable for the depth of the reporting and the time invested in learning and corroborating the story of jailed former Hurricane booster Nevin Shapiro. He claims to have given money to Miami players and paid for jewelry, clothing, boat trips, prostitutes — you name it. And he claimed that some coaches knew of the benefits he provided. Yahoo! reports that former Miami players confirmed many of the allegations. I repeat: Miami is in deep trouble.

Mike DeCourcy (The Sporting News)
Miami mess a ‘strict’ failure of leadership

Paul Dee was speaking to reporters on a conference call two years ago almost to the day when he uttered the phrase “strict liability.”

To the few paying close attention to the Memphis basketball infractions case who hadn’t already made up their minds on account of John Calipari’s proximity, that term came as a bit of a jolt.

Essentially, Memphis had the greatest season in its history wiped from the record because the Tigers used a player, Derrick Rose, the NCAA clearinghouse had ruled academically eligible. This seemed odd on the face of it. Memphis president Shirley Raines argued the university had followed guidance provided by the NCAA, but Dee and his committee determined that approval had been in error because the Educational Testing Service invalidated Rose’s SAT score—following the conclusion of his freshman season. “Strict liability,” he said.

Seems almost quaint now, doesn’t it? If placed into the middle of the mess allegedly transpiring with the Miami Hurricanes during Dee’s final years as athletics director at The U, Rose’s situation wouldn’t merit mention. Not salacious enough. Not sleazy enough.

Matt Hayes (The Sporting News )
What the alleged Miami scandal means for current players and coaches

What it means for … Current players named in the report: There are numerous players alleged to have accepted improper benefits from Shapiro. Among the group: Miami QB Jacory Harris and LB Sean Spence; Georgia TE Orson Charles, K-State RB Bryce Brown and LB Arthur Brown and UCF QB Jeff Godfrey.

Miami and other schools with implicated players will have to choose between holding out affected players, or playing them and facing ramifications if they are declared ineligible by the NCAA.

CONFERENCE EXPANSION

RALPHD.RUSSO (AP)
Big East commish reaches out to ACC’s John Swofford

“As stewards of our respective conferences and leaders in the world of higher education and intercollegiate athletics, I believe we can and must be mindful everyone’s best interests and be constructive and not destructive,” Marinatto said. “But we all realize we are competitive and we have different constituencies to serve.

“My primary concern is more global. We need to restore confidence and integrity into the collegiate model and that can only be done if and when we as leaders work together in a constructive manner.”

Joe Ovies
SEC won’t be poaching in North Carolina

When word got out that the SEC had a gentleman’s agreement not expand into existing markets, the state of North Carolina suddenly became prime territory. Could the conference poach the Tar Heels and Blue Devils, which would allow the SEC to snag highly valued brands? Would NC State get a call?

It’s an entertaining mental exercise, but that’s about it. Nothing more, nothing less. Even the Wolfpack, the most intriguing possibility of the trio, isn’t going to ditch a conference it helped build. And the state politics? Yeah, let’s not get into that.

But that won’t stop a subset of NC State fans from wanting to jump ship. Part of the mentality stems from their lack of confidence in commissioner John Swofford. The other stems from their constant quest to one-up their rivals in Chapel Hill. It can be argued both are intertwined. The hardcore believe Swofford is only interested in propping up the North Carolina and Duke rivalry at the expense of everyone else in the ACC. This would be the Wolfpack’s chance to break away and no longer be buried by shades of blue.

About 1.21 Jigawatts

Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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52 Responses to Wednesday Woolgathering

  1. Hungwolf 08/17/2011 at 1:11 PM #

    When they show the associate head coach at Miami wss on an agents payroll, then I will say it is as bad as UNC-Cheat. Booster giving cash and gifts is nothing new. Proof that a coach was on an agent’s payroll is first of its kind.

    One can only wonder if Butch were investigated that you could find money going to him also. Am I the only one that noticed that once the agent money was cut off, that Butch seeminly could not afford to send his kid to UNX, so he was getting him a free ride by scholarship?

  2. JSRy2k 08/17/2011 at 1:18 PM #

    @Admin:
    I love the news run, but it makes for such random conversation that I rarely read the comments. It feels easier to engage when there’s one story with one general topic and comments.

  3. nav 08/17/2011 at 1:36 PM #

    ^Agreed JSR. Too many topics to keep comments organized. I was thinking that when I was reading today’s blog.

    I suppose that’s what the forums are for.

  4. TheAliasTroll 08/17/2011 at 1:41 PM #

    [QUOTE]I suspect Mario Williams and Rivers were offered illegal benefits. I suspect they took some. I don’t know any of that for sure, but you are a fool if you don’t think they were offered and naive if you don’t think they accepted some.[/QUOTE]

    I highly highly doubt Rivers was offered illegal benefits, much less took them. The guy doesn’t even cuss. Also, weren’t we the only school even recruiting him as a QB?

  5. Greywolf 08/17/2011 at 1:49 PM #

    UNX has a long history of using prostitutes (escorts) in recruiting. It was called the Sweet Carolines.

  6. Greywolf 08/17/2011 at 1:50 PM #

    The difference in UNX and Miami is one guy in Miami is blowing the whistle. Nobody at UNX is blowing the whistle. Well, maybe a tutor or 2.

  7. TruthBKnown Returns 08/17/2011 at 2:02 PM #

    packplantpath, what you’re talking about is still just illegal benefits to X number of players at Carolina and Y number of players at Miami.

    I’m saying Miami’s scandal is only worse in that Y is greater than X (assuming the allegations are true, and I’m not arguing that they aren’t).

    What I’m saying is that Carolina ALSO has:
    A = Number of coaches working as agent runners
    B = Number of players cheating
    C = Number of accidents covered up by campus law enforcement
    D = Number of incidents reported to compliance but not investigated
    E = Number of license plates switched on cars driven by players

    At Carolina, A, B, C, D, and E are all greater than zero. At Miami, none of these categories is alleged, as far as I know. That’s what I’m talking about. Carolina has a greater VARIETY of rules broken. Miami basically has players accepting benefits.

    And I also contend that the number is so large at Miami mainly because the “bean spiller” has information dating back to 2001. Carolina’s scandal goes back to roughly 2008, so we may even be comparing apples to oranges when we look at the numbers of players receiving impermissible benefits.

  8. 1.21 Jigawatts 08/17/2011 at 2:03 PM #

    “I love the news run, but it makes for such random conversation that I rarely read the comments. It feels easier to engage when there’s one story with one general topic and comments.”

    Normally the day isn’t this fully with such a big story. Could the Miami scandal have warranted it’s own entry. Yes. In the future I’ll try and do something seperate if there’s time (remember this all takes time to pull together) but this is a type of web run with an open forum to discuss whatever is reported. As nav pointed out, if there’s something specific you’d like to discuss that’s not being talked about because a topic is dominating the discussion, then please visit the forums to see if others are already discussing it and if not then start a new one and people will surely join in. It’s the best I can do.

  9. TruthBKnown Returns 08/17/2011 at 2:06 PM #

    TBKR, I may be mistaken, but I believe I have read that if there is a track record of wrong-doing, the NCAA can extend the statute of limitations beyond the 4 years. So this 8+ year stretch, if validated, could well be used against Miami.

    OK, that sounds reasonable.

    But we still have a glaring lack of information about Carolina in the years 2001-2007, whereas we DO have allegations against Miami in that time period. I’m questioning if anyone even looked further back than 2008 (or 2007?) at Carolina. It seems their scandal is believed to have began with the arrival of Butch. But did it.

    What I’m getting at is if someone wants to compare the two, it’s apples to oranges if we look at 2001-2011 at Miami, but only 2008-2011 at Carolina. Problem is, we just don’t KNOW anything about Carolina in that earlier time period.

  10. packplantpath 08/17/2011 at 2:08 PM #

    “I highly highly doubt Rivers was offered illegal benefits, much less took them. The guy doesn’t even cuss. Also, weren’t we the only school even recruiting him as a QB?”

    Benefits are not just as recruits. You think he wasn’t offered agent benefits his last season here? You may be right and he didn’t take them, I can’t say. But I guarantee they were there for the taking.

    It is certainly possible Chuck had compliance so tight nothing got through, but I doubt it. I do know he wasn’t driving fancy cars though. I remember seeing Rivers driving around campus, and it wasn’t a BMW.

  11. TruthBKnown Returns 08/17/2011 at 2:08 PM #

    When they show the associate head coach at Miami wss on an agents payroll, then I will say it is as bad as UNC-Cheat. Booster giving cash and gifts is nothing new. Proof that a coach was on an agent’s payroll is first of its kind.

    HungWolf, that’s what I’m getting at here. Miami just had the same old impermissible benefits stuff going on for a long time. But Carolina had a lot of OTHER ugly, corrupt things going on besides that.

  12. Greywolf 08/17/2011 at 2:41 PM #

    packplantpath Says: “You may be right and he (Rivers) didn’t take them, I can’t say. But I guarantee they were there for the taking.”

    May I ask why you are pressing so hard to have one of the straightest, most clean cut athletes ever to play D-1 sports, fall under suspicion? Would you accuse your wife of cheating because there were men at a meeting she attended who would have taken advantage of her special goodies if given the chance? I guarantee they were there for the taking if she wanted it.

    I also “guarantee” there are UNX boosters monitoring these boards for anything they can use. I can see it now, “State booster gurantees Philip Rivers was around agents who offered illegal incentives.”

    I’m not going to validate your “guarantee” by asking ‘how the hell can you do that.’

    The news about the Pack makes one wonder who paid for the bus to visit the Wounded Warriors. Let’s keep it that way.

  13. blpack 08/17/2011 at 2:56 PM #

    UM’s seems worse just because it makes your skin crawl, based on what we know today. UNC-ch has covered up and drawn out this whole thing. Until someone ‘spills the beans’ we are waiting for that one more bomb shell to send the holes program back to stone age. I guess our games with the Cheats and the U will not be televised next year. So be it.

  14. 61Packer 08/17/2011 at 3:09 PM #

    UNC and Missouri may be the only schools who benefit from the mess in Coral Gables.

    UNC will at least temporary be off Page One with the Hurricanes hogging the news right now.

    Missouri has an unexpected chance to correct a big mistake by getting rid of Haith, one of the worst coaches I’ve ever seen in the ACC, period. If I were them, I’d move fast on this one.

    All other ACC schools are losers here. The league’s image takes another hit, in football again, but even if the ‘Canes get SMUed, Swafford and his ilk will continue to push for more league expansion. They will not stop their quest for football greatness no matter what.

    Let’s go after basketball next. Why don’t we go after UCon, Memphis and Kentucky?

  15. Wulfpack 08/17/2011 at 3:14 PM #

    This is just the tip of the iceberg with Miami. This just came out. Give the NCAA some time to dig around and you’ll see a ton more. It’s astonishing, really. That’s a whole team receiving benefits.

  16. Wulfpack 08/17/2011 at 3:24 PM #

    Paying for an abortion for the woman impregnated by a football player…

    Wow. That’s a new one. I’ll take the tv, please.

  17. Packfan28 08/17/2011 at 3:42 PM #

    Wulfpack, this may have just come out publicly, but apparently the NCAA have been investigating this for the past 5 months. It just took some good reporting by those Yahoo sports guys to bring it into the sunlight.

  18. TruthBKnown Returns 08/17/2011 at 3:55 PM #

    Wulfpack, this just came out (to all of us). But the NCAA has been investigating Miami for the last five months.

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/college_football/story/10009347

  19. Staffinfection 08/17/2011 at 4:19 PM #

    Hello again Statefans. It’s been a while. Last time I posted, my Username was Staffworker (couldn’t remember my PW this time). That was back during the BB coaching debacle (see Sid). For you long time PIs here, I confirmed Calamari’s visit to Raleigh and the RBC… THAT VERY NIGHT. Trying to keep it short, let’s just say I am closely affiliated with the Centennial Authority. Question: Do any of you really think the Cheater Hill Posse’ was in MIAMI by a party only coincidence? Answer: No! My “Inside the U” source tells me that the NCAA has known about these infractions for almost a year now. It reallty heated up about 5 months ago and there may be as many as SIX ACC teams with players that can be linked in some way to this Shapiro investigation. Yet another reason (prong) the UNC scandal has played out so long. I will leave you with this… All TRUE State fans should thank there lucky stars that TOB is at the helm of our ship. (Think about all the players that are no longer associated with WPFB and no true reason was given other than “Joe Bag-O-Doughnuts did not live up to….). Oh, and Frank Haith. Absolutely left because of this issue. However, the contract he signed with MO can and will be disolved if he left the “U” with NCAA violations.

  20. tuckerdorm1983 08/17/2011 at 5:17 PM #

    Butch just brought the Miami taint to Chapel Hill. He learned how best to get in the big time players and keep them. His secret: Money and more of it. Look the other way at all times.
    Those that hired him as coach at UNC should have known better than to bring such a person to such a fine University (and I mean it, UNC Chapel Hill is a great school, its the fans and the Athletics I despise). Those that agreed to hire him are really the ones to blame in the whole mess. Make a decision in haste and repent in leisure.
    They are going to have a lot of leisure time to regret this as the Kenan Stadium is at best half full for most games.

  21. Wulfpack 08/17/2011 at 5:23 PM #

    The reporter that broke the story has said Butch was not involved in this particular situation. It all started under Coker’s tenure. He also insinuated this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as the NCAA is concerned. He has very detailed evidence. Miami is going down big time.

  22. Hungwolf 08/17/2011 at 5:57 PM #

    Wonder what all would be uncovered at UNC-CHeat if ANY local reporter put much effort at all into to the UNC-Cheat scandal. The local media should be ashamed at the effort put into to Miami story by the Yahoo guy vs the lack of effort they have shown towards the UNC-CHeat scandal. No follow up on the cars that got the tickets with connections to a felon, covered up DUIs and underage drinking of players by Butch’s personal policeman, no one pushing Butch for his phone records, in what way was tutors getting to close to players (sex?), etc. We would be reading the same thing about Chapel Hill as Miami if any reporter in this state was unbiased and worth a damn!

  23. Wulfpack 08/17/2011 at 6:31 PM #

    The guy who brke the Miami story has also been working on the UNC scandal. Heard him on the radio today and he said its been tough budgeting his time and trying to keep everything from leaking out. He’s been on the Miami story for quite a while (2 years, I think). Not sure how long on the UNC one. I agree the local media for the most part has been asleep at the wheel. The reporter is with Yahoo Sports.

  24. gcpack 08/17/2011 at 8:02 PM #

    I am loving recruit Jefferson’s comments on our AD and Chancellor. How important it is to have people in these positions that appeal to the young people who are considering coming to State. And even more impressive is it that our chancellor is taking time to meet with these student athletes who have NCState on their radar.

    Our chancellor is such an asset and what a leader when it comes to public persona. Heads and heels over the chem prof who seems so out of place when attempting to speak forcefully and in command yet failing to inspire.

    We have the opportunity to jump ahead of those sophists west of us.

  25. howlie 08/17/2011 at 8:31 PM #

    TruthBKnown… your 1st post on page 1 is awesome… right on target.

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